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EXAMPLE: If they are hooked on Jordan Capri, and can't get it free, they will pay. In my case -- and Steve's -- we are not talking about over saturated or generic European girl naked content that can be found any place. We are talking about specific models / content that can't be found on 100s of other sites. Some models can be seen all over the place -- some models, or content styles are more rare.
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It's going to be very hard to prove it was the actual person you are suing. But I guess if you settle before having to prove it then you're golden.
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some of you are fucking stupid
It doesnt matter if he never makes a cent, it doesnt even really matter if he can prove they downloaded anything. Do you thenk the average man wants his wife, mum, friends knowing he has been downloading porn. A letter through the door will be enough to scare people shitless. This combined with publicity would be enough to stop many users using torrents |
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The less said, the better.
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For the most part I think the goal here is to regain paying subscribers that turned to pirating over the years of it becoming such easy access.... and after an incident like the WP Board, or hopefully Lightspeed's case, it shouldn't be a hard sell. I don't think anyone expects people that have always pirated to suddenly start paying |
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I don't get why people respond negatively to these threads.
To think piracy is some new, unbeatable monster makes you look silly. Piracy is simply a crime, just like any other crime. You never totally stop a certain type of crime, but you manage it. Take auto theft for example. Cars still get stolen but by using criminal prosecutions, security devices, and consumer education, etc., you can manage it so that your car isn't stolen every time you turn around. Same with piracy. You simply treat it like any other criminal activity and use a multifaceted approach to managing it to a reasonable level. If you're going to wait around for one magic thing to stop piracy, you'll wait forever. The world doesn't work like that. It's things like what Steve(s) and Robbie are doing that will bring piracy down to a manageable level.
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yeah, finally, it had to come and excelent work from lightspeed, grooby and harddrive, keep it up and lets go to the win! your links are comming all around my network in few days!
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If people didn't steal they wouldn't be sued and have to pay up. Can wait to see this unfold, it's been the best way IMO for sites to handle this for 3 years but no one has tried it... until now.
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Downloaders just move site or are already on many sites taking stuff. Uploaders seem to have a favourite site to post on. Out of the many sharing forums (which all seem to operate a similar policy to here of don't post other sites) i'd be surprised if there was even mass knowledge of WP-Board outside of it's members.
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you drink your own kool aid too much. what an idiot/ Don't steal content if you don't want your "priacy" violated... LMAO privacy rights....
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Awe too bad, poor little content thief gets exposed for stealing PORN.
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Maybe the ones who settle fast also are afraid to buy? They do not want their wife or bank to see their creditcard statement and email spam, instead they download free?
Pirates do not deserve that privacy but paying customers do. This industry also have to take that seriously because one thing leads to another. A bad circle can't be broken by creating it. I'm really amazed by all the spam I get after doing test signups |
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I'm not going to get into this too much, or debate it too much as frankly, it seems that most of the people having a whine are the ones who don't really have that much to lose.
Are we going to stop piracy doing this? Absolutely not. There will always be piracy and there will always be people looking to get the content for free, these people will NEVER buy. This is an inevitable part of any business that creates a content that can be ripped off. The problem is when potential buyers find it easier to steal content than to buy it. These lawsuits are just part of our overall strategy to go after content thieves and hopefully drive them further underground, so that those potential buyers, find it easier to go to the actual websites rather than take the risk of stealing or jumping through loops to steal it. We have other initiatives going on against the uploaders, this is specific to bit torrent downloaders. What does Grooby hope to accomplish from this? Both a new potential revenue stream and the threat of what may happen, if you continue to poach our content. Let's see what happens when 100 people get a legal notice stating our intention to sue, and publicize the legal action we're taking against them for downloading illegally: "SHEMALE-MIDGET-DEEP-ANAL-FUCK-ORGY.WMV", before being so negative about the outcome. If it fails, nothing ventured, nothing gained but at least we're trying to work at this and we will find a solution instead of sitting around whining about the profits dropping.
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Those of you being negative are complete idiots.
There are visionaries who blaze the way and create the future and then there are followers who are too chicken shit to ever try anything on their own and only find fault in what the leaders do. This thread clearly shows who is who.
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Nuking one site and scaring its members won't create mass fear of being caught. Sharing forums are a bit like individual religions - members of one aren't encouraged to know all about others for fear of them liking a different one better.
Yes you can profit from the pay up or we will tell your wife you like midget trannies (should have got a more understanding wife) but that only affects the few who are caught out. There is so much available for free I find it hard to believe that they then start properly joining sites as well instead of being a bit more careful with their downloading.
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Stupid and lazy approach, it's stupid when music companies sue random downloaders, so also when adult does it.
Go after the providers of the pirated content, go after the torrent sites, rapidshare blogs, go after the guys ripping all of it, ... half of the time they are enrolled in affiliate programs to promote other adult stuff, so it's not that hard to figure out who they are. Sponsors should start with banning their your own affiliates doing this, take down the ton of illegal content on the tubes, ... instead of destroying random ordinary people's life.
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The result of this will be lawsuits against single moms working 3 jobs, who's 16 yo son wanted to see Jordan Capri naked and you won't be one step further to solving the problem (as examples in music industry have shown us).
GO AFTER THE SUPPLY (also a far smaller number of people), as long as someone is (easily) providing it people will take it, it's the same approach that let US prisons be full with drug users and has this done anything to temper drug use?
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Is this the first time someone actually tries something about it ?
