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RogerV · 09-17-2002, 06:58 PM

what would happen if all the sponsors stopped excepting TGP traffic untill it got censored or cleaned up some like no hardcore or showing pink ?

Then maybe we would all take a little hit for a short period but we would clean things up then conversions and reaccuring would pick back up.
In the long run this would benefit all of us for many reasons

Like conversions,chargebacks,cancels,reaccuring

Why should people stay a member and join or not cancel trials
when they can jack off with out paying a dime

the Shemp · 09-17-2002, 08:04 PM

let me bump this up for you....

shemp

chodadog · 09-17-2002, 08:07 PM

Perhaps Pornkings should be the first to step up to the plate?

Sly_RJ · 09-17-2002, 08:08 PM

Ok, what kind of traffic would you want? There's only so many different sources, and most of them involve showing free porn. Or am I wrong?

Search engine and AVS are really the only two sources I can think of. I'm sure I'm missing something though...

BJ · 09-17-2002, 08:08 PM

can someone tell me how this guy gets away with it?

http://www.blondeangels.6x.to

Sly_RJ · 09-17-2002, 08:09 PM

And who cares about better conversions if you can't send the same amount of traffic? Remember Roger, it's all about the bottom line...

WiredGuy · 09-17-2002, 08:17 PM

Well, I fully support the motion myself and I would love to see the sponsors step up to do this, unfortunately, I think someone will break down. If all the big boys agreed to ban TGP traffic, then the smaller sponsors would start accepting it and start growing. Unless you have the support of everyone, this won't work. The TGP's would literally lose so much money that they'll be forced to take any sponsor that's willing to take the traffic and hence it will break down.

I wish this would happen, but realistically, I don't think it will ever be possible.

WG

Wizzo · 09-17-2002, 08:26 PM

It's a great idea in Theory, but as a sponsor how would you carry it out, other than canning webmasters for posting hardcore and not paying them...That I'm thinking, wouldn't go over to well??

Am I missing something?

sextoyking · 09-17-2002, 08:29 PM

Roger,

great idea, me and others been saying it for along time, but will it end. Nope don't think so..

It's ok to give a tease away, but not the whole orgasm

)

peace

drops · 09-17-2002, 08:34 PM

I think RogerV is heading in the right direction..

The ONLY way this would work is..

If the large TGP's stop accepting hardcore galleries and only shown softcore like RogerV mention, then the ratio of signups/convertions would increase naturally. If the surfer wants to see the good stuff, then the surfer need to pay. Member retention would increase, TGP owners would get paid more (more signups), and on a differant note.. maybe the government would get off our ass a bit because we are "trying to clean up the adult internet"..

But you really need the backing of guys like Shemp, Ampland, Hun, and WorldSex..

You get those guys to do it.. Victory

If you really think about it, its a WIN WIN situation for everyone..

Everyone makes money..

Jason - CherryBucks

RogerV · 09-17-2002, 08:48 PM

Cut off the supply and demand goes up. pay more etc.

It cleans things up and the traffic will be better targeted.

If all the sponsors do it It might work and we will all make more money for many more years.

Just ask your friends why they wouldn't pay for porn they will all tell you they can get it for free.

Watch what happens when surfers can't get anymore free porn

but most people only care about how much traffic who cares if they don't pay and they are under aged.
the traffic might drop a little if it were softcore but the conversions will get better and so will the retention.

Its just better for us in the long run

We need to start focusing on the savvy surfers not just newb's

Bake · 09-17-2002, 08:48 PM

I have the answer to this and Im nearly finished the programeing and It will work this time because it will make alot of money for the tgp owner unlike other attemps. We can make alot more money slow down free porn and lower BW if you wish to know more ICQ me. 77762980

RogerV · 09-17-2002, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chodadog
Perhaps Pornkings should be the first to step up to the plate?

Trust me when i step up to plate it won't just be me.

RogerV · 09-17-2002, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
And who cares about better conversions if you can't send the same amount of traffic? Remember Roger, it's all about the bottom line...

