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JimmyStephans · 09-04-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

I can understand the paying to keep it quiet part of your post but really can't get my head around pirates suddenly joining a site instead of just moving on to the next pirate forum and picking something else that's free?

That has to do with the content....

EXAMPLE: If they are hooked on Jordan Capri, and can't get it free, they will pay.

In my case -- and Steve's -- we are not talking about over saturated or generic European girl naked content that can be found any place. We are talking about specific models / content that can't be found on 100s of other sites.

Some models can be seen all over the place -- some models, or content styles are more rare.

DatingGold · 09-04-2010, 12:50 PM

It's going to be very hard to prove it was the actual person you are suing. But I guess if you settle before having to prove it then you're golden.

bjlover · 09-04-2010, 01:01 PM

some of you are fucking stupid

It doesnt matter if he never makes a cent, it doesnt even really matter if he can prove they downloaded anything.

Do you thenk the average man wants his wife, mum, friends knowing he has been downloading porn.

A letter through the door will be enough to scare people shitless. This combined with publicity would be enough to stop many users using torrents

D Ghost · 09-04-2010, 01:05 PM

Kudos to you guys!

Far-L · 09-04-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Steve isn't the first to do this...and not the last either.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

The less said, the better.

dyna mo · 09-04-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

The less said, the better.

why's that?

chronig · 09-04-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

I can understand the paying to keep it quiet part of your post but really can't get my head around pirates suddenly joining a site instead of just moving on to the next pirate forum and picking something else that's free?

Hmm I don't know, maybe the fear that if they continue to get the content pirated, even if elsewhere, then they may be the next one sued? ...

For the most part I think the goal here is to regain paying subscribers that turned to pirating over the years of it becoming such easy access.... and after an incident like the WP Board, or hopefully Lightspeed's case, it shouldn't be a hard sell.

I don't think anyone expects people that have always pirated to suddenly start paying

mynameisjim · 09-04-2010, 01:30 PM

I don't get why people respond negatively to these threads.

To think piracy is some new, unbeatable monster makes you look silly. Piracy is simply a crime, just like any other crime. You never totally stop a certain type of crime, but you manage it.

Take auto theft for example. Cars still get stolen but by using criminal prosecutions, security devices, and consumer education, etc., you can manage it so that your car isn't stolen every time you turn around.

Same with piracy. You simply treat it like any other criminal activity and use a multifaceted approach to managing it to a reasonable level.

If you're going to wait around for one magic thing to stop piracy, you'll wait forever. The world doesn't work like that. It's things like what Steve(s) and Robbie are doing that will bring piracy down to a manageable level.

TeenCat · 09-04-2010, 01:38 PM

yeah, finally, it had to come and excelent work from lightspeed, grooby and harddrive, keep it up and lets go to the win! your links are comming all around my network in few days!

will76 · 09-04-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Blingbaby

It won't. If Hollywood can't do it why do you think Steve could? People are fucking serious about this? I'm hearing revenue projections out of this, you are all deep dreaming in a collapsing nightmare. There was a good thought in this thread: deliver superior content and protect it and you'll be ok..

The problem with hollywood is that they were trying to stop piracy not look at it as a money making venture. They wanted to set examples, and hope it scared people. They spent a lot more in attorney fees then they took back in with damages. They had a different goal than Steve. I think Steve's approach will be effective for him and he will make money.

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Originally Posted by cambaby

He isnt fighting piracy he is trying to squeeze money out of people since he know they wont buy his content. He isnt planning on actually winning any cases just getting settlements. This is not uncommon in the business world as a matter of fact there are many businesses that exist specifically to do this.

Piracy will continue, sales will diminish if there is no more technological innovation from adult content producers. The days of take pix of a random whore and posting it on the internet for people to see at 29.95 a month are over and they all know it.

Smart move by Steve, he cant possibly fight the big tubes theres no way.

LOLOLOL ? what is so funny? He found a way to continue to make money off of the people who are stealing his content. It might just be the "big tube sites" we all know most of them are the ones who put up the stolen content in the first place and not their "users".

If people didn't steal they wouldn't be sued and have to pay up. Can wait to see this unfold, it's been the best way IMO for sites to handle this for 3 years but no one has tried it... until now.

ottopottomouse · 09-04-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chronig

Hmm I don't know, maybe the fear that if they continue to get the content pirated, even if elsewhere, then they may be the next one sued? ...

For the most part I think the goal here is to regain paying subscribers that turned to pirating over the years of it becoming such easy access.... and after an incident like the WP Board, or hopefully Lightspeed's case, it shouldn't be a hard sell.

I don't think anyone expects people that have always pirated to suddenly start paying

There's too much on that blog to read through for me to tell quickly whether he just went after the site owners, the donators, and the uploaders or whether he went after the downloaders too.

Downloaders just move site or are already on many sites taking stuff.

Uploaders seem to have a favourite site to post on. Out of the many sharing forums (which all seem to operate a similar policy to here of don't post other sites) i'd be surprised if there was even mass knowledge of WP-Board outside of it's members.

chronig · 09-04-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

There's too much on that blog to read through for me to tell quickly whether he just went after the site owners, the donators, and the uploaders or whether he went after the downloaders too.

