VOD = 60$ per sale - LiveCams = $700 per sale - why still promoting VOD ?

[BoardiesBitch]

It is obvious that nowadays tubes sites are offering so much free and ok quality content that it's just does not worth it anymore for surfers to pay for video. They have all the vids they want. Some VOD products are exclusive and not on tubes so they still can generate you some money though.

But the calculation is pretty simple :

On the best VOD site, you will rebill - BEST CASE SCENARIO - 1 time.
Of course, aff rep will tell you 6 months. I have been in this business for over 10 years, i was a sales rep for VOD websites and truth is that, since 2008-2009, a client will rebill 1 time even on the best VOD sites.
So your sale will generate $30x2 = $60
Whether you are on PPS or revshare, you will get around $35-40 for that sale.

Now if you promote a livecam product, you can generate on average $700 per sale. That's at least the type of revenues we see on our platform.
Some clients will spend $700 in one day, while other will in 6 months, and others will spend 5$.
But on average, if you get for example a 40% revshare out of $700, that's still a minimum of $280-300 per signup.

Not too mention that it is today much easier to convert a livecam product than a VOD product...

So my questions are :
- do you think that livecams are the highest money maker in our industry today ?
- Why are you still promoting VOD sponsors ? If so, which ones and why ? (Exclusive content, exclusive billing methods, ect ?)
- What is your % revenues between VOD and Livecams ?
- What are the Livecams products that makes you the most ? Please here answer only if you make volumes. Sending 3,000 clicks and one sale to a high PPS sponsors does not mean much...

[TeenCat]

can i get for example million per sale?

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

- do you think that livecams are the highest money maker in our industry today ?

Not even close

[CamTraffic]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

Not even close

agreed there

and

On the best VOD site, you will rebill - BEST CASE SCENARIO - 1 time.

you got that all wrong too...

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

On the best VOD site, you will rebill - BEST CASE SCENARIO - 1 time.
Of course, aff rep will tell you 6 months. I have been in this business for over 10 years, i was a sales rep for VOD websites and truth is that, since 2008-2009, a client will rebill 1 time even on the best VOD sites.
So your sale will generate $30x2 = $60
Whether you are on PPS or revshare, you will get around $35-40 for that sale.

i have vod customers who have been buying for more than 2 years and i've made hundreds off of one customer.
i have dozens of vod customers who have rebilled for at least one year.
this is mainly thru Movie Dollars. Why? Because MD adds dozens of new features every day and its a good bet that EVERY WEEK they add a niche video that one of my customers will want.
vod is doing pretty well thanks!
although i do agree that live cams can net far more per customer, its harder to get those customers imo.
btw AEBN is also a good bet and with the Real Touch device they've added another angle on the vod market.

on edit- btw no tubes or torrents can keep up with the amount of videos coming out thus they will NEVER keep pace with vod which is why alot of people continue to use vod.
also many are aware of the pitfalls of illegal tubes and torrents i.e. malware, virus, spam etc. so in reality there are millions of people who will never go the tube-torrent route and that number is growing every day.

[livegirlsonbed]

My avg per new member sent to a cam site on rev-share is around 40-45$/year/per member on the best sponsor. But a member can generate just 5-10 bucks, other 200$ in few months... depend of the luck. 700$/member is a wet dream in this days.

[PornAffiliate]

i dont get why my webcam referrals use pps instead of revshare :s

[BoardiesBitch]

obviously i was not expecting VOD people to tell me im right...

I have worked for over 6 years on large downloadable video paysites - the kind of ones that offers 2500 dvd available for download for 29.95 - so i know this business just a bit - i dont mean disrespect or anything but please don't try to tell me VOD is the new goldrush cause i will have hard times believing that in 2010

[Kenny B!]

I get $300 pps from I'm live right now and couldn't be happier!

[V_RocKs]

VOD does good for me... But I have to agree that cams do a lot better!

[CamTraffic]

Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

obviously i was not expecting VOD people to tell me im right...

I have worked for over 6 years on large downloadable video paysites - the kind of ones that offers 2500 dvd available for download for 29.95 - so i know this business just a bit - i dont mean disrespect or anything but please don't try to tell me VOD is the new goldrush cause i will have hard times believing that in 2010

" 2500 dvd available for download for 29.95 " is not really VOD
We are talking about Pay per minute here...that's totally different

the kind of site you are talking about dont offer a lot of new releases, VOD does.

[chronig]

Originally Posted by CamTraffic

agreed there

and

On the best VOD site, you will rebill - BEST CASE SCENARIO - 1 time.

you got that all wrong too...

All wrong because it's too much... 100% rebill ratio? ... best case scenario maybe 60-75% rebill ratio. He doesn't mean that the most anyone will ever rebill is 1 time he means an average of 1:1 sales to rebills... I have had 60% rebills 40% new sales before, which is a little better than 1:1

[HandballJim]

I am making a killing with Japanese Cams niche, VOD is just steady...nothing special. Forget about membership programs...very tough to convert. At least for me.

I would have liked to see how this biz was before tubes...