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I can see the stories on Fox News already: porn industry suing hard working Americans!!!
I'd much rather see stories on AVN or Xbiz saying how Steve took down some big file sharing blogs, forums and tubes.
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TheMaster, we all have tried that. The tubes and bit torrents can't be "taken down" as the laws are written archaically and favor them. Don't you think we would have nailed them a long time ago?
As far as "suing hard working Americans" ... BULLSHIT What is being done is nailing fucking assholes who put up the content for free and destroy the porn business. I am a "hard working American" and I'm going to make my money. Fuck a thief. The current DMCA laws leave us no choice in how to approach this. Legally we can't touch the torrent sites or tube sites or any pirate site as long as they accept us sending them a dmca to take down a video. And yeah, it would be a lot better it you could just write them and ask them to take ALL your stuff down and please never post it again. But that isn't how it works. You have to ask them to take down each video individually. And they just put it right back up again an hour later. And you have to write them again, and again, and again. Now multiply that by a thousand tubes and torrents. You keep posting about this like you have some sort of agenda. Well, so do I. My agenda is to nail every fucking person that steals from me. |
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robbie, have any of the settlements you've received so far been from the 3 job working moms of 16 year olds?
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Nope. Not one. 16 year olds don't buy porn memberships. They surf tubes and see it all free.
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Not to mention most of the people in question here are signing up to porn sites but then stealing the content and then putting it on torrents or tube sites. Quote:
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what you do is different compared to what lightspeed and such are doing! Please do not mix shit up... YOU are tagging content so you know who UPLOADED it in the first place after ripping it from your sites!!! This is _NOT_ what lightspeed et al are doing!! At least the articles and everything in this thread scream they are not.. What they are doing is suing people that DOWNLOADED it from torrents. Now, first of all, obviously I will get stupid replies because of who I am, but I will give you my opinion anyway... when reading it, please do not forget that I am one of the biggest content owners on the web, not only the 5000 or so Mofos and Brazzers scenes, but I also own the rights to over 160000 amateur clips (yes, 160 thousand)... I can basically completely understand why Steve et al are doing this. It seems like a great way to make some extra cash from the assholes out there pirating the content. Point taken. My fear is two fold: 1) Just like was mentioned here, this WILL result in families being fucked because their son downloaded porn from some torrent. (It happened in the RIAA cases often enough) 2) We all know our industry... and the shady characters in it... how long until some site owner figures out, that its much easier to extort $500 from canceled members by filing false lawsuits than it is to make them retain for $500 worth of rebills? I can see the headlines already... let's just hope this does not work that well that people are deciding that its much easier to make money by suing people for "pirated content" than it is to actually run a site...
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Again, had to read that a few times. Did you have a brain fart and totally forget what company you just bought? That company is partly responsible for the piracy issues today. You guys are one of the biggest pirates online shy of a few torrents. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. But I love that you post here and act like you're just one of the guys. For that, I do like you and respect the fact that you came up and could afford to buy this company, even if I don't agree with its business practices.
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I am sorry we disagree on a few basic facts regarding some of the sites I own, but its a useless discussion here since this is not what it is about... I am not going to derail this thread... I do not particularly like it when someone calls me a thief since I have not stolen anything ever in my life... if you want to discuss stuff with me, please stay with the facts and accept how certain laws on this planet work... if you want to just yell and complain, continue in the way you started your post... if you want to discuss... actually reply to my comments... My concern was genuine and I will repeat my opinion if I have to... I find it is an obviously interesting way to make additional money with copyrights, but I did not like it when RIAA started suing kids and other downloaders and I am not going to like anyone else suing such people either. I have absolutely no problem with suing the people that upload the content, be my guest... but suing the people that download it is just fucked up in my opinion and might cause a backlash for everyone involved. What Robbie for example is doing as far as I understand is very intelligent and an actual way to fight the piracy. Making sure people that upload infringing content are caught is a logical thing to do. But using uploaded content in a way to fuck people that download it... How about this... What if some companies start seeding their videos on torrents themselves and then sue everyone that downloads them? Considering that most of these if any never go to court, its one great way to make money, no? Heck, start a tube that does that... Nobody here is in my opinion seeing what this might lead to...
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Also stop letting them be affiliates, sponsors have been turning a blind eye to this for years. Over the years I've contacted a ton of the sponsors who's members area content was put on sites by their own affiliates, at least 50% of the time nothing was done. Even Playboy Legal didn't suspend an affiliate who had basicully put the whole Cyber Club member's area online. Quote:
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no agenda, just goes against my perception of fairness, going after little consumers, because you can't or won't go after the big providers, hell no, go after the pirates, we've heard enough horror stories about when RIAA did this and again: clean up your affiliates
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We can provide what we store if we legally are allowed to provide it, I am no lawyer so I can not say what is required, but as far as I know a subpoena is, even under DMCA law data can not be given out until its subpoena'd. This might sound stupid to you, but that's how it is. Obviously we provide you with the data we are legally allowed and/or required to give.
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do answer me one thing.. are you suing the people _DOWNLOADING_ things from torrents are are you suing people that UPLOAD (seed) them?
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Ok, but is this including people that just because of the nature of torrents are seeding parts of the files? Or are actively seeding only for a certain amount of time and/or providing trackers to it?
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thing is with torrents that while you're downloading it, you're also sharing it, so are you going after people who did this and stop seeding or are you going after people who keep seeding it after they downloaded it?
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