Evil Obamacare starts tomorrow

[GatorB]

Look at all the evil things it does. This MUST be repealed, we cant have sick kids getting coverage. Only commies do that. Choice of doctors? Pish-posh. The insurance companies know better then me which doctor I should be using.

Coverage expansion for adult dependents until age 26. provide coverage for dependents of workers who don't have access to other employer-based health care coverage 'till age 26

Children no longer denied coverage for pre-existing conditions: Insurance plans can't deny coverage due to a pre-existing condition to children under age 19. For adults, the same provision goes into effect in 2014.

Prohibit insurers from rescinding coverage: It's illegal for insurers to drop a customer when they become sick or search for an error on a customer's insurance application and then deny payment for service when the person gets sick

Free Preventive Care: All new plans must cover certain preventive services such as mammograms and colonoscopies without charging a deductible, co-pay or coinsurance.

No lifetime limits on coverage: Insurers no longer can impose lifetime dollar limits on essential benefits, like hospital stays or expensive treatments.

Unrestricted doctor choice: Plans must allow pediatricians and obstetrician/gynecologists to get primary care physician status. This eliminates the requirement for patients to get prior-authorization from their insurer or a doctor's referral to see a pediatrician or OB/GYN.

Level charges for emergency services: Insurers must remove prior authorizations for ER services. Also, insurers can't charge higher co-payments or co-insurance for out-of-network ER providers.

Patient-friendly appeals process: Insurers will have to establish new internal and external appeals processes for claims. This means that while a claim is under appeal, your insurer has to continue to pay your claims, and continue paying for subsequent treatment, until the matter is resolved

[NaughtyVisions]

[NewbieNudes]

Why is universal Health care - that the rest of the developed world has - Evil?

[charlie g]

That obama is awesome baby!!!!

[CaptainHowdy]

[Slutboat]

[woj]

the changes may sound great, but guess who will pay for it?

[Slutboat]

[SallyRand]

I don't know when you people are going to figure out that the so-called "Heath Care" bill really provides paid heath care for only a very small percentage of the population. For the rest, it simply mandates that they BUY health insurance or face civil and possibly criminal penalties.

The provisions of the bill are going to force many companies out of the health care insurance business and drive up costs for the rest.

Under this plan, if you can afford good health insurance, otherwise known as a "Cadillac Plan", the cost of that plan will be taxed as though it were income.

You have not only been sold the Brooklyn Bridge but also sold down the river; which term dates from the times of slavery when captured peoples were indeed "sold down the river".

Welcome to slavery!

Just sayin'.

Sally.

[BFT3K]

The only way to fix the health care problems of this country WOULD be a government take-over! The health insurance companies should NOT be between you and your care. Why should they be in the middle? Why should they profit by getting in our way?

Those of you who think we do not need a new healthcare system are just fucking stupid!

BTW, here's how the insurance companies, that some of you want to fight for, are planning to handle mandatory healthcare for your children...

Major health insurance companies in California and other states have decided to stop selling policies for children rather than comply with a new federal healthcare law that bars them from rejecting youngsters with preexisting medical conditions.

Source: http://www.latimes.com/health/la-fi-...0,799167.story

[The Demon]

Those of you who think we do not need a new healthcare system are just fucking stupid!

Those of you who think we need the government to take care of our healthcare system are just fucking stupid!

[cherrylula]

I've seen people crying about this healthcare shit on FB, and the same people had their kids on medicaid and use government funded childcare. I shit you not. It's really crazy now ignorant people are!

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by woj

the changes may sound great, but guess who will pay for it?

won't be most of the guys on gfy that's for sure

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

I don't know when you people are going to figure out that the so-called "Heath Care" bill really provides paid heath care for only a very small percentage of the population. For the rest, it simply mandates that they BUY health insurance or face civil and possibly criminal penalties.

The provisions of the bill are going to force many companies out of the health care insurance business and drive up costs for the rest.

Under this plan, if you can afford good health insurance, otherwise known as a "Cadillac Plan", the cost of that plan will be taxed as though it were income.

You have not only been sold the Brooklyn Bridge but also sold down the river; which term dates from the times of slavery when captured peoples were indeed "sold down the river".

Welcome to slavery!

Just sayin'.

Sally.

Yeah, that's the point... get people insurance that can't otherwise have it. So roughly 45 million people without insurance and something like 60 million people yearly with gaps in insurance, making premiums go up, etc - is a small percentage?

Nothing in the bill will force my company out of any healthcare it has and if more people are paying in, the costs would go down, not up. Like it does in every Country in the world that does this.

Taxed? It's the same way as now.

