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Old 08-14-2010, 12:14 PM   #1
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The stunning decline of Barack Obama!

Nile Gardiner is a Washington-based foreign affairs analyst and political commentator. He appears frequently on American and British television and radio, including Fox News Channel, CNN, BBC, Sky News, and NPR.

The stunning decline of Barack Obama: 10 key reasons why the Obama presidency is in meltdown.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ni...s-in-meltdown/

Can it get any worse for President Obama? Undoubtedly yes. Here are 10 key reasons why the Obama presidency is in serious trouble, and why its prospects are unlikely to improve between now and the November mid-terms.

1. The Obama presidency is out of touch with the American people

In a previous post I noted how the Obama presidency increasingly resembles a modern-day Ancien Régime, extravagant, decaying and out of touch with ordinary Americans. The First Lady?s ill-conceived trip to Spain at a time of widespread economic hardship was symbolic of a White House that barely gives a second thought to public opinion on many issues, and frequently projects a distinctly elitist image. The ?let them eat cake? approach didn?t play well over two centuries ago, and it won?t succeed today.

2. Most Americans don?t have confidence in the president?s leadership

This deficit of trust in Obama?s leadership is central to his decline. According to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll, ?nearly six in ten voters say they lack faith in the president to make the right decisions for the country?, and two thirds ?say they are disillusioned with or angry about the way the federal government is working.? The poll showed that a staggering 58 per cent of Americans say they do not have confidence in the president?s decision-making, with just 42 per cent saying they do.

3. Obama fails to inspire

In contrast to the soaring rhetoric of his 2004 Convention speech in Boston which succeeded in impressing millions of television viewers at the time, America is no longer inspired by Barack Obama?s flat, monotonous and often dull presidential speeches and statements delivered via teleprompter. From his extraordinarily uninspiring Afghanistan speech at West Point to his flat State of the Union address, President Obama has failed to touch the heart of America. Even Jimmy Carter was more moving.

4. The United States is drowning in debt

The Congressional Budget Office Long-Term Budget Outlook offers a frightening picture of the scale of America?s national debt. Under its alternative fiscal scenario, the CBO projects that US debt could rise to 87 percent of GDP by 2020, 109 percent by 2025, and 185 percent in 2035. While much of Europe, led by Britain and Germany, are aggressively cutting their deficits, the Obama administration is actively growing America?s debt, and has no plan in place to avert a looming Greek-style financial crisis.

5. Obama?s Big Government message is falling flat

The relentless emphasis on bailouts and stimulus spending has done little to spur economic growth or create jobs, but has greatly advanced the power of the federal government in America. This is not an approach that is proving popular with the American public, and even most European governments have long ditched this tax and spend approach to saving their own economies.

6. Obama?s support for socialised health care is a huge political mistake

In an extraordinary act of political Harakiri, President Obama leant his full support to the hugely controversial, unpopular and divisive health care reform bill, with a monstrous price tag of $940 billion, whose repeal is now supported by 55 per cent of likely US voters. As I wrote at the time of its passing, the legislation is ?a great leap forward by the United States towards a European-style vision of universal health care, which will only lead to soaring costs, higher taxes, and a surge in red tape for small businesses. This reckless legislation dramatically expands the power of the state over the lives of individuals, and could not be further from the vision of America?s founding fathers.?

7. Obama?s handling of the Gulf oil spill has been weak-kneed and indecisive

While much of the spilled oil in the Gulf has now been thankfully cleared up, the political damage for the White House will be long-lasting. Instead of showing real leadership on the matter by acing decisively and drawing upon offers of international support, the Obama administration settled on a more convenient strategy of relentlessly bashing an Anglo-American company while largely sitting on its hands. Significantly, a poll of Louisiana voters gave George W. Bush higher marks for his handling of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, with 62 percent disapproving of Obama?s performance on the Gulf oil spill.