I'm not saying get rid of tgp's just make them softcore only tits no pink.
the traffic might drop a little but conversions would go up

I'm not saying get rid of them just tease the surfer not give them the whole cake

Sly_RJ · 09-17-2002, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RogerV

I'm not saying get rid of tgp's just make them softcore only tits no pink.
the traffic might drop a little but conversions would go up

Ahhh, yes. I understand now. I already do that.

chodadog · 09-17-2002, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RogerV

Trust me when i step up to plate it won't just be me.

Good to hear

Captain P · 09-17-2002, 09:04 PM

I don't want it to sound like I'm whoreing my shit out but I do have some thoughts....

It's impossible to just expect the big TGP owners to change their ways. They need incentive which is what I tried to do with Diabolical Galleries. I'm giving the TGP owner 50% of my gallery designs... so he's willing to accept galleries that he normally would NEVER accept. It's a trade off cuz I started building galleries like Roger suggested... with less and less of the good shots. Even my hadcore galleries don't show any penetration... and they wouldn't get listed... but now the same gallery is everywhere.

An example
And even this gallery is too much I think. There is only 1 pussy shot with no pink and one penetration shot with the dildo but it's from a distance... and would be just enough to frustrate me into clicking thru...

quiet · 09-17-2002, 09:04 PM

i wanna force all the savvy surfers to kazza ;)

Steve · 09-17-2002, 09:13 PM

Captain P, when are you guys going to put pics on HTML pages?

chodadog · 09-17-2002, 09:13 PM

You just have to look at the gallery captain P posted in another thread. If you follow a few of the links, you'll find this page:

http://www.bangels.host.sk/main.php

1282 pics in just 6 galleries.

RogerV · 09-17-2002, 09:14 PM

Just like anything else cut off the supply and the demand will go up.

Just show them enough to get them to pay on a trial and stick around. with all the shit out there they realize they can get it all for free.

If you can jack off to it then it's all pointless

SleazyDream · 09-17-2002, 09:16 PM

I think having hardcore sponser companies stop paychecks to anyone who has a hardcore gallery is a GREAT IDEA, especially since I don't sell hardcore pics with the hardcore galleries I have. That way I'll have the only true free hardcore galleries out there. Please try and get this idea off the ground. Please please please please please please please please.

Braincash Fred · 09-17-2002, 09:21 PM

I suggest to buy all the traffic from The Hun for 24 hours and see if their's a difference in the signup. Then we would have some proof and reference... and this is possible

BJ · 09-17-2002, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chodadog
You just have to look at the gallery captain P posted in another thread. If you follow a few of the links, you'll find this page:

http://www.bangels.host.sk/main.php

1282 pics in just 6 galleries.

::cough:: ::cough::

http://teen.sexplanets.com/superboycd/index.htm

http://www.blondeangels.6x.to

SleazyDream · 09-17-2002, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AC fred
I suggest to buy all the traffic from The Hun for 24 hours and see if their's a difference in the signup. Then we would have some proof and reference... and this is possible

it's not possible to buy all the hun's traffic. Cybercat represents me as well and I know this for a fact. TheHUn has some strict rules about who he posts - including paid galleries.

Voodoo · 09-17-2002, 09:25 PM

I think all TGPs should do this:
1. Throw the TGPs away.
2. Redirect ALL traffic to a new PaySite that offers every niche.
3. Track traffic w/ referral IDs.
4. Payout via referral ID tracking.

Call the colaboration "TGPSinc".

And put up a HUGE notice on the previous TGP stating:
"PAY FOR YOUR PORN YOU FUCKERS!"