[xmas13]

Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

Of course, aff rep will tell you 6 months. I have been in this business for over 10 years, i was a sales rep for VOD websites and truth is that, since 2008-2009, a client will rebill 1 time even on the best VOD sites.

"..."

Now if you promote a livecam product, you can generate on average $700 per sale.

Helloooooooo, you are a sales rep for live cam websites now.

[CamTraffic]

Originally Posted by chronig

All wrong because it's too much... 100% rebill ratio? ... best case scenario maybe 60-75% rebill ratio. He doesn't mean that the most anyone will ever rebill is 1 time he means an average of 1:1 sales to rebills... I have had 60% rebills 40% new sales before, which is a little better than 1:1

it's really hard to get those numbers with VOD sites, as sometimes the user can rebill 2 days later or 3 month later. different biz model all together...

[CamTraffic]

Originally Posted by xmas13

Helloooooooo, you are a sales rep for live cam websites now.

yeah, that was kind of Funny what kills me is that he worked for a ALL-YOU-CAN-DOWNLOAD DVD membership site, that's not what i call VOD

[tonyparra]

1:50 last month at MD with vod everytime i post my moviedollars ratios the thread get quiet...granted i dont send alot of traffic, but my ratio has gone as high as 1:200 and low as 1:30 with many rebills.

[GTS Mark]

Yeah i think you're pretty much spot on, we have tried promoting vod solutions and the money earned per click is no where near what we make with cams solutions.

[Robbie]

Download DVD sites are not VOD sites.

It's true that the old DVD download sites were HUGE back around 2002. They are dead now. But VOD still makes great money.

I still make more on AEBN than any the cam programs I promote. VOD means Pay Per View (pay per minute) and yes people love cams...no doubt. But they STILL want to see porn movies too. Especially when they want to see real hardcore sex. And VOD allows them to pay as they go with a wide variety to choose from.

Keep in mind I've been doing this a lot longer than most...so my AEBN has been building and building for years. It's not quick money...it has to nurture and grow.

That's not a problem for me with my TGP's. Unlike blogs or SEO guys or guys buying ad spots...I have always been able to promote hundreds of things simultaneously. So it's not either/or for people who have real freesites like I do.

60% of my monthly income comes from my VOD, dating, and cam sales these days. VOD hasn't been affected by piracy the way paysites have. Not sure why...of course I have a good idea why, but it's based on human nature and not really prove-able.

[seoguy]

700 a sale, sure..

[Screwed Up]

You were a sales rep for VOD websites and yet you don't know the difference between a DVD download site and VOD?
What you describe isn't VOD.

But thanks for the info about DVD download sites. I was wondering how they were doing nowadays.

[BoardiesBitch]

Originally Posted by CamTraffic

" 2500 dvd available for download for 29.95 " is not really VOD
We are talking about Pay per minute here...that's totally different

the kind of site you are talking about dont offer a lot of new releases, VOD does.

I meant video - whatever the form is.
The biggest sellers in the past 5 years have been the video download websites, all you can download for 29.95. Not the pay per minute. Pay-per-minute video has surely made some money but it was nothing compared to downloadable DivX

Caligari may not agree with that but i have seen WAYYYYY more Videosz and other AEN than HotMovies. Everyone i was trading traffic with at the time was sending to Videosz types websites, not Hotmovies. And now hearing people trying to say that they make huge cash on "VOD" through HotMovies ? Sorry i don't buy it, it was not making a lot of money back in 2005-2006, i really wonder by which miracles it could make huge cash nowadays. Unless you have 100's of rebillers from 2003 which is possible i agree

[BoardiesBitch]

Originally Posted by xmas13

Helloooooooo, you are a sales rep for live cam websites now.

that's EXACTLY my point
Why do you think i made the move ?
hellooooooooo

[BoardiesBitch]

Originally Posted by CamTraffic

yeah, that was kind of Funny what kills me is that he worked for a ALL-YOU-CAN-DOWNLOAD DVD membership site, that's not what i call VOD

you are trying to convince yourself right now
As i said, i meant video - whatever the form is - you are still selling the same product : video

also what you call VOD, some other people will call it video, AEN, Download Paysites, Download Network, ect
So stop trying to convince yourself you got all right and i got it all wrong - cause it's rarely that simple

[bbobby86]

calculation is pretty simple... like it...

[Slappin Fish]

Your question was : "do you think that livecams are the highest money maker in our industry today ?"

So you can't just compare to VOD, VOD never was the highest money maker.

For top affiliates I can tell you dating earnings still dwarf cam earnings.

[Jaeger]

im still promoting VOD because people click on VOD ads and galleries, they dont click on webcam ads as often. sure the sales are better but fewer click!

[BoardiesBitch]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

im still promoting VOD because people click on VOD ads and galleries, they dont click on webcam ads as often. sure the sales are better but fewer click!

that's a good point, i agree with that

[NikKay]

I stopped directly promoting VOD a couple of years ago and still get checks worth a couple grand a month from the members I sent more than 2 years ago. I stop promoting a cam site directly and for some strange reason I stop getting checks a few months later.