Downloaders just move site or are already on many sites taking stuff.

Uploaders seem to have a favourite site to post on. Out of the many sharing forums (which all seem to operate a similar policy to here of don't post other sites) i'd be surprised if there was even mass knowledge of WP-Board outside of it's members.

I have no idea what the fuck you are trying to say here but the bottom line is that starting cases against piracy definitely helps the influence of buying site memberships vs. pirating content.

will76 · 09-04-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

so your basically admitting it an extortion scheme/blackmail scheme

of pay us or will violate your privacy rights.

you drink your own kool aid too much.

what an idiot/

Don't steal content if you don't want your "priacy" violated...

LMAO privacy rights....

will76 · 09-04-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bjlover

some of you are fucking stupid

It doesnt matter if he never makes a cent, it doesnt even really matter if he can prove they downloaded anything.

Do you thenk the average man wants his wife, mum, friends knowing he has been downloading porn.

A letter through the door will be enough to scare people shitless. This combined with publicity would be enough to stop many users using torrents

Yeap, and if they want to look at porn and keep it quiet then they better not steal porn.

Awe too bad, poor little content thief gets exposed for stealing PORN.

Dirty Dane · 09-04-2010, 02:05 PM

Maybe the ones who settle fast also are afraid to buy? They do not want their wife or bank to see their creditcard statement and email spam, instead they download free?

Pirates do not deserve that privacy but paying customers do. This industry also have to take that seriously because one thing leads to another. A bad circle can't be broken by creating it. I'm really amazed by all the spam I get after doing test signups

seanchai · 09-04-2010, 03:41 PM

I'm not going to get into this too much, or debate it too much as frankly, it seems that most of the people having a whine are the ones who don't really have that much to lose.

Are we going to stop piracy doing this? Absolutely not. There will always be piracy and there will always be people looking to get the content for free, these people will NEVER buy. This is an inevitable part of any business that creates a content that can be ripped off.
The problem is when potential buyers find it easier to steal content than to buy it. These lawsuits are just part of our overall strategy to go after content thieves and hopefully drive them further underground, so that those potential buyers, find it easier to go to the actual websites rather than take the risk of stealing or jumping through loops to steal it. We have other initiatives going on against the uploaders, this is specific to bit torrent downloaders.

What does Grooby hope to accomplish from this? Both a new potential revenue stream and the threat of what may happen, if you continue to poach our content.

Let's see what happens when 100 people get a legal notice stating our intention to sue, and publicize the legal action we're taking against them for downloading illegally:
"SHEMALE-MIDGET-DEEP-ANAL-FUCK-ORGY.WMV", before being so negative about the outcome. If it fails, nothing ventured, nothing gained but at least we're trying to work at this and we will find a solution instead of sitting around whining about the profits dropping.

selena · 09-04-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by seanchai

I'm not going to get into this too much, or debate it too much as frankly, it seems that most of the people having a whine are the ones who don't really have that much to lose.

Are we going to stop piracy doing this? Absolutely not. There will always be piracy and there will always be people looking to get the content for free, these people will NEVER buy. This is an inevitable part of any business that creates a content that can be ripped off.
The problem is when potential buyers find it easier to steal content than to buy it. These lawsuits are just part of our overall strategy to go after content thieves and hopefully drive them further underground, so that those potential buyers, find it easier to go to the actual websites rather than take the risk of stealing or jumping through loops to steal it. We have other initiatives going on against the uploaders, this is specific to bit torrent downloaders.

What does Grooby hope to accomplish from this? Both a new potential revenue stream and the threat of what may happen, if you continue to poach our content.

Let's see what happens when 100 people get a legal notice stating our intention to sue, and publicize the legal action we're taking against them for downloading illegally:
"SHEMALE-MIDGET-DEEP-ANAL-FUCK-ORGY.WMV", before being so negative about the outcome. If it fails, nothing ventured, nothing gained but at least we're trying to work at this and we will find a solution instead of sitting around whining about the profits dropping.

AdPatron · 09-04-2010, 03:43 PM

Steve can suck it.

gideongallery · 09-04-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Why isn't this guy banned yet?

Umm.. yeah... so if someone goes to a CP site with a privacy policy then nobody can know the guy got busted for CP because he has a right to privacy?

in big red letters so you don't get confused

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How exactly did you make sure that no one who was simply recovering content they paid for wasn't "accidently" blackmailed.

JaneB · 09-04-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

wow, you are a narrow minded cunt...

its ok for you to shake your pussy all over the net, but its not ok for prostitution?

get your head out of your ass and the squirrels out of your pussy...

selling sex is selling sex...

quit trying to put your whorish ways on a silver plate..

at the end of the day you are still just a whore, not an actress, not a model, but a whore..

btw, in case you dont think you are a whore, i will post the definition for you below:

whore (hôr, hr)
n.
1. A prostitute.
2. A person considered sexually promiscuous.
3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.
intr.v. whored, whor·ing, whores
1. To associate or have sexual relations with prostitutes or a prostitute.
2. To accept payment in exchange for sexual relations.
3. To compromise one's principles for personal gain.

please take note of numbers 3 and 3 and also the fact that you share the same definition as a prostitute...

