FACT: porn in dead.

[MetaMan]

Porn is slowly dieing and i give another 3 years until the entire affiliate model is "finished" in porn.

that is what all you people get for cheering Legendary Lars at conventions.

If you have ever promoted AFF or anything along those lines you only have yourselves to blame.

porn webmasters are idiots. it is like my designing for gucci and making side deals with the people who counterfeit my product.

so i wont be seeing you all in a few years.

was a nice run now kindly fuck off.

[BFT3K]

Finally, a positive message!

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Finally, a positive message!

it is time to get real and make changes NOW before it is to late.

but that wont happen. porn webmasters were used to easy money for to many years and did nada to diversify.

the average porn webmaster is a horrid webmaster. it is not even funny.

they only have themselves to blame. while they were out partying with "hoes" and giving fake smiles to their "bros" while i was at home grinding.

[CaptainHowdy]

Porn already came back from the dead...

[TheDoc]

The affiliate model will never die.

[BFT3K]

Join up to promote the Pecker Pass Network, before the affiliate model is dead!

[Klen]

And it took you so long to realize that?

[Paul Markham]

Porn isn't dead. More people watch porn today than they did before.

What's tough is selling porn today.

Ironic that when the Internet thought they were taking customers from other forms of porn delivery they were so happy. Now the Internet is closing many down it's not so rosy.

Yes we need to change, as someone who has said it many times I'm now quieter.

[LeRoy]

Is this that "refreshing" feeling you're having?

[Far-L]

Porn is Gratefully Dead... I was just at some shows in California and was pleasantly surprised to find porn stars were also in attendance...

[DatingGameExpert]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Porn is slowly dieing and i give another 3 years until the entire affiliate model is "finished" in porn.

that is what all you people get for cheering Legendary Lars at conventions.

If you have ever promoted AFF or anything along those lines you only have yourselves to blame.

porn webmasters are idiots. it is like my designing for gucci and making side deals with the people who counterfeit my product.

so i wont be seeing you all in a few years.

was a nice run now kindly fuck off.

Fact: you can't spell for shit.

[AnalProbe]

Originally Posted by DatingGameExpert

Fact: you can't spell for shit.

He should hire fatfoo to post.

[Darkcrni]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

it is time to get real and make changes NOW before it is to late.

but that wont happen. porn webmasters were used to easy money for to many years and did nada to diversify.

the average porn webmaster is a horrid webmaster. it is not even funny.

they only have themselves to blame. while they were out partying with "hoes" and giving fake smiles to their "bros" while i was at home grinding.

Man...u really know hot to hate!
Do u hate your self as well, i guess so!

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

The affiliate model will never die.

things will slowly turn private in porn.

to many people on their way out trying to cut corners.

Originally Posted by DatingGameExpert

Fact: you can't spell for shit.

when someone pays me to spell i will start giving a fuck.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by Darkcrni

Man...u really know hot to hate!
Do u hate your self as well, i guess so!

i am giving you the best advice i had years ago, MAKE CHANGES NOW FOR TOMORROW!

the past is gone you cant change it.

[flip.green]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

i am giving you the best advice i had years ago, MAKE CHANGES NOW FOR TOMORROW!

the past is gone you cant change it.

The past is gone but i keep waking up to the same fucking posts everyday. Porn is dead blah blah. OK great, thx for the sage advice

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by flip.green

The past is gone but i keep waking up to the same fucking posts everyday. Porn is dead blah blah. OK great, thx for the sage advice

the big dogs will still be here. but they are out grinding not spending their investment money on affiliate rep parties.

2010 is when the wannabe webmaster has a real wakeup call.

globalization is your friend.

[96ukssob]

the affiliate model will slowly start to dissipate, but not completely go away... yet most of the people here will be fucked.

new porn always has to be made, but its just now finding a buyer. after a while people will get tired of beating off to the same content and start looking elsewhere, but right now there is an extreme surplus of content out there, so wait about 3-5 years until all the companies now are out of business and new ones roll in.

it will only take one big player in the industry to change things, as in limit how you can get and view their content and who can promote it.

my affiliates will have to purchase content from providers to put on their sites (tubes, tgps, blogs, etc.) and that will wipe out about 98% of all webmasters, then it will leave the seriously players left.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

they only have themselves to blame. while they were out partying with "hoes" and giving fake smiles to their "bros" while i was at home grinding.

What about BRO drinks?

