I used my epass card and it worked great.

[MoreMagic]

For all you webmasters that travel intercontinental by plane in the next view days, use your card to buy some nice things for your loved ones. Nobody complains there

[ContentPimp]

These jokes are getting really old. The card doesn't fucking work anywhere, because it can't communicate with the bank as visa has blocked network access.

[MoreMagic]

No joke here.

Originally Posted by tinafaye

These jokes are getting really old. The card doesn't fucking work anywhere, because it can't communicate with the bank as visa has blocked network access.

[beta-tester]

fail.... it's getting boring!

[janosik]

Originally Posted by MoreMagic

For all you webmasters that travel intercontinental by plane in the next view days, use your card to buy some nice things for your loved ones. Nobody complains there

[martinsc]

[MoreMagic]

fail for those that don't understand how this works.

[2intense]

Originally Posted by beta-tester

fail.... it's getting boring!

i agree

[RandyD]

Dumb cunt

[mikke]

boooooooring!!!!!!!

[Adraco]

This could, and I say COULD be a loophole. Since the airplanes never are connected to the ATM networks or the Merchant debit networks while in the air, they have no way of checking in real time.

And because sales onboard an airplane is done in the companies own monopoly store, since there is only one onboard, the profit margin on everything that's sold onboard is usually quite high. So normally it would make sene for the airline to just accept the cards as long as the amounts are a few houndreds just to make a sale. And then when they poll/empty the register machine back on the ground they will see a certain amount never went through. Then the airline will eat that loss themselves, because they still profit well enough from the other sales.

So in this case the airline assumes the credit risk, because the possible or expected value of each dollar spent is close to 1. And the loss margin is most probably less than the profit margin, which solves the equation for just about anyone.

"Take on a little bit more risk in return for making more sales - hmm - YES"

So as much as people shouldn't belive the ATM annoncement last night, I can not even believe people for one second belived such a thing, but this could very well be so as long as the amounts are fairly small, probably below $200 or maybe $300 worth. Then that's an aceptable risk for the airline.

The never ask for ID or pin number onboard the planes either, rarely even signature. This is because most people don't deny the charges, most are honest people. So to win some in usability and convenience for their staff onboard, the airline assumes the eventual credit loss risk.

It's after all a business and it makes perfect sense.

[MoreMagic]

I see that most webmasters don't even make enough to get into a plane. If you did you would knwo that most air companies don't do a live check on your card, they only verify you on the list. And guess what, Epasporte is not on the list yet ...

[seeandsee]

My ass is working, and it can shit a lot of shit!

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by Adraco

This could, and I say COULD be a loophole. Since the airplanes never are connected to the ATM networks or the Merchant debit networks while in the air, they have no way of checking in real time.

And because sales onboard an airplane is done in the companies own monopoly store, since there is only one onboard, the profit margin on everything that's sold onboard is usually quite high. So normally it would make sene for the airline to just accept the cards as long as the amounts are a few houndreds just to make a sale. And then when they poll/empty the register machine back on the ground they will see a certain amount never went through. Then the airline will eat that loss themselves, because they still profit well enough from the other sales.

So in this case the airline assumes the credit risk, because the possible or expected value of each dollar spent is close to 1. And the loss margin is most probably less than the profit margin, which solves the equation for just about anyone.

"Take on a little bit more risk in return for making more sales - hmm - YES"

So as much as people shouldn't belive the ATM annoncement last night, I can not even believe people for one second belived such a thing, but this could very well be so as long as the amounts are fairly small, probably below $200 or maybe $300 worth. Then that's an aceptable risk for the airline.

The never ask for ID or pin number onboard the planes either, rarely even signature. This is because most people don't deny the charges, most are honest people. So to win some in usability and convenience for their staff onboard, the airline assumes the eventual credit loss risk.

It's after all a business and it makes perfect sense.

There is just this one stupid thing... the airline will not eat anything, they will just make you pay for it later, they have all your info, including ID numbers and so on... they know exactly who gave them a non-working card.

[bloggerz]

Originally Posted by Adraco

This could, and I say COULD be a loophole. Since the airplanes never are connected to the ATM networks or the Merchant debit networks while in the air, they have no way of checking in real time.

And because sales onboard an airplane is done in the companies own monopoly store, since there is only one onboard, the profit margin on everything that's sold onboard is usually quite high. So normally it would make sene for the airline to just accept the cards as long as the amounts are a few houndreds just to make a sale. And then when they poll/empty the register machine back on the ground they will see a certain amount never went through. Then the airline will eat that loss themselves, because they still profit well enough from the other sales.

So in this case the airline assumes the credit risk, because the possible or expected value of each dollar spent is close to 1. And the loss margin is most probably less than the profit margin, which solves the equation for just about anyone.