.

Being an internet whore is 100 percent legal last time I checked. Not sure why you get your panties all bunched up when people post things you don't agree with. Put on your big girl panties and deal with it.

chronig · 09-04-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by seanchai

I'm not going to get into this too much, or debate it too much as frankly, it seems that most of the people having a whine are the ones who don't really have that much to lose.

Are we going to stop piracy doing this? Absolutely not. There will always be piracy and there will always be people looking to get the content for free, these people will NEVER buy. This is an inevitable part of any business that creates a content that can be ripped off.
The problem is when potential buyers find it easier to steal content than to buy it. These lawsuits are just part of our overall strategy to go after content thieves and hopefully drive them further underground, so that those potential buyers, find it easier to go to the actual websites rather than take the risk of stealing or jumping through loops to steal it. We have other initiatives going on against the uploaders, this is specific to bit torrent downloaders.

What does Grooby hope to accomplish from this? Both a new potential revenue stream and the threat of what may happen, if you continue to poach our content.

Let's see what happens when 100 people get a legal notice stating our intention to sue, and publicize the legal action we're taking against them for downloading illegally:
"SHEMALE-MIDGET-DEEP-ANAL-FUCK-ORGY.WMV", before being so negative about the outcome. If it fails, nothing ventured, nothing gained but at least we're trying to work at this and we will find a solution instead of sitting around whining about the profits dropping.

Wow - when you put it in that respect... it looks like it's time to get into the SHEMALE MIDGET DEEP ANAL FUCK ORGY niche

...

JaneB · 09-04-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Oso

Hey now.

LOL If they legalize hookers I will support them

crazytrini85 · 09-04-2010, 05:22 PM

Those of you being negative are complete idiots.

There are visionaries who blaze the way and create the future and then there are followers who are too chicken shit to ever try anything on their own and only find fault in what the leaders do. This thread clearly shows who is who.

xholly · 09-04-2010, 06:50 PM

Love you guys, other programs get on board please

ottopottomouse · 09-05-2010, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chronig

I have no idea what the fuck you are trying to say here

Nuking one site and scaring its members won't create mass fear of being caught. Sharing forums are a bit like individual religions - members of one aren't encouraged to know all about others for fear of them liking a different one better.

Yes you can profit from the pay up or we will tell your wife you like midget trannies (should have got a more understanding wife) but that only affects the few who are caught out. There is so much available for free I find it hard to believe that they then start properly joining sites as well instead of being a bit more careful with their downloading.

TheMaster · 09-05-2010, 05:56 AM

Stupid and lazy approach, it's stupid when music companies sue random downloaders, so also when adult does it.

Go after the providers of the pirated content, go after the torrent sites, rapidshare blogs, go after the guys ripping all of it, ... half of the time they are enrolled in affiliate programs to promote other adult stuff, so it's not that hard to figure out who they are.

Sponsors should start with banning their your own affiliates doing this, take down the ton of illegal content on the tubes, ... instead of destroying random ordinary people's life.

TheMaster · 09-05-2010, 06:17 AM

The result of this will be lawsuits against single moms working 3 jobs, who's 16 yo son wanted to see Jordan Capri naked and you won't be one step further to solving the problem (as examples in music industry have shown us).

GO AFTER THE SUPPLY (also a far smaller number of people), as long as someone is (easily) providing it people will take it, it's the same approach that let US prisons be full with drug users and has this done anything to temper drug use?

Fabien · 09-05-2010, 08:41 AM

Is this the first time someone actually tries something about it ?
If so, GO STEVE GO !

Awesome !

TheMaster · 09-05-2010, 09:40 AM

I can see the stories on Fox News already: porn industry suing hard working Americans!!!

I'd much rather see stories on AVN or Xbiz saying how Steve took down some big file sharing blogs, forums and tubes.

Robbie · 09-05-2010, 09:49 AM

TheMaster, we all have tried that. The tubes and bit torrents can't be "taken down" as the laws are written archaically and favor them. Don't you think we would have nailed them a long time ago?

As far as "suing hard working Americans" ... BULLSHIT

What is being done is nailing fucking assholes who put up the content for free and destroy the porn business.

I am a "hard working American" and I'm going to make my money. Fuck a thief.

The current DMCA laws leave us no choice in how to approach this. Legally we can't touch the torrent sites or tube sites or any pirate site as long as they accept us sending them a dmca to take down a video.

And yeah, it would be a lot better it you could just write them and ask them to take ALL your stuff down and please never post it again.

But that isn't how it works. You have to ask them to take down each video individually. And they just put it right back up again an hour later. And you have to write them again, and again, and again.

Now multiply that by a thousand tubes and torrents.

You keep posting about this like you have some sort of agenda. Well, so do I. My agenda is to nail every fucking person that steals from me.

dyna mo · 09-05-2010, 09:52 AM

robbie, have any of the settlements you've received so far been from the 3 job working moms of 16 year olds?