So I'm trading slave owners is what you're saying? Because without question the current insurance/health setup is Slavery that I have to pay for as well.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

The only way to fix the health care problems of this country WOULD be a government take-over! [/url]

please name the stuff the gov has taken over and not fucked up

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

I don't know when you people are going to figure out that the so-called "Heath Care" bill really provides paid heath care for only a very small percentage of the population.

For the rest, it simply mandates that they BUY health insurance or face civil and possibly criminal penalties.

The provisions of the bill are going to force many companies out of the health care insurance business and drive up costs for the rest.

Under this plan, if you can afford good health insurance, otherwise known as a "Cadillac Plan", the cost of that plan will be taxed as though it were income.

this be the facts as I understand them... plus about a 1000 pages of unrelated 'pork' that no one has had time to figure out. vry much sizzle, very little steak

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

please name the stuff the gov has taken over and not fucked up

Vet healthcare actually works, it's just greatly under funded. I get my mail like clock work, people get SS/medicare checks, and the system has worked for them for a long time.

Thinking any business in the world that deals with millions of people to run perfectly is ridiculous.

[Robbie]

It amazes me how much things have changed in my lifetime.

Up until about 20 years ago, not very many people even had "health insurance" And if you did it was to cover you in case you got in a car wreck or needed a very, very expensive surgery (Like if you had a heart attack and needed a bypass surgery)

I always went to the doctor and...wait, you're not gonna believe this...PAID him with MONEY.
You know, the way everybody always did.

But these days? People have been conditioned to think that they CAN'T go to the freakin' doctor unless they have "insurance".

Oh...only a govt. law will allow you to go to the doctor of your choice? WTF?!?!?

Last I checked, I can pick up the phone...call any doctor in town, drive over and be seen and simply PAY him when I leave.

That's the power the govt. and insurance companies now have over people. Folks honestly believe that their very actions are controlled by insurance companies.

The REAL "healthcare" issue that has not been addressed is of course the FACT that we pay more for our healthcare in this country than ANY other nation.

Claudia had an appendectomy 2 years ago. Cost? TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLARS!!! WTF!?!?!?!?!?

We pay 10 x more for every procedure and every prescription medication while the insurance companies hold hands with the govt. to make damn sure we do.

No Republican or Democrat is even trying to change that. They are all getting too much money from the pharmaceutical and medical lobbyists.

"Health Care" shouldn't be about forcing every man, woman, and child to now pay for insurance (I still can't believe the atrocity of that...can you imagine if you owned a business that it became LAW that everyone had to buy your product?)...it should be about stopping the price gouging on Americans so we don't NEED insurance just to go to the fucking doctor.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

, the costs would go down

nothing the government is involved in gets cheaper

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

The only way to fix the health care problems of this country WOULD be a government take-over! The health insurance companies should NOT be between you and your care. Why should they be in the middle? Why should they profit by getting in our way?

Those of you who think we do not need a new healthcare system are just fucking stupid!

BTW, here's how the insurance companies, that some of you want to fight for, are planning to handle mandatory healthcare for your children...

Major health insurance companies in California and other states have decided to stop selling policies for children rather than comply with a new federal healthcare law that bars them from rejecting youngsters with preexisting medical conditions.

Source: http://www.latimes.com/health/la-fi-...0,799167.story

thing is...your right. passing laws to force private insurers to actually provide health care is never going to work. Too bad the dems are such hapless pussies they wouldnt even put single payer on the table.
Instead they delivered the worst possible outcome - mandates the insurers will dance around (like your example) or otherwise pass the cost increases to the customers, who are now mandated by the law to buy it.
LOL.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Robbie

We pay 10 x more for every procedure and every prescription medication while the insurance companies hold hands with the govt. to make damn sure we do.

No Republican or Democrat is even trying to change that. They are all getting too much money from the pharmaceutical and medical lobbyists.

"Health Care" shouldn't be about forcing every man, woman, and child to now pay for insurance (I still can't believe the atrocity of that...can you imagine if you owned a business that it became LAW that everyone had to buy your product?)...it should be about stopping the price gouging on Americans so we don't NEED insurance just to go to the fucking doctor.

it's lawyers driving up the cost of everything

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Robbie

It amazes me how much things have changed in my lifetime.

Up until about 20 years ago, not very many people even had "health insurance" And if you did it was to cover you in case you got in a car wreck or needed a very, very expensive surgery (Like if you had a heart attack and needed a bypass surgery)

I always went to the doctor and...wait, you're not gonna believe this...PAID him with MONEY.
You know, the way everybody always did.

But these days? People have been conditioned to think that they CAN'T go to the freakin' doctor unless they have "insurance".