OR

You could just all ONLY accept advertisment posts... No galleries.
If there's a NUDE pic on the page... decline/banned! You could write a bot that scans the post for images with flesh and pink tones, on images that are larger than 468x60/80.

quiet · 09-17-2002, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

it's not possible to buy all the hun's traffic. Cybercat represents me as well and I know this for a fact. TheHUn has some strict rules about who he posts - including paid galleries.

yup

SleazyDream · 09-17-2002, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

yup

You should have come to Flordia for Internext. It was a blast. I stayed with mark and parney (they wouldn't let me stay anywhere else) and I pretty much lived in their pool. You comming to the one in Jan or will you be retired by then?

pornJester · 09-17-2002, 10:26 PM

I think this topic has been on alot of people's minds lately. Here is an article we recently published...

http://www.webmastervault.com/tip-tgpchange.shtml

RogerV · 09-18-2002, 12:31 AM

I know of 6 of the biggest sponsors who will back me and I can probably get most of them with some help. we just had a diner about tonight. two of the big sponsors

I will say this we need the TGP's we just need to mellow it out.
so the industry can survive.

Because its getting totally out of control. and If all the top 20 sponsors go with it. I'm sure the Large TGp's will back it. it would just mean more money for all of us.
It sure can't hurt trying!

give me about two weeks and I will have it all put together.
with the help of all the other sponsors if all goes well.

I already know sponsors who will raise there payouts if the traffic has no where else to go and retains longer.

make them pay to get off thats the bottom line.
the traffic might be a little less on tgp's but it will be worth much more. it takes everyone's help but it can be done

Dildozer · 09-18-2002, 12:34 AM

RogerV this sounds great!

WiredGuy · 09-18-2002, 12:38 AM

Hi RogerV,

If you can really get the support of all the sponsors you mentioned (6 already and up to 20), then this is very possible. In fact, I wish you the absolute best in your attempt, it would be a valient effort from one of the big players to help bring this industry back to the good old days where we could convert 1:100 on TGP's....

My hats to you Roger.

PS: Will you be @ Island Gathering in 2 weeks? Not sure if you could get on the Epoch Jet, I just wanted to see...

WG

the Shemp · 09-18-2002, 12:49 AM

Wake me up when the revolution begins,

thanks guys,

shemp

High Quality · 09-18-2002, 01:08 AM

there is always way too much speculation on this. Truth is, its never ever going to happen.

You know the reasons.

RogerV · 09-18-2002, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Hi RogerV,

If you can really get the support of all the sponsors you mentioned (6 already and up to 20), then this is very possible. In fact, I wish you the absolute best in your attempt, it would be a valient effort from one of the big players to help bring this industry back to the good old days where we could convert 1:100 on TGP's....

My hats to you Roger.

PS: Will you be @ Island Gathering in 2 weeks? Not sure if you could get on the Epoch Jet, I just wanted to see...

WG

I was going on the Private jet but I think it has to go into get a C check or something so flying commercial.

I think I can get all the sponsors to back it. there would be no reason for them not to.
And I hope the Tgp's and Freehosts etc. help us out.

And if it fails well we fuckin tried but I don't think it will. all of us have been talking about it for a while now. its not a new topic and its about time.

Its not a witch hunt or good guys versus bad guys its about all of us working together to make more money in the long run.
and people wouldn't charge back knowing they would be able to join another site or get it free anywhere.

less people will cancel on trials and maybe even stick around a few more months till they move on to the next site. This will only help out all of us.

RogerV · 09-18-2002, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by High Quality
there is always way too much speculation on this. Truth is, its never ever going to happen.

You know the reasons.

No I don't.
tell me what the reason is?

RogerV · 09-18-2002, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by the Shemp
Wake me up when the revolution begins,

thanks guys,

shemp

for the record are you against it or not and why?

If the sponsors don't pay the webmasters posting hardcore galleries or showing Pink on your TGP what are you gonna do?

Its up to them to clean it up right? Are you against this Idea

i don't understand your comments

the Shemp · 09-18-2002, 01:55 AM

I dont make major business decisions at 02:00 in the morning.
I have never asked anyone to submit a hardcore gallery to me, nor have I ever rejected a gallery for being too softcore. The galleries now are no more hardcore than they were 4 years ago.
I do know that there are many paysites out there owned by TGP owners. I have played by the rules of the game and have got a very small share of the TGP market. I think being dictated to by paysite owners of what constitutes a "good gallery" would not be well received. It would encourage me to send my traffic elsewhere, perhaps to those sites that remained TGP friendly.