Robbie · 09-05-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

robbie, have any of the settlements you've received so far been from the 3 job working moms of 16 year olds?

Nope. Not one. 16 year olds don't buy porn memberships. They surf tubes and see it all free.

will76 · 09-05-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

I have to chime in here and talk a bit about the money involved.

In 2009 I spent around $25,000.00 to take down the pirate site known as WorldPlagiates.com / WP-Board.com

You can read my long ass blog about it here:

http://wp-board.com/

Just like some people are saying in this thread -- I was told it was a money losing deal and a waste of time.

Wrong -- it was a hugely successful investment!

In the first 9 months after the board shut down and I got all the records and logs I settled with the traders for $147,500.00 in various cases ranging from as little as $250.00 to as high as $25,000.00.

This -- my friends -- was done with total legal bills of about $1000.00. Correct, almost no lawyer involvement at all, except the drafting of a settlement agreement template, and him taking a call or two from media types.

That in and of itself makes it profitable to go after people if you have a way to absolutely prove what they did.

It would surprise you who some of the assholes are stealing stuff and / or posting to boards. In the WP settlements we had a lawyer from Orlando, a real estate investor from Boston, and many others. Three of the guys took just 1-3 days to pay me $25,000.00 each... they clearly had the money to join hundreds of sites, but selected to steal and be sort of covert.

But, thats not the end of the profit story...

My main website slowly started increasing the average number of subscribers over the next few months (June 2009 to October 2009). In October 2009 it set its all time record for the total number of paid subscribers at one time. It did that in the "bad economy" that has seen many programs shut down, or people leave the business.

The only reason my 8 year old site would be growing at that time would be because they wanted the style of content I have and couldn't get it for free on the WP board. There is no other reason my site grew in that time period.

My September and October 2009 daily subscriber average was about 550 above what it had been for many, many months prior to taking down WP. That means a bit over $16,000.00 each of those two months / about $33,000.00 total that I attribute to taking down the WP boards.

But the story doesn't end there.... I don't only sell memberships. I also offer DVDs, and sales for them went up a bunch in that same time frame.

Plus -- as all businessmen that use "long term thinking" would know -- its not just getting them to pay once that counts, its getting them to pay month after month after month.

My average daily subscribers is up around 250 for each of the last 14 months (since taking down WP) when compared to the 14 months prior to that. This means of course -- once they couldn't get content for free, they paid and many of them (the new customers / former WP downloaders) decided to stay.

The WP cases are not done. I've waited months for a certain lawyer to get his act in gear after major medical issues and it hasn't happened. Just last week we changed lawyers and expect to file suits in October against the last 12 guys that have money, but selected not to settle. More income for me!

There is one HUGE difference between going after a music trader like the RIIA did, and going after a person trading pretty girl images or videos, gay images or videos, TS videos or images, etc. Nude, Non-Nude, Hardcore or super Softcore... Doesn't matter.

It is much harder for the defendant to explain to his wife, children, co-workers and others that he was trading these materials.

Telling the wife that he just downloaded a song or two might be OK.

Telling the wife he illegally downloaded GBs of photos and videos of Jordan Capri is an entirely different story.

I had one guy call me within 2 days of posting his name online and FedEx me a cashier's check for $25,000.00 just to get his name off the WP blog before his family found out.

The embarrassment factor puts Steve and his legal team in a strong position. I read the entire suit and various affidavits and such and they are in a great position to make this a winning / profitable venture!

Jimmy

That's awesome.

will76 · 09-05-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Maybe the ones who settle fast also are afraid to buy? They do not want their wife or bank to see their creditcard statement and email spam, instead they download free?

Pirates do not deserve that privacy but paying customers do. This industry also have to take that seriously because one thing leads to another. A bad circle can't be broken by creating it. I'm really amazed by all the spam I get after doing test signups

It's really easy to get a prepaid visa card if you need to do something without someone else in your family knowing about it.

Not to mention most of the people in question here are signing up to porn sites but then stealing the content and then putting it on torrents or tube sites.

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Originally Posted by TheMaster

The result of this will be lawsuits against single moms working 3 jobs, who's 16 yo son wanted to see Jordan Capri naked and you won't be one step further to solving the problem (as examples in music industry have shown us).

GO AFTER THE SUPPLY (also a far smaller number of people), as long as someone is (easily) providing it people will take it, it's the same approach that let US prisons be full with drug users and has this done anything to temper drug use?

I think you are confused, this is against the people who are uploading porn, not downloading it. The people uploading it is the supply. If the uploaders stop then the site is empty and there is nothing to download. I don't believe they are sueing people who downloaded (watched) it, just the people who got it from their site (or other people who was a member of their site) and then decided to upload it and give away something they stole.

Nathan · 09-05-2010, 01:21 PM

Robbie,

what you do is different compared to what lightspeed and such are doing! Please do not mix shit up... YOU are tagging content so you know who UPLOADED it in the first place after ripping it from your sites!!! This is _NOT_ what lightspeed et al are doing!!