[quiet]

i never understood all this party bullshit. you keep your nose to the ground, you make money, fuck the rest of it. that's how you make money.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by bossku69

the affiliate model will slowly start to dissipate, but not completely go away... yet most of the people here will be fucked.

new porn always has to be made, but its just now finding a buyer. after a while people will get tired of beating off to the same content and start looking elsewhere, but right now there is an extreme surplus of content out there, so wait about 3-5 years until all the companies now are out of business and new ones roll in.

it will only take one big player in the industry to change things, as in limit how you can get and view their content and who can promote it.

my affiliates will have to purchase content from providers to put on their sites (tubes, tgps, blogs, etc.) and that will wipe out about 98% of all webmasters, then it will leave the seriously players left.

the problem is the credit cards and processing, anyone who doesnt know the leesh on processing is getting short is not a webmaster.

credit cards have huge profits off "legitimate" processing online now, most mainstream businesses have joined the crunch of the net. credit cards are getting rid of anyone or anything "shady". and no matter how much people want it porn subscriptions will never be mainstream.

kind of like what happened with paypal and adult is slowly happening with credit cards and adult. they no longer need porn to have huge profits. mainstream is a much safer bet when it comes down to risk and reward. only the big guys will survive.

as the leesh gets tighter programs will be forced to watch their affiliates even more. the excuse of "it was just an affiliate" does not go far these days. this is going to force the part time affiliate out the door.

this is in porn anyway.

what is crazy to me is that the "tube" sites are more mainstream now compared to the paysite model. you ask regular joe smchoes they will tell you about their favorite porn site. i dont remember that ever with paysites.

as more content becomes available networks are going to have to realize they need to focus inward. and that is exactly what they will do. only offering their content to a select few affiliates with long term solid traffic.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by quiet

i never understood all this party bullshit. you keep your nose to the ground, you make money, fuck the rest of it. that's how you make money.

it took me a longtime to realize this, but im glad i did while i am still young.

you dont sleep eat or do anything.

when you are on the grind you go get it done. you dont rest. you get to 100% go to 120% on onward.

this year is when i finally figured out what it really takes to make it and the true work and sacrifice involved.

[amacontent]

Originally Posted by DatingGameExpert

Fact: you can't spell for shit.

WTF difference does it make what his spelling is on a valid point. Stay off the board and leave it for the people who care.. IDIOT ! Another reason biz is declining is IDIOTS like you. GEEEEZ

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

things will slowly turn private in porn.

to many people on their way out trying to cut corners.

While some porn companies can survive without Affiliates, porn itself online will not survive without Affiliates. Affiliates is what allows Programs to reach into new markets and areas of the Internet that they would never think of reaching into. Affiliates is what keeps our traffic moving and our global exposure up. The global affiliate traffic is what allows Internal Networks of Program Owners to reach the size they do.

Very few, less than a handful of Programs are able to generate enough productive traffic outside of the Porn Bubble to stay in business. If you take away affiliates almost every porn company online would be gone.

[Davy]

The tubes are the paysites of tomorrow. It's a natural progression. Just like facebook is replacing email.

[Davy]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

While some porn companies can survive without Affiliates, porn itself online will not survive without Affiliates. Affiliates is what allows Programs to reach into new markets and areas of the Internet that they would never think of reaching into.

We live in a time of social media sites. If your content is great, the surfers will do the affiliate job just as well. You just need to control the content that the surfers get. That is what pretty much all the programs are lacking.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

While some porn companies can survive without Affiliates, porn itself online will not survive without Affiliates. Affiliates is what allows Programs to reach into new markets and areas of the Internet that they would never think of reaching into. Affiliates is what keeps our traffic moving and our global exposure up. The global affiliate traffic is what allows Internal Networks of Program Owners to reach the size they do.

Very few, less than a handful of Programs are able to generate enough productive traffic outside of the Porn Bubble to stay in business. If you take away affiliates almost every porn company online would be gone.

i just posted a point just as you posted.

i agree but now traffic is slowly being cornered. certain sites have almost all the traffic when it comes to porn. the pie is getting smaller and smaller.

affiliates will exists but like i stated above their is processing reasons why it will start to fall.

Originally Posted by Davy

The tubes are the paysites of tomorrow. It's a natural progression. Just like facebook is replacing email.

the only thing that drives these sites is CONTENT. tubes need a constant thirst for content. their is only so much porn out their for each niche that gets people off. i dont see them being able to fill this thirst forever.

i see a rebound in porn maybe 5 years down the road.

the tube sites piece of the pie will get smaller as content becomes redundant. anyone left around at this point has a great opportunity.

people THIRST for content, no matter what it is, they want more of it, that is what keeps them coming back.

the pie will always change hands but for now. porn is in the toaster.

[quiet]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

While some porn companies can survive without Affiliates, porn itself online will not survive without Affiliates. Affiliates is what allows Programs to reach into new markets and areas of the Internet that they would never think of reaching into. Affiliates is what keeps our traffic moving and our global exposure up. The global affiliate traffic is what allows Internal Networks of Program Owners to reach the size they do.

Very few, less than a handful of Programs are able to generate enough productive traffic outside of the Porn Bubble to stay in business. If you take away affiliates almost every porn company online would be gone.

lolololololol

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Davy

We live in a time of social media sites. If your content is great, the surfers will do the affiliate job just as well. You just need to control the content that the surfers get. That is what pretty much all the programs are lacking.