"Take on a little bit more risk in return for making more sales - hmm - YES"

So as much as people shouldn't belive the ATM annoncement last night, I can not even believe people for one second belived such a thing, but this could very well be so as long as the amounts are fairly small, probably below $200 or maybe $300 worth. Then that's an aceptable risk for the airline.

The never ask for ID or pin number onboard the planes either, rarely even signature. This is because most people don't deny the charges, most are honest people. So to win some in usability and convenience for their staff onboard, the airline assumes the eventual credit loss risk.

It's after all a business and it makes perfect sense.

lol and how did you get on that seat on that plane where you are trying to commit fraud? with an ID....

[Adraco]

Originally Posted by Nathan

There is just this one stupid thing... the airline will not eat anything, they will just make you pay for it later, they have all your info, including ID numbers and so on... they know exactly who gave them a non-working card.

Given that it's your own name on the card, yes, then they could make it highly likely that it was you who gave it to them. But they do not punch in before the CC transaction what seat number you are on, so if you use your borther's card (or any other card for that matter) they do not check to verify your identity and if it correlates to the the name on the card.

They do this to save time and make life somewhat easier for their onboard personnel. Should the loss percentage go up, you bet they will start to ask for ID and signatures or even install live systems with pin codes. Until then, they will just eat whatever small amount that did not go through.

If you do not understand this and why, try signing up for a business class at your local community college.

[pornguy]

Not working international either.

[CaptainHowdy]

Alrighty then...

[Shap]

Post a screenshot of your account balance showing the withdrawl

[nickutis]

Originally Posted by Adraco

Given that it's your own name on the card, yes, then they could make it highly likely that it was you who gave it to them. But they do not punch in before the CC transaction what seat number you are on, so if you use your borther's card (or any other card for that matter) they do not check to verify your identity and if it correlates to the the name on the card.

They do this to save time and make life somewhat easier for their onboard personnel. Should the loss percentage go up, you bet they will start to ask for ID and signatures or even install live systems with pin codes. Until then, they will just eat whatever small amount that did not go through.

If you do not understand this and why, try signing up for a business class at your local community college.

What you offering here is nothing else than a carding with fake plastic card. It's a criminal offense and it's the same as stealing from someones pocket.
If you have problems with epassporte now and can't access money, doesn't mean that you can go and steal from other people, does it?

[quantum-x]

Right, planes batch CC transactions, so it's quite possible it'd work.
Same trick works with expired credit cards in a certain large canadian city in parking meters. Just so you know.

[mn]

it _will_ work on many planes since they often run in offline mode and batch the sales.

but it's not so easy to fly anonymously these days so expekt an invoice when they settle the transations.

[Jarmusch]

Originally Posted by MoreMagic

I see that most webmasters don't even make enough to get into a plane. If you did you would knwo that most air companies don't do a live check on your card, they only verify you on the list. And guess what, Epasporte is not on the list yet ...

Most people here are waiting for epass to work to pay the rent and buy food. Do you think they give a fuck about being able to buy bullshit gifts on a plane?

[Adraco]

Originally Posted by nickutis

What you offering here is nothing else than a carding with fake plastic card. It's a criminal offense and it's the same as stealing from someones pocket.
If you have problems with epassporte now and can't access money, doesn't mean that you can go and steal from other people, does it?

I have not done anything to condone stealing or promote carding. I have only elaborated on the matter at hand and laid out in plain text how and why it could possibly work. How you, or anyone else for that matter, use that information is up to you and your own moral.

I have only explained how airlines are able to accept credit and debit cards while in the air, and since their machines are not online they had two choices when implementing the system: either make it real hard to accept cards by taking ID and signature from all or simply just assume that the majority is and will be honest. So far, since they have continued the latter model, it seems to be working for them, don't you think?

Myself, I got all my money out of Epass wallet via a debit card withdrawal to my bank account, so I'm safe. Thanks for your concern though.

[tiger]

Ok so all I need to do is find a plane flight long enough to spend a few thousand dollars in flight and all will be even?

[lagcam]

Originally Posted by nickutis

What you offering here is nothing else than a carding with fake plastic card. It's a criminal offense and it's the same as stealing from someones pocket.
If you have problems with epassporte now and can't access money, doesn't mean that you can go and steal from other people, does it?

I disagree. Adraco was just explaining how the process works on board the plane to support the fact that technically moremagic's post could be correct.

Read again what he said. He wasn't condoning fraud or theft.

[BIGTYMER]

April Fools!

[Adraco]

Originally Posted by lagcam

I disagree. Adraco was just explaining how the process works on board the plane to support the fact that technically moremagic's post could be correct.

Read again what he said. He wasn't condoning fraud or theft.

Thanks for chiming in!

[LeivaMedia]

Originally Posted by Shap

Post a screenshot of your account balance showing the withdrawl

Do you know that Photoshop is amazing right?

Few fake screen shots yesterday was made that's why

now we don't trust in anything