But as i said, it is too late for major decisons, this requires more thought and a whole lot more consultation,

regards

shemp

GoLiaT · 09-18-2002, 02:18 AM

Heheh you think we would have all these paysites poping up
if it wasnt for tgp ?
If we removed all tgp traffic we would see ALOT of paysites
go down to

RogerV · 09-18-2002, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GoLiaT
Heheh you think we would have all these paysites poping up
if it wasnt for tgp ?
If we removed all tgp traffic we would see ALOT of paysites
go down to

I never said remove the TGP's I think we do need them.

I think we just need to clean up the TGP's and freehost etc.
and the only way to do it cut of the money supply. before Visa and MC cut us off because of all the credits and chargebacks.

So we can all increase our bottom line and make more. once the sponsors get it rolling you will have a complete break down of why it is beneficial it won't effect anyones traffic and revenue only increase it.

boneprone · 09-18-2002, 02:34 AM

Hey Roger if you truely want to do this you need to take into account that $$ talks.

Rather than say banning and trying to clean the streets with your NwO, perhaps you should set up a pay structure that ENCOURAGES this TGP behavior.

Perhaps a higher rate. Money talks, and this may be the only thing that gets tgp people to convert to your ideas. Offer the "good" tgps more $$ per signup.

If tgps see more $$ they will be lining up to change.

However if you and your top 20 big boys wanna shut out the tgps for having hardcore, some other paysite is gunna make bank catering to them all.

Banning them is not the idea.
Encouraging them to change and investing in this change is the way to go

RogerV · 09-18-2002, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
Hey Roger if you truely want to do this you need to take into account that $$ talks.

Rather than say banning and trying to clean the streets with your NwO, perhaps you should set up a pay structure that ENCOURAGES this TGP behavior.

Perhaps a higher rate. Money talks, and this may be the only thing that gets tgp people to convert to your ideas. Offer the "good" tgps more $$ per signup.

If tgps see more $$ they will be lining up to change.

However if you and your top 20 big boys wanna shut out the tgps for having hardcore, some other paysite is gunna make bank catering to them all.

Banning them is not the idea.
Encouraging them to change and investing in this change is the way to go

I totally agree
but it has to start somewhere
If it gets cleaned up we can all afford to raise payouts and the traffic or the surfers value goes up for may reasons.

Both sides need to work to gether and make it happen
you know what I mean. and what if the Processors steps in on the one sponsor who caters to them and turns them off.

they won't be able to get there own merchant acount to handle
all the cancels and chargebacks

quiet · 09-18-2002, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone

However if you and your top 20 big boys wanna shut out the tgps for having hardcore, some other paysite is gunna make bank catering to them all.

bingo.

boneprone · 09-18-2002, 02:39 AM

Cause realistically, if the top 20 pay programs decided to ban me and my tgps because of the "TGP PC" you are cooking up, Id go to a site that does pay tgp webamsters and isnt part of this Union of paysites banning tgps.

And im sure there would be TONS of them.
Yo can almost see the ad slogans now for these tgp friendly paysites saying that they are TGP friendly.

It would be a big mess.

Like i said, if you want this to work and want to clean this all up, encouragement is the way to go.

Offer "approved" tgps this higher rate, and leading by example these tgps will set the standard for others.

But realistically, there will always be hardcore tgp with too much free shit even with this dynamic.

boneprone · 09-18-2002, 02:44 AM

The writing is on the wall bro.
Free shit is happing at exponential groth rates.
the number of Pay sites are growing like mad, everyone and thier mother owns a fucking paysite now. Once you and your UNION wack out the tgps, are you going to go after next? all the paysites also?