Oh...only a govt. law will allow you to go to the doctor of your choice? WTF?!?!?

Last I checked, I can pick up the phone...call any doctor in town, drive over and be seen and simply PAY him when I leave.

That's the power the govt. and insurance companies now have over people. Folks honestly believe that their very actions are controlled by insurance companies.

The REAL "healthcare" issue that has not been addressed is of course the FACT that we pay more for our healthcare in this country than ANY other nation.

Claudia had an appendectomy 2 years ago. Cost? TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLARS!!! WTF!?!?!?!?!?

We pay 10 x more for every procedure and every prescription medication while the insurance companies hold hands with the govt. to make damn sure we do.

No Republican or Democrat is even trying to change that. They are all getting too much money from the pharmaceutical and medical lobbyists.

"Health Care" shouldn't be about forcing every man, woman, and child to now pay for insurance (I still can't believe the atrocity of that...can you imagine if you owned a business that it became LAW that everyone had to buy your product?)...it should be about stopping the price gouging on Americans so we don't NEED insurance just to go to the fucking doctor.

When I'm sick I go to the doctor of my choice, and I also pay cash - no problem.

However, if I have a heart attack, or get cancer, or something devastating happens, I will not have that luxury, as those things cost tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I past a kidney stone a year ago - from my kidney to my bladder. The pain was overwhelming, so I eventually agreed to go to the ER. The pain stopped soon thereafter, unrelated to the hospital.

They took a few tests, and told me I just past a stone. For this post-incident analysis I was handed a bill for $5,000!

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?

If we allow insurance companies to dictate the terms, eventually 50% of the country will not have health insurance at all. This means those that do WILL BE GOUGED to compensate for those that don't.

Healthcare should be a right, insurance companies should not exist, and everyone in a CIVILIZED FUCKING COUNTRY should be covered!

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

nothing the government is involved in gets cheaper

That's because nothing ever gets cheaper when everything around us slowly inflates.

It's cheaper to send mail through the post office, than it is to use usp/fedex or any other service. Medical costs are set, so much so they can budget around them.

So yes, the Gov does provide cheaper services.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

thing is...your right. passing laws to force private insurers to actually provide health care is never going to work. Too bad the dems are such hapless pussies they wouldnt even put single payer on the table.
Instead they delivered the worst possible outcome - mandates the insurers will dance around (like your example) or otherwise pass the cost increases to the customers, who are now mandated by the law to buy it.
LOL.

I don't think it's really a political issue. Dems / Republicans...it doesn't seem to matter. Looks to me like the insurance, pharmaceutical, and medical companies have ALL of them on a short leash.

As long as we pay 10 times more for every procedure...and as long as we pay 3 to 4 x more for every pill prescribed...we are going to be the losers in this.

I've seen Republicans talk about how health care is a big percentage of our nation's economy and how we can't let a "govt. takeover" happen.

Well I have two thoughts on that:
1. It shouldn't be that big of our economy because we are being price gouged.

2. It's not a "govt. takeover". It's an Insurance Company takeover. Those motherfuckers are now going to have 300 million FORCED customers.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

I don't know when you people are going to figure out that the so-called "Heath Care" bill really provides paid heath care for only a very small percentage of the population. For the rest, it simply mandates that they BUY health insurance or face civil and possibly criminal penalties.

The provisions of the bill are going to force many companies out of the health care insurance business and drive up costs for the rest.

Under this plan, if you can afford good health insurance, otherwise known as a "Cadillac Plan", the cost of that plan will be taxed as though it were income.

You have not only been sold the Brooklyn Bridge but also sold down the river; which term dates from the times of slavery when captured peoples were indeed "sold down the river".

Welcome to slavery!

Just sayin'.

Sally.

hardly. if nothing else, at least this bill will stop insurance companies from fucking people over and denying them when the need the most.

[SallyRand]

AS far as pre-existing conditons goes, "Obamacare" works like this:

Suppose you are a warranty company covering used cars.

The government tells you that you MUST warranty without inspection, that you have no right to limit that warranty to repairs required AFTER the warranty was purchased, any old broken down car that comes in and pay to have it repaired as soon as the warranty premium is paid.

Were you a warranty company faced with this prospect, would you continue to be in the used car warranty business?

I think not.

This is precisely the position in which Dear Leader has placed the health care insurance companies.

Just sayin'.

Sally.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Those of you who think we need the government to take care of our healthcare system are just fucking stupid!

insurance companies need to be stopped. they choose who lives and who dies (more or less). These companies only care about profit, they don't care how many people die because they cut off their insurance when things got too costly.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

AS far as pre-existing conditons goes, "Obamacare" works like this:

Suppose you are a warranty company covering used cars.