At least the articles and everything in this thread scream they are not.. What they are doing is suing people that DOWNLOADED it from torrents.

Now, first of all, obviously I will get stupid replies because of who I am, but I will give you my opinion anyway... when reading it, please do not forget that I am one of the biggest content owners on the web, not only the 5000 or so Mofos and Brazzers scenes, but I also own the rights to over 160000 amateur clips (yes, 160 thousand)...

I can basically completely understand why Steve et al are doing this. It seems like a great way to make some extra cash from the assholes out there pirating the content. Point taken.

My fear is two fold:
1) Just like was mentioned here, this WILL result in families being fucked because their son downloaded porn from some torrent. (It happened in the RIAA cases often enough)
2) We all know our industry... and the shady characters in it... how long until some site owner figures out, that its much easier to extort $500 from canceled members by filing false lawsuits than it is to make them retain for $500 worth of rebills?

I can see the headlines already... let's just hope this does not work that well that people are deciding that its much easier to make money by suing people for "pirated content" than it is to actually run a site...

SteveLightspeed · 09-05-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Now, first of all, obviously I will get stupid replies because of who I am

Holy shit, do I have to be the one to say it first? Brazzers is the shadiest company on the net. Please don't preach about ethics. Nathan, if you want to stand tall, then immediately REMOVE ALL UNLICENSED CONTENT FROM YOUR TUBE SITES, and stop fucking the entire industry!

Steve Lightspeed

crazytrini85 · 09-05-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

please do not forget that I am one of the biggest content owners on the web, not only the 5000 or so Mofos and Brazzers scenes, but I also own the rights to over 160000 amateur clips (yes, 160 thousand)...

160k on top of everything you pricks have stolen.... which is probably double that of what you actually own. That's a big fucking library of content.

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Originally Posted by Nathan

I can basically completely understand why Steve et al are doing this. It seems like a great way to make some extra cash from the assholes out there pirating the content.

I had to read this part like 7 times. Incredible statement coming from one of the biggest pirate companies online. I like you. You have big balls.

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Originally Posted by Nathan

My fear is two fold:
1) Just like was mentioned here, this WILL result in families being fucked because their son downloaded porn from some torrent. (It happened in the RIAA cases often enough)

What about the families you helped ruin while creating a place online where everyone can get porn for free, crushing a lot of the little guys? You don't like you fucked people up and caused many to lose money?

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Originally Posted by Nathan

2) We all know our industry... and the shady characters in it...

Again, had to read that a few times.

Did you have a brain fart and totally forget what company you just bought? That company is partly responsible for the piracy issues today. You guys are one of the biggest pirates online shy of a few torrents. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

But I love that you post here and act like you're just one of the guys. For that, I do like you and respect the fact that you came up and could afford to buy this company, even if I don't agree with its business practices.

The Ghost · 09-05-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Robbie,

what you do is different compared to what lightspeed and such are doing! Please do not mix shit up... YOU are tagging content so you know who UPLOADED it in the first place after ripping it from your sites!!! This is _NOT_ what lightspeed et al are doing!!

At least the articles and everything in this thread scream they are not.. What they are doing is suing people that DOWNLOADED it from torrents.

Now, first of all, obviously I will get stupid replies because of who I am, but I will give you my opinion anyway... when reading it, please do not forget that I am one of the biggest content owners on the web, not only the 5000 or so Mofos and Brazzers scenes, but I also own the rights to over 160000 amateur clips (yes, 160 thousand)...

I can basically completely understand why Steve et al are doing this. It seems like a great way to make some extra cash from the assholes out there pirating the content. Point taken.

My fear is two fold:
1) Just like was mentioned here, this WILL result in families being fucked because their son downloaded porn from some torrent. (It happened in the RIAA cases often enough)
2) We all know our industry... and the shady characters in it... how long until some site owner figures out, that its much easier to extort $500 from canceled members by filing false lawsuits than it is to make them retain for $500 worth of rebills?

I can see the headlines already... let's just hope this does not work that well that people are deciding that its much easier to make money by suing people for "pirated content" than it is to actually run a site...

Parents are responsible for their kids.

Nathan · 09-05-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by crazytrini85

160k on top of everything you pricks have stolen.... which is probably double that of what you actually own. That's a big fucking library of content.

I had to read this part like 7 times. Incredible statement coming from one of the biggest pirate companies online. I like you. You have big balls.

What about the families you helped ruin while creating a place online where everyone can get porn for free, crushing a lot of the little guys? You don't like you fucked people up and caused many to lose money?

Again, had to read that a few times.

Did you have a brain fart and totally forget what company you just bought? That company is partly responsible for the piracy issues today. You guys are one of the biggest pirates online shy of a few torrents. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

But I love that you post here and act like you're just one of the guys. For that, I do like you and respect the fact that you came up and could afford to buy this company, even if I don't agree with its business practices.

crazytrini85,

I am sorry we disagree on a few basic facts regarding some of the sites I own, but its a useless discussion here since this is not what it is about... I am not going to derail this thread... I do not particularly like it when someone calls me a thief since I have not stolen anything ever in my life... if you want to discuss stuff with me, please stay with the facts and accept how certain laws on this planet work... if you want to just yell and complain, continue in the way you started your post... if you want to discuss... actually reply to my comments...