If it isnt tgps, it will be kazza or morpheus. It if ist them it will be the growth of competing paysites. The market jsut isnt what it used to be. You can sit around and point fingers all day man, but face it the indusrty isnt what it used to be. What it used to be was the begining of an era. Its growing. And its goin to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Ive said this before and Ill say it again over and over.
Quality is the key. QUALITY is the only thing that will KEEP YOU ahead of the game. Quality is the only thing that will keep you IN the GAME. Ideas, creativity, Quality and marketing. Thats it.
I mean come on, it amazing these cookie cutter shit sites made the millions they did 4 years ago. Those days are over. Evolve and adapt or sink. Be better than the competition or move aside. Casue im tellin ya, and you know you see it, ideas and people getting in this biz are coming in and spreading like wildfire.

Weeding out this person and that person, and trying to gather up silly little unions of "big players" is just silly and not realistic.

The tide is coming in, and unless you build that house up higher its cunna get washed away by the growth and tide around you.

pornJester · 09-18-2002, 02:44 AM

RogerV · 09-18-2002, 02:45 AM

Boneprone I will be honest you seem to know more about the TGP's and what it would take to clean it up.
I've always focused on Paysites but I think we all need to figure something out.

and it might not just be the sponsors involved it could aslo be the 3rd party processors.

the bottom line is we need to clean it up as much as we can.
because all my buddies don't even need me to jack off online

they all know where to get it for free.

RogerV · 09-18-2002, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
The writing is on the wall bro.
Free shit is happing at exponential groth rates.
Pay sites are growing like mad, everyone and thier mother owns a fucking paysite now. Once you and your UNION wack out the tgps, are you going to go after all the paysites also?

If it isnt tgps, it will be kazza or morpheus. It if ist them it will be the growth of competing paysites.

Ive said this before and Ill say it again over and over.
Quality is the key. QUALITY is the only thing that will KEEP YOU ahead of the game.

Weeding out this person and that person, and trying to gather up silly little unions of "big players" is just silly and not realistic.

The tide is coming in, and unless you build that house up higher its cunna get washed away by the growth and tide around you.

I never said get rid of the TGP's all i'm saying is if i can jack off to your gallery your traffic sucks ass. Its that simple
why do you think we have all these charbacks and cancels they can get it all free
Period

pornJester · 09-18-2002, 02:49 AM

We need an internet mafia. We set a few rules on the quality of sites, and if you try and defy the rules a group of hackers wipes out your sites, your social security number, and everything so basically you don't exist anymore. Then your ass gets kidnapped and used for slave labor building websites. And if you try and escape we feed you to rabid goats

RogerV · 09-18-2002, 02:55 AM

there is room for everyone all I'm saying is it needs to clean up. so all of the paysites big and small will profit. and so will TGp's.

Cut the Surfers air supply off and see if he pays for oxygen.

Its very simple Supply and demand

Just like drugs on the street why do you think drug dealers do so well
they don't give you a Kilo for free and say have fun.
maybe you will pay me later.

09-17-2002, 06:58 PM	#1
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	TGP's and free porn? what would happen if all the sponsors stopped excepting TGP traffic untill it got censored or cleaned up some like no hardcore or showing pink ? Then maybe we would all take a little hit for a short period but we would clean things up then conversions and reaccuring would pick back up. In the long run this would benefit all of us for many reasons Like conversions,chargebacks,cancels,reaccuring Why should people stay a member and join or not cancel trials when they can jack off with out paying a dime

09-17-2002, 08:04 PM	#2
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	let me bump this up for you.... shemp __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

09-17-2002, 08:08 PM	#4
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Ok, what kind of traffic would you want? There's only so many different sources, and most of them involve showing free porn. Or am I wrong? Search engine and AVS are really the only two sources I can think of. I'm sure I'm missing something though... __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

09-17-2002, 08:09 PM	#6
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	And who cares about better conversions if you can't send the same amount of traffic? Remember Roger, it's all about the bottom line... __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

09-17-2002, 08:17 PM	#7
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,451	Well, I fully support the motion myself and I would love to see the sponsors step up to do this, unfortunately, I think someone will break down. If all the big boys agreed to ban TGP traffic, then the smaller sponsors would start accepting it and start growing. Unless you have the support of everyone, this won't work. The TGP's would literally lose so much money that they'll be forced to take any sponsor that's willing to take the traffic and hence it will break down. I wish this would happen, but realistically, I don't think it will ever be possible. WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-17-2002, 08:07 PM	#3
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Perhaps Pornkings should be the first to step up to the plate?