Nobody here is doing enough social traffic from surfers alone to pay for a 6 pack of beer.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by quiet

lolololololol

So you believe you achieved what you had "without" an Affiliate helping you reach into traffic areas that you couldn't have ever reached without them?

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Nobody here is doing enough social traffic from surfers alone to pay for a 6 pack of beer.

and the tubes got so big from what?

magic?








.

[quiet]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

So you believe you achieved what you had "without" an Affiliate helping you reach into traffic areas that you couldn't have ever reached without them?

i don't understand the question. what i'm laughing at is that you think there is only a handful of programs... ah, lol never mind.

[Zester]

I advice everybody here to see the mainstream sponsor in my sig
I've been making more money from it than ever I did with a porn sponsor

and yes. the affiliate model is dying very fast

[tranza]

I failed to understand the logic between Lars an the death of porn.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

and the tubes got so big from what?

magic?


.

Well, I'm sure it wasn't all social networking.. Word of mouth is a huge one and search engines and forums. Being that one owns a huge amount of Asian Forums - I know how they built up. We can also see the traffic numbers drop across the Industry and Tubes increased in size, it's safe to say they pulled from far more than social networks.

[sortie]

I know one thing is true, porn will be dead for some people.

When I do an alexa on TGPs I used to trade traffic with most of them
have tumbled down.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by quiet

i don't understand the question. what i'm laughing at is that you think there is only a handful of programs... ah, lol never mind.

What? A handful of programs that "are able to generate enough productive traffic outside of the Porn Bubble to stay in business."

Can you name one that even produces any real sales outside of the porn bubble?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

and the tubes got so big from what?

magic?








.

Btw... That's not what the actual discussion was about.

If you took away "affiliates" it would mean the Tube has to generate sales on it's own.

So... the surfer isn't going to socialize your stuff so much for you that you stay in business as a tube. However we were talking about Paysites really... and they damn sure don't produce enough social traffic naturally to buy a 6 pack of beer with.

[sortie]

double post.....

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

So you believe you achieved what you had "without" an Affiliate helping you reach into traffic areas that you couldn't have ever reached without them?

the days of the affiliate are almost up.

there will still be "affiliates" but it is going to narrow down to networks dealing with each other in private networks.

the risk of paying some TOP affiliates $2k a day is not worth the risk of getting your merchant shut down. affiliates are a risk that is no longer needed.

places are going in house and it is for a reason.

if you cannot develop your own traffic you should not be running a network in the first place.

[$5 submissions]

Sounds like a sick niche. Porn in dead people?

[Shoplifter]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Porn is slowly dieing and i give another 3 years until the entire affiliate model is "finished" in porn.

was a nice run now kindly fuck off.

It isn't going to be 3 years...It's going to be maybe by Xmas.

I feel that once the various revenue streams dry up it will fall apart very quickly.

[TeenCat]

mi name iiz feen fet

[Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Its been dead.
I make beer money with my old sites.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

the days of the affiliate are almost up.

there will still be "affiliates" but it is going to narrow down to networks dealing with each other in private networks.

the risk of paying some TOP affiliates $2k a day is not worth the risk of getting your merchant shut down. affiliates are a risk that is no longer needed.

places are going in house and it is for a reason.

if you cannot develop your own traffic you should not be running a network in the first place.

The risk of having affiliates is almost nothing... programs that produce inhouse sales have no more or less chargebacks/refunds than programs that produce sales through affiliates.

Being able to produce your own sales is easy... being able to produce the sales Affiliates can, isn't easy - and very few programs throughout History have been able to do it and pay for staff, manage the hosting, updates correctly, find/buy and build domains, then shooting, manage both traffic and paysites, etc.

I'm all up for starting your own traffic network. Just don't expect it to pass affiliate sales in the first year or two or longer, if ever.


Topbucks is an Affiliate based program that is growing. If they're able to do it, what's wrong with everyone else?

[andrej_NDC]

Porn isn't dead, but AFF isn't helping, thats true.

[trevesty]

Some people on here like to project their own shortcomings onto the rest of the industry, it seems...

And it seems like I remember seeing the exact same type of posts 3-4 years ago. 2010, we were all supposed to be broke.. we were in 2009, too. oh.. and in 2008.

You naysayers ever going to get it right?

[TheDoc]

No Affiliates = No Programs = No Paysites = No Promos = No Design Work

Just like less affiliates = less programs = less paysites/promos being needed = less design work.

Best hope affiliates don't die out...

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

No Affiliates = No Programs = No Paysites = No Promos = No Design Work

Just like less affiliates = less programs = less paysites/promos being needed = less design work.

Best hope affiliates don't die out...

the only design work i do now is for myself.

im not saying i want them to die out, im just telling you with the way things are headed with processors dont be surprised.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

the only design work i do now is for myself.

im not saying i want them to die out, im just telling you with the way things are headed with processors dont be surprised.

Na.. I have no doubt that the affiliate model will never die. Change, slow down, move around... totally - but go away or die, not as long as the Internet works.