My concern was genuine and I will repeat my opinion if I have to... I find it is an obviously interesting way to make additional money with copyrights, but I did not like it when RIAA started suing kids and other downloaders and I am not going to like anyone else suing such people either. I have absolutely no problem with suing the people that upload the content, be my guest... but suing the people that download it is just fucked up in my opinion and might cause a backlash for everyone involved.

What Robbie for example is doing as far as I understand is very intelligent and an actual way to fight the piracy. Making sure people that upload infringing content are caught is a logical thing to do. But using uploaded content in a way to fuck people that download it...

How about this...

What if some companies start seeding their videos on torrents themselves and then sue everyone that downloads them? Considering that most of these if any never go to court, its one great way to make money, no? Heck, start a tube that does that...

Nobody here is in my opinion seeing what this might lead to...

spunky99 · 09-05-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

That's awesome.

ya so awsome, ask him what site's he runs..

TheMaster · 09-05-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

TheMaster, we all have tried that. The tubes and bit torrents can't be "taken down" as the laws are written archaically and favor them. Don't you think we would have nailed them a long time ago?

then at least make their lives difficult as hell: flood their hosts with DMCA notices, some will even immediately block the content. You might not be able to bring down the biggest ones, but a lot if not most of medium sized ones will cave.

Also stop letting them be affiliates, sponsors have been turning a blind eye to this for years.
Over the years I've contacted a ton of the sponsors who's members area content was put on sites by their own affiliates, at least 50% of the time nothing was done. Even Playboy Legal didn't suspend an affiliate who had basicully put the whole Cyber Club member's area online.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

As far as "suing hard working Americans" ... BULLSHIT

What is being done is nailing fucking assholes who put up the content for free and destroy the porn business.

look I'm just saying that's how they'll spin it
and yes I agree if they would sue the guys who put up all this content, it would be great, but randomly (that's what's in the article says) suing people who downloaded it, no.
Go after the ones who are sharing a whole bunch of content, not the one who downloaded some of the content and don't share it after they downloaded it

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I am a "hard working American" and I'm going to make my money. Fuck a thief.

The current DMCA laws leave us no choice in how to approach this. Legally we can't touch the torrent sites or tube sites or any pirate site as long as they accept us sending them a dmca to take down a video.

okay, say they sent the DMCA notices, why don't they sue them after the torrent site didn't take down the torrent, I search Tawnee Stone on isohunt for instance, some stuff has been on there for 200-300 days

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Originally Posted by Robbie

And yeah, it would be a lot better it you could just write them and ask them to take ALL your stuff down and please never post it again.

But that isn't how it works. You have to ask them to take down each video individually. And they just put it right back up again an hour later. And you have to write them again, and again, and again.

Now multiply that by a thousand tubes and torrents.

You keep posting about this like you have some sort of agenda. Well, so do I. My agenda is to nail every fucking person that steals from me.

sent the DMCA to their hosts, much more effective (Paris from Play With Paris is doing it this way)

no agenda, just goes against my perception of fairness, going after little consumers, because you can't or won't go after the big providers, hell no, go after the pirates, we've heard enough horror stories about when RIAA did this

and again: clean up your affiliates

SteveLightspeed · 09-05-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

I have absolutely no problem with suing the people that upload the content, be my guest...

Great, so will you provide me with the IPs of the people that uploaded my content to your tube sites?

Actions speak louder than words.

Steve Lightspeed

TheMaster · 09-05-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I think you are confused, this is against the people who are uploading porn, not downloading it. The people uploading it is the supply. If the uploaders stop then the site is empty and there is nothing to download. I don't believe they are sueing people who downloaded (watched) it, just the people who got it from their site (or other people who was a member of their site) and then decided to upload it and give away something they stole.

I hope you're right, but the article says:

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targeting bit torrent users who allegedly downloaded their works.
The trio of federal lawsuits, all filed by Chicago attorney John Steele, name hundreds of unnamed surfers who may have downloaded a rainbow assortment of films, from solo girl to tranny content, within the past two weeks.

Nathan · 09-05-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Great, so will you provide me with the IPs of the people that uploaded my content to your tube sites?

Actions speak louder than words.

Steve Lightspeed

Steve,

We can provide what we store if we legally are allowed to provide it, I am no lawyer so I can not say what is required, but as far as I know a subpoena is, even under DMCA law data can not be given out until its subpoena'd.

This might sound stupid to you, but that's how it is. Obviously we provide you with the data we are legally allowed and/or required to give.

Nathan · 09-05-2010, 02:23 PM

Steve,

do answer me one thing.. are you suing the people _DOWNLOADING_ things from torrents are are you suing people that UPLOAD (seed) them?