09-17-2002, 08:08 PM	#5
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	can someone tell me how this guy gets away with it? http://www.blondeangels.6x.to

09-17-2002, 08:26 PM	#8
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,226	It's a great idea in Theory, but as a sponsor how would you carry it out, other than canning webmasters for posting hardcore and not paying them...That I'm thinking, wouldn't go over to well?? Am I missing something? __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

09-17-2002, 08:29 PM	#9
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Roger, great idea, me and others been saying it for along time, but will it end. Nope don't think so.. It's ok to give a tease away, but not the whole orgasm) peace __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

09-17-2002, 08:34 PM	#10
drops Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 1,116	I think RogerV is heading in the right direction.. The ONLY way this would work is.. If the large TGP's stop accepting hardcore galleries and only shown softcore like RogerV mention, then the ratio of signups/convertions would increase naturally. If the surfer wants to see the good stuff, then the surfer need to pay. Member retention would increase, TGP owners would get paid more (more signups), and on a differant note.. maybe the government would get off our ass a bit because we are "trying to clean up the adult internet".. But you really need the backing of guys like Shemp, Ampland, Hun, and WorldSex.. You get those guys to do it.. Victory If you really think about it, its a WIN WIN situation for everyone.. Everyone makes money.. Jason - CherryBucks __________________ <img src=http://porndollar.com/webmasters/banners/porndollar/120x60_25_pd.gif border=0><br>$84 Per Signup \| $25 Per Free Signup \| $20 Per Cross Sales \| Credits On Exits \| Paid Weekly <br>Contact Info. http://porndollar.com/support.html Last edited by drops; 09-17-2002 at 08:38 PM..

09-17-2002, 08:48 PM	#11
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	Cut off the supply and demand goes up. pay more etc. It cleans things up and the traffic will be better targeted. If all the sponsors do it It might work and we will all make more money for many more years. Just ask your friends why they wouldn't pay for porn they will all tell you they can get it for free. Watch what happens when surfers can't get anymore free porn but most people only care about how much traffic who cares if they don't pay and they are under aged. the traffic might drop a little if it were softcore but the conversions will get better and so will the retention. Its just better for us in the long run We need to start focusing on the savvy surfers not just newb's

09-17-2002, 08:48 PM	#12
Bake Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Outback of bumfuck Aussie Posts: 4,948	I have the answer to this and Im nearly finished the programeing and It will work this time because it will make alot of money for the tgp owner unlike other attemps. We can make alot more money slow down free porn and lower BW if you wish to know more ICQ me. 77762980 __________________ Buy great domains from drunken burned out old webmaster CHEAP bullseyeporn.com art-met.com and more. Learn how to make a easy extra $500 per week

09-17-2002, 09:04 PM	#17
Captain P Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Right Behind You !! Posts: 309	I don't want it to sound like I'm whoreing my shit out but I do have some thoughts.... It's impossible to just expect the big TGP owners to change their ways. They need incentive which is what I tried to do with Diabolical Galleries. I'm giving the TGP owner 50% of my gallery designs... so he's willing to accept galleries that he normally would NEVER accept. It's a trade off cuz I started building galleries like Roger suggested... with less and less of the good shots. Even my hadcore galleries don't show any penetration... and they wouldn't get listed... but now the same gallery is everywhere. An example And even this gallery is too much I think. There is only 1 pussy shot with no pink and one penetration shot with the dildo but it's from a distance... and would be just enough to frustrate me into clicking thru... __________________

09-17-2002, 09:04 PM	#18
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	i wanna force all the savvy surfers to kazza ;)

09-17-2002, 09:13 PM	#19
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Captain P, when are you guys going to put pics on HTML pages?

