Robbie

You don't have a lawyer. You don't even have a job! lol

And thedoc owns your ass. You will forever be thought of as his BITCH on GFY

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Dirty Dane

An existing law is not a prediction or an argument. You haven't mentioned which country and which law, no case, so your claim is not backed up by anything. If you knew about any country or any case, you would have told it by now. But you don't know.

kane

As I said, and you made my point for me. If the show DOES NOT air in the country then those people do not have the right to download it because they have nothing to timeshift.


So since there is no access shifting established, again, if it hasn't aired, they don't have the right to download it.



So you contradict yourself here. You say that access shifting hasn't been established, yet you think people should be allowed to access shift.

It is not public domain content. The owner of the content may wish to market to that country at a later date so the copyright owner should be allowed to protect their content if they see fit.

kane

Never mind who would be responsible for what. Clearly that is an argument that can't be resolved. But now you are saying he lied about receiving your email? This is insane. Again just show us proof that it was sent. You have been asked at least a dozen times and have yet to do so.

gideongallery

you just proved my point the entire thread was about making " changes" in your "day to day operations" that would allow you to exploit the new marketplace.

as i repeatedly pointed out the "put your shit on the tape cassette and sell in solution" that the vcr did.

i said

and you said



you agreed to handle all the day to day operations of the new version of the paysite (put your shit on a cassette tape version of paysite).

in fact that was on of the pre conditions i specifically said in the original quote.

so if i added a private tracker to the mix
you would have to maintain
submit the torrents, handle the dcma notices etc

if i added live interactivity you would have to manage it

if i change your shooting scripts so that product placement would work
you would have to shoot that content
deal with booking the models etc





re read it i had to produce 100 sales a day, if i could do it by just making a bunch of changes and then walking away you agreed that was OK.

so if i setup a private tracker properly

replaced your current dcma process with a dozen day to day operations for submitting those torrents to the torrent search engines sites and that new day to day operation generated 100 sales a day.

that would constitute making a change walking away and still producing 100 sale a day.


that the point in the first thread you agreed to handle ALL the day to day operations

in the second thread you said things like

i would have to maintain the day to day operations of the private tracker

i would have to hire the models and shoot the content
i would have to handle the day to day operations of submitting the private tracker torrents

i would have to handle the day to day operations of submitting videos to the tube sites.


even though you agreed to handle all the day to day operations of the new version of the pay site.



i twisted everything

so explain to me who me handling the day to day operations of the private tracker

constitutes you agreeing to handle ALL the day to day operations of joint venture.

what really funny is that when i told you what you were now claiming was the agreement was impossible

and

you responded
even though the most stupid copyright holder in the world knows that a licience would not be valid unless both owners agree to the terms of the liciencing.

so for me to do the tracker day to day i would have to explain what i was going to do (which would teach you) so i could get that approval.

The only way i could do it in a totally blind way is if you transfered the ownership of the copyright to me and me alone. and you refuse to do that.

so your way is impossible, my way is the only way to do under the conditions you setup.

and you know that

we agreed to three things

you would handle all the day to day operations of the new version of the paysite. (not just the old stuff you are doing now)

i agreed to show you the necessary changes and then walk away

i agreed to produce 100 sales a day with those changes.


you then demanded i handle all the "day to day operations" of the changes i was telling you to make.

you backed out of the most important pre-condition i specified.

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gideongallery

re read the quote it has not been establish here, in the us or canada, the precedent for a de jur access shifting has been established part of the EU.


you asked what do i believe, not what is currently legal right now

i believe access shifting should be a fair use right

i know the similarities between us and canadian and the EU laws that make the same legal precedent valid in US and canada.

so it will become a fair use right, and i look forward to the day, since trillions of dollars of technology advancement is being held back by location monopoly extension.

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SmokeyTheBear

i think everyone is very childish and completely missing gideons point.

His point is that if musicians and pornstars started having sex on tour together then they would make more money to offset the loss from pirates who steal content.

albanian sheep farmers make more money now then 10 years ago , thus filesharing helps albanian sheep farmers.

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Robbie

gideongallery you are thedocs BITCH on GFY.

You are the one who "backed out" and everyone on GFY saw it. I told you then...it was your one shot to prove your shit. And I told you then that if you didn't deliver you should never come back to GFY because you have zero credibility.

You did exactly what everybody knew you would do: Double talked and pussied out.

And now thedoc OWNS you.

Please tuck your tail between your legs and go away. You are a disgrace.

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gideongallery

i find it funny that while i am being accused of wanting stuff for free, your the one that keeps asking me to give you the valuable information for free.

how much are you going to pay me for the information ?

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Robbie

Damn, I never thought of it like that...

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TheDoc

I don't even have to read that trash. I know it's twisted pile of garbage that doesn't make a lick of a difference.

With all your fake bullshit whining, it comes down to this one simple fact. You never emailed me the first day or ever, nothing was twisted at first nobody was confused, any normal business people would have talked it out... but not you.


And... to twist it up more, your stupid ass is talking about topics 60 days AFTER we agreed to do this. Dude, you flaked, 60 days? 60 fucking days? I would never do business with a person that flaked like that, if you flake that bad on a forum I have no doubt you flake on me throughout the project. Not even a brain dead business man would do business with a dip shit that can't follow through with an email.