8. US foreign policy is an embarrassing mess under the Obama administration

It is hard to think of a single foreign policy success for the Obama administration, but there have been plenty of missteps which have weakened American global power as well as the standing of the United States. The surrender to Moscow on Third Site missile defence, the failure to aggressively stand up to Iran?s nuclear programme, the decision to side with ousted Marxists in Honduras, the slap in the face for Great Britain over the Falklands, have all contributed to the image of a US administration completely out of its depth in international affairs. The Obama administration?s high risk strategy of appeasing America?s enemies while kicking traditional US allies has only succeeded in weakening the United States while strengthening her adversaries.

9. President Obama is muddled and confused on national security

From the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to the War on Terror, President Obama?s leadership has often been muddled and confused. On Afghanistan he rightly sent tens of thousands of additional troops to the battlefield. At the same time however he bizarrely announced a timetable for the withdrawal of US forces beginning in July 2011, handing the initiative to the Taliban. On Iraq he has announced an end to combat operations and the withdrawal of all but 50,000 troops despite a recent upsurge in terrorist violence and political instability, and without the Iraqi military and police ready to take over. In addition he has ditched the concept of a War on Terror, replacing it with an Overseas Contingency Operation, hardly the right message to send in the midst of a long-war against Al-Qaeda.

10. Obama doesn?t believe in American greatness

Barack Obama has made it clear that he doesn?t believe in American exceptionalism, and has made apologising for his country into an art form. In a speech to the United Nations last September he stated that ?no one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed. No balance of power among nations will hold.? It is difficult to see how a US president who holds these views and does not even accept America?s greatness in history can actually lead the world?s only superpower with force and conviction.
There is a distinctly Titanic-like feel to the Obama presidency and it?s not hard to see why. The most left-wing president in modern American history has tried to force a highly interventionist, government-driven agenda that runs counter to the principles of free enterprise, individual freedom, and limited government that have made the United States the greatest power in the world, and the freest nation on earth. This, combined with weak leadership both at home and abroad against the backdrop of tremendous economic uncertainty in an increasingly dangerous world, has contributed to a spectacular political collapse for a president once thought to be invincible. America at its core remains a deeply conservative nation, which cherishes its traditions and founding principles. President Obama is increasingly out of step with the American people, by advancing policies that undermine the United States as a global power, while undercutting America?s deep-seated love for freedom.

Here's the pitch. There's the drive. It could be, he hit it. Going, goin' goin', gone. And there it is folks, a home run drive by Nile Gardiner for the lead.
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Sorry Gouge, it's all Bush's fault... ERRR I mean it's Fear mongering...ERRR I mean everyone that dislikes Obama is racist..Errr I mean Obama is totally picking this country back up and NOT fucking it up hardcore! I tell myself this every night so I can sleep better
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Sorry Gouge, it's all Bush's fault... ERRR I mean it's Fear mongering...ERRR I mean everyone that dislikes Obama is racist..Errr I mean Obama is totally picking this country back up and NOT fucking it up hardcore! I tell myself this every night so I can sleep better
I'm already envisioning you cowering and shivering beneath your sheets... trembling at the thought of the black man and his boot on your neck.
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I'm already envisioning you cowering and shivering beneath your sheets... trembling at the thought of the black man and his boot on your neck.
You're envisioning me in bed? That's a little personal. I realize you can't get the opposite sex to possibly give you the time of day but that doesn't mean you have to go to the other end of the spectrum
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You're envisioning me in bed? That's a little personal. I realize you can't get the opposite sex to possibly give you the time of day but that doesn't mean you have to go to the other end of the spectrum
Sure D. I'd bang you in the ass. Sounds like you're offering it up to me.
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Sure D. I'd bang you in the ass. Sounds like you're offering it up to me.
Sorry bro, I just don't see you being the "man" in any heterosexual/homosexual relationship.
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He is falling flat to the American people. He has two years to turn it around but people arent buying bigger government is better government.We just got done 8 years of the biggest expansion of government in a long while. It was a total disaster. Obama promised changed and all we saw was government expanding more. To be honest I dont think that is what the American people had in mind when they were thinking change.
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Sorry bro, I just don't see you being the "man" in any heterosexual/homosexual relationship.
So now you're saying you wanna bang ME in the ass? What are you, some kind homo?
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"Nile Gardiner is a British conservative commentator, and director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at right-wing think tank"

As impartial as they come...
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As impartial as they come...
Oh you're right Slappin Fish, because if it said left wing think tank, that would be impartial. ROFL
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Oh you're right Slappin Fish, because if it said left wing think tank, that would be impartial. ROFL
Would have been equally ridiculous, but did someone post anything written by a left wing think tank? I must have missed it.
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few questions

Do you trust the government? Because if you don't, then more government would be a bad thing.