09-17-2002, 09:14 PM	#21
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	Just like anything else cut off the supply and the demand will go up. Just show them enough to get them to pay on a trial and stick around. with all the shit out there they realize they can get it all for free. If you can jack off to it then it's all pointless

09-17-2002, 09:16 PM	#22
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	I think having hardcore sponser companies stop paychecks to anyone who has a hardcore gallery is a GREAT IDEA, especially since I don't sell hardcore pics with the hardcore galleries I have. That way I'll have the only true free hardcore galleries out there. Please try and get this idea off the ground. Please please please please please please please please. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

09-17-2002, 09:21 PM	#23
Braincash Fred Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,589	I suggest to buy all the traffic from The Hun for 24 hours and see if their's a difference in the signup. Then we would have some proof and reference... and this is possible

09-17-2002, 09:25 PM	#26
Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Porn Valley, CA Posts: 10,590	I think all TGPs should do this: 1. Throw the TGPs away. 2. Redirect ALL traffic to a new PaySite that offers every niche. 3. Track traffic w/ referral IDs. 4. Payout via referral ID tracking. Call the colaboration "TGPSinc". And put up a HUGE notice on the previous TGP stating: "PAY FOR YOUR PORN YOU FUCKERS!" OR You could just all ONLY accept advertisment posts... No galleries. If there's a NUDE pic on the page... decline/banned! You could write a bot that scans the post for images with flesh and pink tones, on images that are larger than 468x60/80. __________________ "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1." Last edited by Voodoo; 09-17-2002 at 09:29 PM..

09-17-2002, 10:26 PM	#29
pornJester Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 6,138	I think this topic has been on alot of people's minds lately. Here is an article we recently published... http://www.webmastervault.com/tip-tgpchange.shtml __________________ FreshBucks \| Webmaster Vault \| GayAW Trusted Names in Adult. ICQ 9157.3698

09-18-2002, 12:31 AM	#30
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	I know of 6 of the biggest sponsors who will back me and I can probably get most of them with some help. we just had a diner about tonight. two of the big sponsors I will say this we need the TGP's we just need to mellow it out. so the industry can survive. Because its getting totally out of control. and If all the top 20 sponsors go with it. I'm sure the Large TGp's will back it. it would just mean more money for all of us. It sure can't hurt trying! give me about two weeks and I will have it all put together. with the help of all the other sponsors if all goes well. I already know sponsors who will raise there payouts if the traffic has no where else to go and retains longer. make them pay to get off thats the bottom line. the traffic might be a little less on tgp's but it will be worth much more. it takes everyone's help but it can be done

09-18-2002, 12:34 AM	#31
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	RogerV this sounds great! __________________ Spam link here

09-18-2002, 12:38 AM	#32
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,451	Hi RogerV, If you can really get the support of all the sponsors you mentioned (6 already and up to 20), then this is very possible. In fact, I wish you the absolute best in your attempt, it would be a valient effort from one of the big players to help bring this industry back to the good old days where we could convert 1:100 on TGP's.... My hats to you Roger. PS: Will you be @ Island Gathering in 2 weeks? Not sure if you could get on the Epoch Jet, I just wanted to see... WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-18-2002, 12:49 AM	#33
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	Wake me up when the revolution begins, thanks guys, shemp __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

09-18-2002, 01:08 AM	#34
High Quality Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 5,741	there is always way too much speculation on this. Truth is, its never ever going to happen. You know the reasons. __________________ RecurCash.com - Averaging $38/sale with 60% revshare in the first 4 months alone! Convert your TEEN traffic today @ better than 1:500 guaranteed. ICQ me: 18287590!