The government tells you that you MUST warranty without inspection, that you have no right to limit that warranty to repairs required AFTER the warranty was purchased, any old broken down car that comes in and pay to have it repaired as soon as the warranty premium is paid.

Were you a warranty company faced with this prospect, would you continue to be in the used car warranty business?

I think not.

This is precisely the position in which Dear Leader has placed the health care insurance companies.

Just sayin'.

Sally.

This is virtually verbatim, what Huckabee has spewed out recently. Fox Noise much?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

AS far as pre-existing conditons goes, "Obamacare" works like this:

Suppose you are a warranty company covering used cars.

The government tells you that you MUST warranty without inspection, that you have no right to limit that warranty to repairs required AFTER the warranty was purchased, any old broken down car that comes in and pay to have it repaired as soon as the warranty premium is paid.

Were you a warranty company faced with this prospect, would you continue to be in the used car warranty business?

I think not.

This is precisely the position in which Dear Leader has placed the health care insurance companies.

Just sayin'.

Sally.

Let's drop the word car and replace it with child... oh now it doesn't seem so bad. So yeah, if I must pay for a child I've never met to have insurance by the Gov, then hell ya! Or I could pay 100x the cost through my taxes because they have no insurance and I still have to pay for it....

Wake up.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

insurance companies need to be stopped. they choose who lives and who dies (more or less). These companies only care about profit, they don't care how many people die because they cut off their insurance when things got too costly.

Meanwhile the sheeple believe the GOVERNMENT is the evil player here! WTF?!

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

The only way to fix the health care problems of this country WOULD be a government take-over! The health insurance companies should NOT be between you and your care.

I would rather have companies "in the way" of my care than the government.

[DateDoc]

They still have to work out the lawsuits from the 20 states suing over this healthcare.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

insurance companies need to be stopped. they choose who lives and who dies (more or less). These companies only care about profit, they don't care how many people die because they cut off their insurance when things got too costly.

Exactly, the insurance company is 10000000000000% profit driven.. They're all public companies, that if do not grow, cut costs, increase net, etc - investors won't invest. So they have a reason, an actual need to cut people, drop expensive people. They MUST do this or people wont invest.

Which is why rates go up when no other costs went up and why people get dropped that paid into the system for a lifetime.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Ethersync

I would rather have companies "in the way" of my care than the government.

I don't like government any more than anyone else. What needs to be done is a third party not for profit organization that is watched over by many non government groups to ensure its done properly. With for profit companies, well their profits go down, denials go up. Its just not right when you're a good paying customer.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Ethersync

I would rather have companies "in the way" of my care than the government.

Be careful what you wish for, but in a way I hope you get what you want.

As soon as half the country can't afford healthcare, and the other half has to decide between food or insurance, then MAYBE everyone will wake the fuck up, and vilify those who deserve vilification, instead of those who are trying to fucking help.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Ethersync

I would rather have companies "in the way" of my care than the government.

Right now a company can do anything they want, for any reason, at any time and you have 'zero' power to do anything about it. You're on your death bed, million dollars in, they have and can come back and say, sorry - none of that is covered - and you have no choice.

Vs... the Gov, which you do have power over, even if it's only a single vote is far more say than you have with any insurance company.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

This is virtually verbatim, what Huckabee has spewed out recently. Fox Noise much?

Actually, no, I don't watch Huckabee at all. I have used this comparison for some time; it could just as well be a warranty company for computers, major applicances or dog houses, for all it matters but the comparison is valid.

I do not claim to be the first to think of it but I sure as Hell didn't get it from that moron (Or is it Mormon?) Huckabee.

Just sayin'.

Sally.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

AS far as pre-existing conditons goes, "Obamacare" works like this:

Suppose you are a warranty company covering used cars.

The government tells you that you MUST warranty without inspection, that you have no right to limit that warranty to repairs required AFTER the warranty was purchased, any old broken down car that comes in and pay to have it repaired as soon as the warranty premium is paid.

Were you a warranty company faced with this prospect, would you continue to be in the used car warranty business?

I think not.

This is precisely the position in which Dear Leader has placed the health care insurance companies.

Just sayin'.

Sally.

i don't mind crushing up used cars, I don't mind seeing them ripped apart for parts. I can't say the the same thing about a human being though and the fact that you and others can is a pretty sad statement of how people view others and society as a whole.