Debt has gone up 25% in 18 months, do you believe that's going to help us in the long run, or any run for that matter?

Do you like it when an elected President doesn't take responsibility for his actions? Or is it Bush's fault? If that's the case, wouldn't you rather have a president that boasted his accomplishments rather blame others for the fuckups?
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Old 08-14-2010, 12:39 PM   #15
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"Nile Gardiner is a British conservative commentator, and director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at right-wing think tank"

As impartial as they come...
You mean CNN, BBC, Sky News, and NPR had a conservative commentator as a contributor...gasp.

Anyway, even left-wing critics of Barry are under attack by the administration.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/rich...-critics-obama
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few questions

Do you trust the government? Because if you don't, then more government would be a bad thing.
Nope. Not in the least.

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Debt has gone up 25% in 18 months, do you believe that's going to help us in the long run, or any run for that matter?
Nope. And I also don't believe it's ever going to be paid back, by any President.

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Or is it Bush's fault?
Lots of things are his fault.

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If that's the case, wouldn't you rather have a president that boasted his accomplishments rather blame others for the fuckups?
I'd rather have no President.
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He is falling flat to the American people. He has two years to turn it around but people arent buying bigger government is better government.We just got done 8 years of the biggest expansion of government in a long while. It was a total disaster. Obama promised changed and all we saw was government expanding more. To be honest I dont think that is what the American people had in mind when they were thinking change.
The only way he was going to turn America around in the first two years would have been to cut military spending by 50-75%. Then take that money, and put it into a huge public works projects across America.

In case Republicans haven't noticed. Our OWN infrastructure is crumbling. We may want to pay attention to OUR roads, bridges, schools, among other thing things before we are off 'nation building' across the globe.
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You mean CNN, BBC, Sky News, and NPR had a conservative commentator as a contributor...gasp.

Anyway, even left-wing critics of Barry are under attack by the administration.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/rich...-critics-obama
He is a guest speaker :

"...known for his outspoken and partisan positions"

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The foundation took a leading role in the conservative movement during the presidency of Ronald Reagan... since continued to have a significant influence in U.S. public policy making, and is considered to be one of the most influential conservative research organizations in the United States.
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I think I can see the spike on the day he was on "The View"
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I'm already envisioning you cowering and shivering beneath your sheets... trembling at the thought of the black man and his boot on your neck.
that's really what this whole this about isn't? no one can point out obama's flaws or they are racist. I think obama's only vision was being a black president. he had no vision for the country, and it shows

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I think I can see the spike on the day he was on "The View"
Did you know they had no audience for that show and used a laugh track, and all the questions where prearranged by the white house so he was not hit with any surprises.

I mean come on, its hard to talk in complete sentences with out the teleprompter...then again he cant go more than 4 words with out saying Uhhh...Uhhh...Uhhh!
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that's really what this whole this about isn't? no one can point out obama's flaws or they are racist. I think obama's only vision was being a black president. he had no vision for the country, and it shows
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The simple reality is that the people will buy anything you sell them. To say that the people don't believe his big government rhetoric might not be 100% on point. If the economy was doing well, many people would be buying into his big government message right now. But since many people are still out of work and the economy is sagging they aren't believing in him.

To me his #1 mistake was taking his eye off the ball that is the economy. Right now if we had 3-4% unemployment and the economy was doing well, he could do just about anything he wanted and his approval ratings would be up. Instead, he and the democrats realized that right now they had a rare chance to finally push through all the dream programs they have lusted after over the last 30 years. They finally had the people in place to do it and so they pushed those through instead of focusing on doing things that would reduce spending and help get the economy rolling again.

There will be a lot of democrats who will pay for that in November. The big Obama question is: can he turn it around in the next two years?
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Did you know they had no audience for that show and used a laugh track, and all the questions where prearranged by the white house so he was not hit with any surprises.