SteveLightspeed · 09-05-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMaster

I hope you're right, but the article says:

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targeting bit torrent users who allegedly downloaded their works.
The trio of federal lawsuits, all filed by Chicago attorney John Steele, name hundreds of unnamed surfers who may have downloaded a rainbow assortment of films, from solo girl to tranny content, within the past two weeks.

I think its more accurate to say we are going after people SHARING our copyrighted work.

Nathan · 09-05-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I think its more accurate to say we are going after people SHARING our copyrighted work.

Ok, but is this including people that just because of the nature of torrents are seeding parts of the files? Or are actively seeding only for a certain amount of time and/or providing trackers to it?

TheMaster · 09-05-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I think its more accurate to say we are going after people SHARING our copyrighted work.

thing is with torrents that while you're downloading it, you're also sharing it, so are you going after people who did this and stop seeding or are you going after people who keep seeding it after they downloaded it?

SteveLightspeed · 09-05-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Steve,

We can provide what we store if we legally are allowed to provide it, I am no lawyer so I can not say what is required, but as far as I know a subpoena is, even under DMCA law data can not be given out until its subpoena'd.

This might sound stupid to you, but that's how it is. Obviously we provide you with the data we are legally allowed and/or required to give.

Since tubes use the DMCA law claiming they are HOSTS, I would expect you should have to keep logs of people who upload to your sites. Thanks for the ideas, subpoenas will be forthcoming.

Steve Lightspeed

Nathan · 09-05-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Since tubes use the DMCA law claiming they are HOSTS, I would expect you should have to keep logs of people who upload to your sites. Thanks for the ideas, subpoenas will be forthcoming.

Steve Lightspeed

Looking forward to them...

and to the answers to my other questions ;)

09-04-2010, 12:50 PM	#102
DatingGold $6 PER EMAIL JOiN Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: California Posts: 13,185	It's going to be very hard to prove it was the actual person you are suing. But I guess if you settle before having to prove it then you're golden. __________________ 9 Years of SOLID payouts and conversions! ADULT DATING - $100 PPS LIVE CAMS - $214 PPS WWW.DATINGGOLD.COM ICQ: 27442303

09-04-2010, 01:30 PM	#108
mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	I don't get why people respond negatively to these threads. To think piracy is some new, unbeatable monster makes you look silly. Piracy is simply a crime, just like any other crime. You never totally stop a certain type of crime, but you manage it. Take auto theft for example. Cars still get stolen but by using criminal prosecutions, security devices, and consumer education, etc., you can manage it so that your car isn't stolen every time you turn around. Same with piracy. You simply treat it like any other criminal activity and use a multifaceted approach to managing it to a reasonable level. If you're going to wait around for one magic thing to stop piracy, you'll wait forever. The world doesn't work like that. It's things like what Steve(s) and Robbie are doing that will bring piracy down to a manageable level. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

09-04-2010, 01:38 PM	#109
TeenCat Too lazy to set a koala Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CZ/EU forever! Posts: 16,136	yeah, finally, it had to come and excelent work from lightspeed, grooby and harddrive, keep it up and lets go to the win! your links are comming all around my network in few days! __________________ 6bot / Coming again very soon! Svit Zlin Radio 24/7!

09-04-2010, 02:05 PM	#115
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Maybe the ones who settle fast also are afraid to buy? They do not want their wife or bank to see their creditcard statement and email spam, instead they download free? Pirates do not deserve that privacy but paying customers do. This industry also have to take that seriously because one thing leads to another. A bad circle can't be broken by creating it. I'm really amazed by all the spam I get after doing test signups Last edited by Dirty Dane; 09-04-2010 at 02:06 PM..

09-04-2010, 03:41 PM	#116
seanchai A Grooby Guy Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 396	I'm not going to get into this too much, or debate it too much as frankly, it seems that most of the people having a whine are the ones who don't really have that much to lose. Are we going to stop piracy doing this? Absolutely not. There will always be piracy and there will always be people looking to get the content for free, these people will NEVER buy. This is an inevitable part of any business that creates a content that can be ripped off. The problem is when potential buyers find it easier to steal content than to buy it. These lawsuits are just part of our overall strategy to go after content thieves and hopefully drive them further underground, so that those potential buyers, find it easier to go to the actual websites rather than take the risk of stealing or jumping through loops to steal it. We have other initiatives going on against the uploaders, this is specific to bit torrent downloaders. What does Grooby hope to accomplish from this? Both a new potential revenue stream and the threat of what may happen, if you continue to poach our content. Let's see what happens when 100 people get a legal notice stating our intention to sue, and publicize the legal action we're taking against them for downloading illegally: "SHEMALE-MIDGET-DEEP-ANAL-FUCK-ORGY.WMV", before being so negative about the outcome. If it fails, nothing ventured, nothing gained but at least we're trying to work at this and we will find a solution instead of sitting around whining about the profits dropping. __________________ Kimber James ... Japanese Shemales ... Black Shemales ... ... Brazilian Shemales ... Tgirls.com legal shemale tube site ... Worldclass Shemales ... Shemale Porn Hardcore ... Shemale Site Reviews

09-04-2010, 01:01 PM	#103
bjlover Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 514	some of you are fucking stupid It doesnt matter if he never makes a cent, it doesnt even really matter if he can prove they downloaded anything. Do you thenk the average man wants his wife, mum, friends knowing he has been downloading porn. A letter through the door will be enough to scare people shitless. This combined with publicity would be enough to stop many users using torrents

09-04-2010, 01:05 PM	#104
D Ghost null Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	Kudos to you guys!

