So if you hated this under Bush, do you love it under Obama??

[sperbonzo]

http://www.fastcompany.com/1691505/w...k-apple-google

"Widespread phone-based wiretapping has become the norm in the U.S., sneaked by legislators by information-hungry agencies using national security as a shield against civil liberty infringements. Now there's news the government wants to expand tapping powers to the Net too.

A report in the New York Times purports to blow the lid on plans by federal officials to push for new legislation that will require "all services that enable communications" to be tappable, including encrypted mobile email systems like BlackBerry's and social networking sites and VoIP services like Skype.

The FBI's general counsel Valerie Caproni is quoted in defense of the plans, noting it's all about "lawfully authorized intercepts" and that the moves aren't about "expanding authority. We're talking about preserving our ability to execute our existing authority in order to protect the public safety and national security." But if you read her words carefully, they're a fine example of political rhetoric. "Lawfully authorized" seems an okay phrase, but that means the authorities get to decide what's lawful--whatever it may be. And if these moves aren't about expanding authority, then why make them at all? Why not stick with simple phone taps?

And there are other concerns--the demands are to increase tapping powers of the Net for U.S. security reasons, but the Net is unlike the phone network, which requires centralized communications hubs. The Net is distributed, which gives it part of its great resilience to damage, and due to the nature of its design lots of non-U.S. traffic flows through U.S. Net infrastructure. In other words, the moves could increase the risk of damage to the Net thanks to virus writers and simultaneously allow U.S. authorities to snoop on traffic belonging to citizens of other nations without requiring any pesky diplomacy.

One other thing to think about is how this may affect the providers that "enable communications." Firstly, the scope of who these people are is important: Are we talking cell phone network operators, or every ISP--since most mobile devices can hop on to available wireless Net access points? Is Apple implied in the plans, because its FaceTime app enables face-to-face communications that could let nefarious types communicate messages that couldn't otherwise be spied on? Will Google comply with requests to enable decrypted-snooping on Google Voice calls?

The thought of Google's involvement in this situation is particularly odd, given how bullish the company was being about human rights abuses in China and its provision of uncensored Net access--with Chinese authorities heavily implicated in hack attacks to get data on dissident voices inside China who were using Google to communicate. Should Google comply with equally morally gray requests from the authorities of its home country, or does it in fact have the sheer might (backed by billions of dollars and the might of its role in dominating Net tech) to stand up to the U.S. government?"

[Ethersync]

It is really sickening.

[ReGGs]

Why would you like it under either president? Seems kinda silly just to support something because it was proposed by your preferred political party. I think an equally if not more fair question is why are so many people who hate Obama now opposed to things they supported under the Bush admin? (i.e. patriot act.)

[amateurbfs]

Just another step down the path of losing personal freedoms.

[marketsmart]

seriously, have you been living in a cave for the last 10 years?

the govt has had this ability for a long time, they are just trying to make it legal...

however, people should be up in arms about this.....






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[BFT3K]

[Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Bring back bush?
Can you imagine how it would have been if it was Mcain/Palin circus?

[Brujah]

So if you loved this under Bush, (why) do you hate it under Obama??

[u-Bob]

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Brujah

So if you loved this under Bush, (why) do you hate it under Obama??

Bad decisions were "more American" under Bush... he was a white guy after-all!

If you questioned his administration you were clearly "Un-American" but if you question Obama you are a true patriot!

Didn't you get the memo?

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by ReGGs

Why would you like it under either president? Seems kinda silly just to support something because it was proposed by your preferred political party.

That's the whole point: A lot of people who opposed the patriot act before Obama was president, now keep silent about it or even approve of it. It doesn't matter who's in charge... once they are in charge they'll forgot all those nice promises they made....

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Brujah

So if you loved this under Bush, (why) do you hate it under Obama??

I personally didn't like it under either, heck, I didn't like the CALEA under Clinton in 1994..... I was just interested to see if there was someone that approved now that we were under Obama.



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[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by u-bob

that's the whole point: A lot of people who opposed the patriot act before obama was president, now keep silent about it or even approve of it. It doesn't matter who's in charge... Once they are in charge they'll forgot all those nice promises they made....

exactly



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[alessergod]

What sucks, sucks. Now and in the past. I like your premise tho and it is interesting to see all the idiots who oppose anything proposed by the Obama admin but loved the same when Bush was pres.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

That's the whole point: A lot of people who opposed the patriot act before Obama was president, now keep silent about it or even approve of it. It doesn't matter who's in charge... once they are in charge they'll forgot all those nice promises they made....

Exactly.

[tony286]

well if you want to fight terror and they arent using landlines anymore to communicate. What are they supposed to do ?

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I personally didn't like it under either, heck, I didn't like the CALEA under Clinton in 1994..... I was just interested to see if there was someone that approved now that we were under Obama.



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Makes sense to me. We should dig up the old Bush wiretapping deal and make note of all the supporters that are suddenly against it now.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by tony286

well if you want to fight terror and they arent using landlines anymore to communicate. What are they supposed to do ?

I could hug you Tony...



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[Bill8]

It's despicable.

obama was a rightist centrist when he ran, and he has been a republican-lite as a president. he's done almost nothing that a republican wouldn't do.

the only exception I can name is the credit card regulation bill. the health care bill was just a medicare part b redux, a government giveaway to the corporations..

he's a failure and a massive dissapointment, at a time when we desperately needed a leader with principles and a new vision.

[sperbonzo]

I'm still waiting for Slutboat to speak up with the Democrat party line on this....




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[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by Bill8

It's despicable.

obama was a rightist centrist when he ran, and he has been a republican-lite as a president. he's done almost nothing that a republican wouldn't do.

the only exception I can name is the credit card regulation bill. the health care bill was just a medicare part b redux, a government giveaway to the corporations..

he's a failure and a massive dissapointment, at a time when we desperately needed a leader with principles and a new vision.

Wow, we agree on something Bill

[NYRangers]

Originally Posted by tony286

well if you want to fight terror and they arent using landlines anymore to communicate. What are they supposed to do ?

I really hate when you reply. You are so one sided and biased it's disgusting. Take your liberal views and shove them up your now thinner ass.

And please, no right wingers congratulate me on this post. All you tools that yap politics on here are a joke. You criticize each other for being narrow minded while being the hypocrite.

But Tony, please, stop being so one sided biased. You sound like these other extreme idiots.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Ethersync

Wow, we agree on something Bill

it's what I have been saying all along.

I need the help of the right wing to rip the corporatist guts out of the criminals and puppets infesting the democratic party, to enact election reform, and to strip corporations of their priviledges.

not that there is any real hope, but one does what one must.

it's a shame that the right has no real policy or vision. this is an amazing oppurtunity for a leader with a plan, but the right is even more under corporate control than the left, so their only plan is lower taxes and deregulate, which is exactly what the corporations want.

[fatfoo]

More wiretapping would decrease privacy.

[Agent 488]

straw man. what democrat voter approves of that retard?

[IllTestYourGirls]

Now google "xray vans".