I mean come on, its hard to talk in complete sentences with out the teleprompter...then again he cant go more than 4 words with out saying Uhhh...Uhhh...Uhhh!


you can go dizzy watching him give a speech , looking left and right and never at the screen
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Nile Gardiner is a Washington-based foreign affairs analyst and political commentator. He appears frequently on American and British television and radio, including Fox News Channel, CNN, BBC, Sky News, and NPR.

The stunning decline of Barack Obama: 10 key reasons why the Obama presidency is in meltdown.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ni...s-in-meltdown/

Can it get any worse for President Obama? Undoubtedly yes. Here are 10 key reasons why the Obama presidency is in serious trouble, and why its prospects are unlikely to improve between now and the November mid-terms.

1. The Obama presidency is out of touch with the American people

In a previous post I noted how the Obama presidency increasingly resembles a modern-day Ancien Régime, extravagant, decaying and out of touch with ordinary Americans. The First Lady?s ill-conceived trip to Spain at a time of widespread economic hardship was symbolic of a White House that barely gives a second thought to public opinion on many issues, and frequently projects a distinctly elitist image. The ?let them eat cake? approach didn?t play well over two centuries ago, and it won?t succeed today.

2. Most Americans don?t have confidence in the president?s leadership

This deficit of trust in Obama?s leadership is central to his decline. According to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll, ?nearly six in ten voters say they lack faith in the president to make the right decisions for the country?, and two thirds ?say they are disillusioned with or angry about the way the federal government is working.? The poll showed that a staggering 58 per cent of Americans say they do not have confidence in the president?s decision-making, with just 42 per cent saying they do.

3. Obama fails to inspire

In contrast to the soaring rhetoric of his 2004 Convention speech in Boston which succeeded in impressing millions of television viewers at the time, America is no longer inspired by Barack Obama?s flat, monotonous and often dull presidential speeches and statements delivered via teleprompter. From his extraordinarily uninspiring Afghanistan speech at West Point to his flat State of the Union address, President Obama has failed to touch the heart of America. Even Jimmy Carter was more moving.

4. The United States is drowning in debt

The Congressional Budget Office Long-Term Budget Outlook offers a frightening picture of the scale of America?s national debt. Under its alternative fiscal scenario, the CBO projects that US debt could rise to 87 percent of GDP by 2020, 109 percent by 2025, and 185 percent in 2035. While much of Europe, led by Britain and Germany, are aggressively cutting their deficits, the Obama administration is actively growing America?s debt, and has no plan in place to avert a looming Greek-style financial crisis.

5. Obama?s Big Government message is falling flat

The relentless emphasis on bailouts and stimulus spending has done little to spur economic growth or create jobs, but has greatly advanced the power of the federal government in America. This is not an approach that is proving popular with the American public, and even most European governments have long ditched this tax and spend approach to saving their own economies.

6. Obama?s support for socialised health care is a huge political mistake

In an extraordinary act of political Harakiri, President Obama leant his full support to the hugely controversial, unpopular and divisive health care reform bill, with a monstrous price tag of $940 billion, whose repeal is now supported by 55 per cent of likely US voters. As I wrote at the time of its passing, the legislation is ?a great leap forward by the United States towards a European-style vision of universal health care, which will only lead to soaring costs, higher taxes, and a surge in red tape for small businesses. This reckless legislation dramatically expands the power of the state over the lives of individuals, and could not be further from the vision of America?s founding fathers.?

7. Obama?s handling of the Gulf oil spill has been weak-kneed and indecisive

While much of the spilled oil in the Gulf has now been thankfully cleared up, the political damage for the White House will be long-lasting. Instead of showing real leadership on the matter by acing decisively and drawing upon offers of international support, the Obama administration settled on a more convenient strategy of relentlessly bashing an Anglo-American company while largely sitting on its hands. Significantly, a poll of Louisiana voters gave George W. Bush higher marks for his handling of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, with 62 percent disapproving of Obama?s performance on the Gulf oil spill.

8. US foreign policy is an embarrassing mess under the Obama administration

It is hard to think of a single foreign policy success for the Obama administration, but there have been plenty of missteps which have weakened American global power as well as the standing of the United States. The surrender to Moscow on Third Site missile defence, the failure to aggressively stand up to Iran?s nuclear programme, the decision to side with ousted Marxists in Honduras, the slap in the face for Great Britain over the Falklands, have all contributed to the image of a US administration completely out of its depth in international affairs. The Obama administration?s high risk strategy of appeasing America?s enemies while kicking traditional US allies has only succeeded in weakening the United States while strengthening her adversaries.

9. President Obama is muddled and confused on national security

From the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to the War on Terror, President Obama?s leadership has often been muddled and confused. On Afghanistan he rightly sent tens of thousands of additional troops to the battlefield. At the same time however he bizarrely announced a timetable for the withdrawal of US forces beginning in July 2011, handing the initiative to the Taliban. On Iraq he has announced an end to combat operations and the withdrawal of all but 50,000 troops despite a recent upsurge in terrorist violence and political instability, and without the Iraqi military and police ready to take over. In addition he has ditched the concept of a War on Terror, replacing it with an Overseas Contingency Operation, hardly the right message to send in the midst of a long-war against Al-Qaeda.

10. Obama doesn?t believe in American greatness

Barack Obama has made it clear that he doesn?t believe in American exceptionalism, and has made apologising for his country into an art form. In a speech to the United Nations last September he stated that ?no one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed. No balance of power among nations will hold.? It is difficult to see how a US president who holds these views and does not even accept America?s greatness in history can actually lead the world?s only superpower with force and conviction.
There is a distinctly Titanic-like feel to the Obama presidency and it?s not hard to see why. The most left-wing president in modern American history has tried to force a highly interventionist, government-driven agenda that runs counter to the principles of free enterprise, individual freedom, and limited government that have made the United States the greatest power in the world, and the freest nation on earth. This, combined with weak leadership both at home and abroad against the backdrop of tremendous economic uncertainty in an increasingly dangerous world, has contributed to a spectacular political collapse for a president once thought to be invincible. America at its core remains a deeply conservative nation, which cherishes its traditions and founding principles. President Obama is increasingly out of step with the American people, by advancing policies that undermine the United States as a global power, while undercutting America?s deep-seated love for freedom.

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that's really what this whole this about isn't? no one can point out obama's flaws or they are racist. I think obama's only vision was being a black president. he had no vision for the country, and it shows
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Right now if we had 3-4% unemployment and the economy was doing well, he could do just about anything he wanted and his approval ratings would be up.

There will be a lot of democrats who will pay for that in November. The big Obama question is: can he turn it around in the next two years?
Jesus could be president unemployment wouldn't be at 3-4% right now.

There is no hiding from the sub prime crisis.

Both sides are playing the blame game for political gain, in reality EVERYBODY fucked up, including the American public who took out loans they didn't understand.

The landing could be slightly better or worse with a different President but good times they are long gone.

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have a model here with me, she wants to know why obama is being discussed on a porn forum??
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My answer to her would be...because he is the President for all Americans...including those that deal in pornography...and this is the fucking around portion of GFY.
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The economy is killing Obama, it isnt going to get better its going to get worse and just in time for the 2012 election.
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He never led anything. Not sure why everyone thought he could lead a country.
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Because you have to discuss something when you're busy not making any money in porn
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Jesus could be president unemployment wouldn't be at 3-4% right now.

There is no hiding from the sub prime crisis.

Both sides are playing the blame game for political gain, in reality EVERYBODY fucked up, including the American public who took out loans they didn't understand.

The landing could be slightly better or worse with a different President but good times they are long gone.
I agree. We found ourselves in the middle of a perfect storm and it all came crashing down at once. All shit we have done over the last 30-40 years has finally come home to roost.

There is plenty of blame to go around for the crash and, like you say, the politicians are playing both sides of the game.

My main point was that when things are good, you can sell just about anything to anyone. When things are bad, every little thing you do is held under a microscope and analyzed ten times.
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We've tried stimulus... Austerity looms in the future. It's already happening in Europe. Also, this downturn has hastened the outsourcing of more manufacturing jobs to China and elsewhere as companies try to make do with less. Even without a double dip recession, a JOBLESS RECOVERY is quite likely...
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I agree. We found ourselves in the middle of a perfect storm and it all came crashing down at once. All shit we have done over the last 30-40 years has finally come home to roost.

There is plenty of blame to go around for the crash and, like you say, the politicians are playing both sides of the game.

My main point was that when things are good, you can sell just about anything to anyone. When things are bad, every little thing you do is held under a microscope and analyzed ten times.
IMO your previous post was spot on. Putting the democratic agenda before the good of the nation was an enormous mistake.
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IMO your previous post was spot on. Putting the democratic agenda before the good of the nation was an enormous mistake.
Yeah, it really annoyed me to see them do that. It seems like every day I get more and more annoyed with the leadership of our country and sadly I don't see any end to the corruption or stupidity.
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We've tried stimulus... Austerity looms in the future. It's already happening in Europe. Also, this downturn has hastened the outsourcing of more manufacturing jobs to China and elsewhere as companies try to make do with less. Even without a double dip recession, a JOBLESS RECOVERY is quite likely...
Keynesian economics don't work, especially when the country is running historical deficits/debt. I don't know what Bernanke thought was going to happen with the bullshit stimulus and quantitative easing. Our economy has to collapse for another model to take hold, and I'm waiting for that. It's going to happen regardless so prolonging it makes Obama and BErnanke look like jackasses and makes the collapse even worse when it does happen.
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Keynesian economics don't work, especially when the country is running historical deficits/debt. I don't know what Bernanke thought was going to happen with the bullshit stimulus and quantitative easing. Our economy has to collapse for another model to take hold, and I'm waiting for that. It's going to happen regardless so prolonging it makes Obama and BErnanke look like jackasses and makes the collapse even worse when it does happen.
If the Obama administration had let it collapse when they took office it would of completely been blamed on Bush and the Republicans but by delaying it and pushing it further down the road Obama and the Democratic majority took ownership of the problem.

I cant believe their strategy of government spending to fuel the economy, cash for clunkers propping up GM etc, infrastructure improvements providing temporary jobs, surely he knew these were just bandaids over bullet wounds? How can they not know the numbers will fall off from their temporary fixes? Im not sure what they were trying to accomplish?
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18 months of explaining how it's everyone else's fault only convinces the stupid.
The same group that vilified Bush for 1 1 trillion dollar deficit but praises obama's projected 20 trillion dollar debt
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sadly, that article is spot on.
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No, Obama is killing the economy
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Politics aside... liberal, conservative, moderate... whatever. When watching Obama speak, when reading his interviews... he just doesn't seem confident. That's an issue for me. I could completely disagree with someone but if I knew that they believed what they were saying I would at least have some respect for them. How do you believe someone that doesn't believe himself?

This Alan Grayson character from Florida... I don't agree with anything that man says, in fact I think he might just be borderline crazy... but we know where he stands, we know what he thinks, and we know what he believes to be true. He screams confidence. And craziness, haha.

A leader needs to lead. Period. Standing up in front of the country and constantly complaining about the Republicans, blaming the Republicans, blaming George Bush... that isn't leadership. Nobody can make the argument that that is leadership.
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Politics aside... liberal, conservative, moderate... whatever. When watching Obama speak, when reading his interviews... he just doesn't seem confident. That's an issue for me. I could completely disagree with someone but if I knew that they believed what they were saying I would at least have some respect for them. How do you believe someone that doesn't believe himself?

This Alan Grayson character from Florida... I don't agree with anything that man says, in fact I think he might just be borderline crazy... but we know where he stands, we know what he thinks, and we know what he believes to be true. He screams confidence. And craziness, haha.

A leader needs to lead. Period. Standing up in front of the country and constantly complaining about the Republicans, blaming the Republicans, blaming George Bush... that isn't leadership. Nobody can make the argument that that is leadership.
I agree. His speeches full not fluff got him to be president, now he or his speech writers have no clue how to portray leadership.

But that was part of their strategy. To never end the campaign. So his speeches are still full of blame the republicans/Bush and fluff. That shows lack of leadership and maybe something poli sci professors teach about for 100 years if he does not win in '12.
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