09-04-2010, 03:43 PM	#118
AdPatron No commissions, no fees. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 17,706	Steve can suck it.

09-04-2010, 05:22 PM	#123
crazytrini85 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Over there. Posts: 817	Those of you being negative are complete idiots. There are visionaries who blaze the way and create the future and then there are followers who are too chicken shit to ever try anything on their own and only find fault in what the leaders do. This thread clearly shows who is who. __________________ These are my top converting sponsors.

09-04-2010, 06:50 PM	#124
xholly Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 817	Love you guys, other programs get on board please

09-05-2010, 05:56 AM	#126
TheMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prague Posts: 2,732	Stupid and lazy approach, it's stupid when music companies sue random downloaders, so also when adult does it. Go after the providers of the pirated content, go after the torrent sites, rapidshare blogs, go after the guys ripping all of it, ... half of the time they are enrolled in affiliate programs to promote other adult stuff, so it's not that hard to figure out who they are. Sponsors should start with banning their your own affiliates doing this, take down the ton of illegal content on the tubes, ... instead of destroying random ordinary people's life. __________________ Promote Chaturbate Free Cams

09-05-2010, 06:17 AM	#127
TheMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prague Posts: 2,732	The result of this will be lawsuits against single moms working 3 jobs, who's 16 yo son wanted to see Jordan Capri naked and you won't be one step further to solving the problem (as examples in music industry have shown us). GO AFTER THE SUPPLY (also a far smaller number of people), as long as someone is (easily) providing it people will take it, it's the same approach that let US prisons be full with drug users and has this done anything to temper drug use? __________________ Promote Chaturbate Free Cams

09-05-2010, 08:41 AM	#128
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Is this the first time someone actually tries something about it ? If so, GO STEVE GO ! Awesome !

09-05-2010, 09:40 AM	#129
TheMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prague Posts: 2,732	I can see the stories on Fox News already: porn industry suing hard working Americans!!! I'd much rather see stories on AVN or Xbiz saying how Steve took down some big file sharing blogs, forums and tubes. __________________ Promote Chaturbate Free Cams

09-05-2010, 09:49 AM	#130
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,841	TheMaster, we all have tried that. The tubes and bit torrents can't be "taken down" as the laws are written archaically and favor them. Don't you think we would have nailed them a long time ago? As far as "suing hard working Americans" ... BULLSHIT What is being done is nailing fucking assholes who put up the content for free and destroy the porn business. I am a "hard working American" and I'm going to make my money. Fuck a thief. The current DMCA laws leave us no choice in how to approach this. Legally we can't touch the torrent sites or tube sites or any pirate site as long as they accept us sending them a dmca to take down a video. And yeah, it would be a lot better it you could just write them and ask them to take ALL your stuff down and please never post it again. But that isn't how it works. You have to ask them to take down each video individually. And they just put it right back up again an hour later. And you have to write them again, and again, and again. Now multiply that by a thousand tubes and torrents. You keep posting about this like you have some sort of agenda. Well, so do I. My agenda is to nail every fucking person that steals from me. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

09-05-2010, 09:52 AM	#131
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 60,350	robbie, have any of the settlements you've received so far been from the 3 job working moms of 16 year olds?

09-05-2010, 01:21 PM	#135
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Robbie, what you do is different compared to what lightspeed and such are doing! Please do not mix shit up... YOU are tagging content so you know who UPLOADED it in the first place after ripping it from your sites!!! This is _NOT_ what lightspeed et al are doing!! At least the articles and everything in this thread scream they are not.. What they are doing is suing people that DOWNLOADED it from torrents. Now, first of all, obviously I will get stupid replies because of who I am, but I will give you my opinion anyway... when reading it, please do not forget that I am one of the biggest content owners on the web, not only the 5000 or so Mofos and Brazzers scenes, but I also own the rights to over 160000 amateur clips (yes, 160 thousand)... I can basically completely understand why Steve et al are doing this. It seems like a great way to make some extra cash from the assholes out there pirating the content. Point taken. My fear is two fold: 1) Just like was mentioned here, this WILL result in families being fucked because their son downloaded porn from some torrent. (It happened in the RIAA cases often enough) 2) We all know our industry... and the shady characters in it... how long until some site owner figures out, that its much easier to extort $500 from canceled members by filing false lawsuits than it is to make them retain for $500 worth of rebills? I can see the headlines already... let's just hope this does not work that well that people are deciding that its much easier to make money by suing people for "pirated content" than it is to actually run a site... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

09-05-2010, 02:23 PM	#145
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Steve, do answer me one thing.. are you suing the people _DOWNLOADING_ things from torrents are are you suing people that UPLOAD (seed) them? __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger