PR_Dave

What surfer really has the rights to the content they are "uploading" ??

Just have a content partner program and leave it at that.

Problem solved in 1 go?

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BestXXXPorn

Unfortunately, it's not about the user having rights... The tubes you are most likely referring to can offer illegal content simply by allowing users to upload the content.

Should they? YES

Will they? NO

At this point in the game whomever loses that ability will be at a distinct disadvantage in the market...

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn that major tubes pay people to upload illegal content (or at least incentivize them under the table in some way).

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Shap

I'd love to see the logs. We have both gay and straight tubes. On the gay side we get a lot of USER submitted content. On the Straight side VERY little. I find it really hard to believe how much of these straight tubes claim are user submitted. I don't know if our straight tubes are not established enough or what. Our gay data suggests people upload themselves and other people's content and our straight tube suggests people don't upload. Who knows.

Ron2k1

I think xhamster has a lot of real user uploaded content

Ron2k1

Well your straight tube is sexape for example? it's not big enough yet

btw did it work out well when you converted that into a tube? do you see an increase in pageviews?

Jim_Gunn

I was under the impresion that the whole user uploading thing was a myth with adult tube sites. After all how could you know if some jackass was uploading c.p. to your tube anonymously from a internet cafe somewhere if you actually allowed the public to upload files? Even with moderation you would not necessarily know if the content was legal or not never mind if it was properly licensed just by looking at it. Plus then you have all kinds of bitrates and formats and frame sizes to deal with even if you auto convert to Flash on the back end.

Seems to me that the people running all the big tubes should have enough content to fill their tube site with a good mix of short, medium and long(ish) clips from the content in their library or licensed content plus adding whoever's promo content they wish through a content partnership program and do it legally and without headaches.

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DWB

The few guys I know who have straight tubes say the same thing. Either the other tubes are large enough to actually get submitters, or they are all full of it and do it themselves. I've always thought they did most of the uploading. How else can you get many, many users with 1000s of uploads? Who in their right mind would sit there and upload videos all day and night to tube sites?

signupdamnit

I voted "maybe." If they can't control the pirated content then they should, yes.

Youtube seems to do a fairly decent job. You don't see a lot of porn stay on there because they actively remove it. There are issues with music and movie piracy but in many cases they are actually sharing revenue with providers. For the longest time they had a limit of 10 minutes on movies as well which helped to prevent someone from sharing a two hour movie so easily. Youtube has a system whereby they suspend accounts after so many violations and they have measures in place to help prevent repeated abuse. If the large pirate tubes became more like Youtube this would be much less of an issue.

Limiting user submitted content to no more than 5 minutes for the first 30 days and 10 videos submitted (whichever is longest) would be a great start. Then perhaps raise the limit to 10 minutes per video thereafter.

There have always been things they could have been doing to stop it. I think most of us know that the truth is they simply don't want to stop it and that's why it continues....

signupdamnit

There are a growing number of surfers on pirate surfer forums who are now uploading to tubes as opposed to sites like Rapidshare. They then share the links on the forums. I still don't buy that even 50% of the ones at the big tubes are real surfers. And in the past I doubt even 10% were.

Shap

SexTube is quite big and still hasn't seen the submissions of GayTube. Nothing near it.

SexApe and Bigbreastlovers conversion went well. $$$ down but pretty good on everything else

GTS Mark

If you own an amateur tube site or gay you will get a lot of submissions. However, yes i would agree if it's a general hardcore tube site you won't get that many.

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Shap

I think a few of them MAY (this is giving the biggest and oldest some benefit of doubt) have hit that size or recognition where they get huge submissions like that. Kinda like Rapidshare.

I don't for one second believe all these sites have that many uploaders and I don't believe they have as many POWER users. Like you said 1000 uploaded videos? Whatever. We get a lot of submissions to GayTube and we have very few guys at 100 videos uploaded if any.

dirtybaker1331

Most tube site owners are screwing themselves out of some decent revenue from sponsor programs. User submitted videos dont have linkbacks of any kind for the most part. Most programs offer 2-5 minute videos to put on their tube sites via a file or xml dump as well as other great promotional tools...Longer videos doesn't do anybody any good. They don't convert that well despite the big demand for them. It would be great if tube site owners would actually take a Marketing class of some kind. There is money in this industry we call porn. You want some help, hit me up.

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2intense

yes yes yes yes yes

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PR_Dave

I have been told pretty much no one submits.

They just assign a fake profile to each video.

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marketsmart

yes, but how much of that content is of you in various acts of faggotry?

i cant go to a gay tube anymore without seeing tons of scenes with you and your various gay lovers...

its disturbing really...

how many male partners do you have each night?

i know you gays are promiscuous, but this is ridiculous ....







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Frisky Cash

You crack me up

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PXN

The only people who waste their valuable time uploading are either
1) They are paid to do so or an employee of the tube
2) an idiot

justinsain

I want to know who came up with this " user submitted " crap anyways.

Before the internet there was no way a book, magazine or newspaper would publish anything before it was verified who the owner was because they were libel for it.

There was no way a music store would sell anything that came to their store by whatever means ( bootleg ).

There was no way TV or movie theaters would show something that wasn't legitimate.

All those in the business of intellectual property were held accountable for their actions.

Then along comes the internet and suddenly it's a free for all. If the website owner is made responsible for whatever appears within their domain name the internet would be a much different place. Sometimes you need to take a step back before you can move forward.

PR_Dave

Bump!

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Davy

What BestXXXPorn said. User uploads are also an excuse for the tube owners to upload their own DVD rips, usenet/torrent content and whatnot to their site. All under the protection of the DMCA.

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signupdamnit

Actually if they are really doing that it is not protected under the DMCA. And if they lie about it once taken to court and this is shown then it's called perjury (up to five years prison in the United States). Now proving that....not so easy.

Agent 488

if they stop user uploads then they can't upload full clips themselves and traffic goes down. simple man.

Nasty

Users do submit to tubes, profiles on adult dating sites are real and the rogue employee did it

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willwank

On my social fetish sites I see the same as your gay tubes. The ratio of genuine uploads (amateur) are high'ish. Don't run any general social or tube sites so dunno on that one.

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Mutt

the 'user submitted' bullshit porn tube sites hide behind is exactly that, bullshit. it's all done in house and with out sourcers and why porn tube sites can be sued successfully, there is no DMCA safe harbor IF you can prove that - you need the smoking gun, believable witnesses/whistleblower who has worked for them to tell the court what really goes on.

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CarlosTheGaucho

Most of them "unoficially" turned the user submitting off a long time ago, meaning it's "theoretically" possible.

One can't submit any content to them.

The biggest ones don't even hide it's say one DVD title or series ripped and uploaded one scene after another.

There's some decent amateur self shot content on some of those though.

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fris

those damn rogue employee submitters!

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