Here's what it comes down to. You're a poser, bullshitting poser at that. I don't think you have a system, I don't think you make money on torrents, music, piracy, or even online. You've never been able to back up shit about what you say... it's just shit, spewing, nonfactual shit that only a poser could dream up.

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gideongallery

you agreed to handle ALL the day to day operations of the new venture

then you claimed i had to handle all the day to day operations of the private tracker.

those two statements contridict no if and or buts.

your the one doing everything in your power to try and justify the second now.

even though you have to deliberately ignore the fact i specifically said , "i would show you the necessary changes, and then walk way" when i was defining the conditions under which i would do this deal.

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Robbie

gideongallery you are thedoc's BITCH

He owned you and now completely owns you. He has you pegged dead to rights. You talk shit but can't back it up in any way.

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SykkBoy

You are a walking clusterfuck of stupid.

If I create something and don't want to monetize it, it does NOT give someone else the right to monetize what I've created. Telling you that you can't profit from MY content or product is not censorship. It is controlling something that I've created...while you sat home jerking off to your illegally pirated copy of "Cool As Ice"

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kane

Finally you actually answered a question and as per usual your answer contradicts previous statements made by you. You have said that you don't think thing should just be free, but that fair use rights should be in place, but your answer to my question runs just the opposite of that.

If Country A has never had the show Heroes air on TV are in it and it is not available for sale in that country you feel that those people should have the right to access shift and download it for free. So you do want people to have it for free! And never mind that the producers may choose to sell it in some form in that country at a later time, you feel that since it isn't available now, they should be able to go out and get it. So really, you do think people should be able to take whatever they want if it isn't conveniently available to them regardless of what the copyright owners actual marketing plans may include.

You have also claimed you are the ultimate free marketer. How can that be? In the free market a product sinks or swims on its own merit. If an artist puts out something people love they will pay for it. Yet you, the ultimate free marketer, love the idea of a piracy tax. So you want to tax your paying customers to help subsidize losses from those who choose not to pay. That is not really a free market ideal now is it?

TheDoc

Gibberish.... fact remains, day of the deal nothing was twisted up, deal was in motion, plans were set - all you had to do was email me. Just the idea that you tried to negotiate the deal some 60 days later, on a forum, is laughable - let alone that you still never contacted me to actually start any deal..

Those of us that read what you write, have commented to you... simply laugh now. We know you have nothing, produce nothing and no mater what you can't backup your claims. Like Robbie has always said, we actually do this - you never have, I truly believe that now.

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gideongallery

you realize that by that logic vcr should be illegal because universal never gave permission to have their shows taped, and sony was monetizing that content by selling the vcr for 1k each

the same is true for mp3, backup and every other fair use we currently enjoy

you want a government granted monopoly to be absolute even though the government itself recognizes that such absolute monopolies must be broken up (sherman anti trust law)

want to sell your content as property were i have the right to do what every i want with once i got (like a car), rent it out, lend it out, sell it when i am done with it then you can make that type of arguement, but when your income generating capacity is because the government gives you the sole right to monetize it. Gives you a monopoly on monetizing it choosing not to monetize it IS abandoning that monopoly.

oh and btw smart guy, how the fuck can i comment about the current episode of heroes on a public forum, if the show doesn't air in my country, i cant

that censorship of the free speach and fair use principle of commentary.



universal and tv show producers lost all the income they got from re run commercial fees with the vcr.

Record companies lost the income they got from forcing people to buy 7 songs they didn't want for 3 that they did with mp3.

both those incomes came not from liciencing the content but extending the monopoly to the medium

That the point, the copyright act only protects the income from LICIENCING the content

if a content producer licienced the content to every country and every medium at the same time they would still get 100% of the LICIENCING.

all the extra income you are complaining about losing is same as the income that record companies lost because they could no longer force people to buy the 7 songs you didn't want for the 3 singles you did.


no i want them to licience it to all countries at the same time , so no one is denied the content

i want copyright holders to lose the right to stop people from downloading it for free when they attempt to abuse the copyright monopoly to extend it to the medium (only country b audience)

just like format shifting ultimately forced record companies to sell mp3 and singles instead of forcing feeding album sales to people who only wanted 3 good songs.

let me make it really simple for you

make money from liciencing your content = good

make money from extending monopoly to the medium = bad

if you make x by liciencing your content to every country at the same time (100% liciencing)

and you could make x+y by extending the monopoly to medium (liciencing it to one country and forcing foreigners to buy the content from itunes)

it is only the second abuse that i am complaining about

just like the revenue from the 7 songs people didn't want to buy but were forced to because that the medium the record companies choose, copyright holders are not entitled to that medium extending money.

fair use has always recognized the difference.


you mean like a government granted monopoly that denies you all the normal property rights that exist for every other purchase you can make

that says that even though i can sell or rent out a car i bought, i should have the same right with a movie or a bunch of pictures i bought.

please

that the kettle call the pot black.

if a piracy tax exists then you are moron if you don't claim your allocated share.

if you can change your operations in some key ways to qualify for a share then you are a moron for not doing it.

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Mr. Cool Ice

That is pretty stupid.

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