[gumdrop]

A new report in the American Journal of Public Health says that insurers such as Prudential Financial, Northwest Mutual and Massachusetts Mutual own $1.9 billion worth of stock in fast-food companies like McDonald’s, Pizza Hut and Jack in the Box. The author of the study, Dr. Wesley Boyd of Harvard Medical School, finds these investments to be morally repugnant. Why? Because the insurance industry is supposed to be concerned about people's health and well-being, but apparently is more interested in making a quick buck.
Keep America Fat and Unhealthy. So they can make a fast buck. That's what it's all about.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHe...icHealth/19577

[Tom_PM]

As with everything, if enough people dont want it, it'll go away. Fat chance, but I'm just sayin.

Of course the party of no has no ideas and no plans, but they're not stupid enough to actually be pushing for repeal before the election.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by NewbieNudes

Why is universal Health care - that the rest of the developed world has - Evil?

because all who can afford to leave the wonderful world healthcare and come here for treatment.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i don't mind crushing up used cars, I don't mind seeing them ripped apart for parts. I can't say the the same thing about a human being though and the fact that you and others can is a pretty sad statement of how people view others and society as a whole.

Your reply is irrational, unreasonable, merely emotional and disingenuous. I made no comparison between people and used cars. I made a comparison between a so-called "heath care" program and a warranty program; which comparison IS reasonable, rational and quite to the point. I have not suggested that people be denied health care; I have however suggested that it is unreasonable to require insurance companies to pay for pre-existing condtions upon issuing of the policy.

That's just the same as telling an insurance company that it must give you a policy and pay for the damage that a tornado did to your house THE DAY BEFORE the policy was issued!

Why is it that you cannot see it?

Were you an insurance company, would YOU pay such claims?

Just sayin'.

Sally.

[Voodoo]

You can thank this guy...

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Your reply is irrational, unreasonable, merely emotional and disingenuous. I made no comparison between people and used cars. I made a comparison between a so-called "heath care" program and a warranty program; which comparison IS reasonable, rational and quite to the point. I have not suggested that people be denied health care; I have however suggested that it is unreasonable to require insurance companies to pay for pre-existing condtions upon issuing of the policy.

That's just the same as telling an insurance company that it must give you a policy and pay for the damage that a tornado did to your house THE DAY BEFORE the policy was issued!

Why is it that you cannot see it?

Were you an insurance company, would YOU pay such claims?

Just sayin'.

Sally.

Of course you were comparing people with used cars. You can't really be that stupid. healthcare=people warranty program=cars... I guess those who were born will illnesses or got cancer or whatever just got the shitty end of the stick and should just die off because its not good business to take care of these people? You must live in a very sad robot like world where only logic exists and feeling are something strange and foreign to you. Will you tell your mother one day that its not logical or profitable to keep her alive any longer and put her out of her misery? She is a broken down old car that no one would give a warranty to.

[BFT3K]

Why are insurance companies between YOU and YOUR HEALTH?

Why should they PROFIT from being between YOU and YOUR HEALTH CARE?

Why would you allow a 3rd party, to decide what care you should be allowed?

This is how it is RIGHT NOW.

Wake the fuck up!

[BestXXXPorn]

Yay awesome and something already in the bill has already gone down! Incandescent light-bulbs are illegal now! Yay thank you nanny state headed by Obama (ATM) for making incandescent light-bulbs illegal... so glad you're here to watch over our every move and make sure we don't have access to those evil things... I think we should just give ALL our money to the government so they can show us how to spend it better. I mean, they already do such an awesome fucking job budgeting our money!

Edit: Oh wait that wasn't one of the unrelated things tacked onto the Obamacare bill, that's just another one of the retarded fucking freedom destroying moves by our gov...

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Voodoo

You can thank this guy...

Here is what Nixon (a Republican) proposed, many years ago...

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stor...-proposal.aspx

Does it look familiar?

[Probono]

After ObamaCare was passed Wall Street reacted with increases in value of Health Insurance stocks. The winners, insurance companies. That said it is better than nothing in that it prevents those same companies from dropping people just because they get sick!

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

I don't like government any more than anyone else. What needs to be done is a third party not for profit organization that is watched over by many non government groups to ensure its done properly.

Exactly, but too much money and power involved for them to do the right thing...

[Phoenix66]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

insurance companies need to be stopped. they choose who lives and who dies (more or less). These companies only care about profit, they don't care how many people die because they cut off their insurance when things got too costly.

Indeed they are not angels. But do you really believe govt will not do the same?

You'll see that they also deny the service when the patient is too old, too sick, etc.

All you actually get with this - is increased cost and lower quality, because you'll have to pay all the bureaucrats that are additionally placed in control over this in the same time messing with the work of those who actually do the job.