09-18-2002, 01:55 AM	#38
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	I dont make major business decisions at 02:00 in the morning. I have never asked anyone to submit a hardcore gallery to me, nor have I ever rejected a gallery for being too softcore. The galleries now are no more hardcore than they were 4 years ago. I do know that there are many paysites out there owned by TGP owners. I have played by the rules of the game and have got a very small share of the TGP market. I think being dictated to by paysite owners of what constitutes a "good gallery" would not be well received. It would encourage me to send my traffic elsewhere, perhaps to those sites that remained TGP friendly. But as i said, it is too late for major decisons, this requires more thought and a whole lot more consultation, regards shemp __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

09-18-2002, 02:18 AM	#39
GoLiaT Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,130	Heheh you think we would have all these paysites poping up if it wasnt for tgp ? If we removed all tgp traffic we would see ALOT of paysites go down to __________________ "where ever you go..there you are."

09-18-2002, 02:34 AM	#41
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Hey Roger if you truely want to do this you need to take into account that $$ talks. Rather than say banning and trying to clean the streets with your NwO, perhaps you should set up a pay structure that ENCOURAGES this TGP behavior. Perhaps a higher rate. Money talks, and this may be the only thing that gets tgp people to convert to your ideas. Offer the "good" tgps more $$ per signup. If tgps see more $$ they will be lining up to change. However if you and your top 20 big boys wanna shut out the tgps for having hardcore, some other paysite is gunna make bank catering to them all. Banning them is not the idea. Encouraging them to change and investing in this change is the way to go __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

09-18-2002, 02:39 AM	#44
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Cause realistically, if the top 20 pay programs decided to ban me and my tgps because of the "TGP PC" you are cooking up, Id go to a site that does pay tgp webamsters and isnt part of this Union of paysites banning tgps. And im sure there would be TONS of them. Yo can almost see the ad slogans now for these tgp friendly paysites saying that they are TGP friendly. It would be a big mess. Like i said, if you want this to work and want to clean this all up, encouragement is the way to go. Offer "approved" tgps this higher rate, and leading by example these tgps will set the standard for others. But realistically, there will always be hardcore tgp with too much free shit even with this dynamic. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

09-18-2002, 02:44 AM	#45
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	The writing is on the wall bro. Free shit is happing at exponential groth rates. the number of Pay sites are growing like mad, everyone and thier mother owns a fucking paysite now. Once you and your UNION wack out the tgps, are you going to go after next? all the paysites also? If it isnt tgps, it will be kazza or morpheus. It if ist them it will be the growth of competing paysites. The market jsut isnt what it used to be. You can sit around and point fingers all day man, but face it the indusrty isnt what it used to be. What it used to be was the begining of an era. Its growing. And its goin to get a lot worse before it gets better. Ive said this before and Ill say it again over and over. Quality is the key. QUALITY is the only thing that will KEEP YOU ahead of the game. Quality is the only thing that will keep you IN the GAME. Ideas, creativity, Quality and marketing. Thats it. I mean come on, it amazing these cookie cutter shit sites made the millions they did 4 years ago. Those days are over. Evolve and adapt or sink. Be better than the competition or move aside. Casue im tellin ya, and you know you see it, ideas and people getting in this biz are coming in and spreading like wildfire. Weeding out this person and that person, and trying to gather up silly little unions of "big players" is just silly and not realistic. The tide is coming in, and unless you build that house up higher its cunna get washed away by the growth and tide around you. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 09-18-2002 at 02:48 AM..

09-18-2002, 02:44 AM	#46
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09-18-2002, 02:45 AM	#47
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	Boneprone I will be honest you seem to know more about the TGP's and what it would take to clean it up. I've always focused on Paysites but I think we all need to figure something out. and it might not just be the sponsors involved it could aslo be the 3rd party processors. the bottom line is we need to clean it up as much as we can. because all my buddies don't even need me to jack off online they all know where to get it for free.

09-18-2002, 02:49 AM	#49
pornJester Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 6,138	We need an internet mafia. We set a few rules on the quality of sites, and if you try and defy the rules a group of hackers wipes out your sites, your social security number, and everything so basically you don't exist anymore. Then your ass gets kidnapped and used for slave labor building websites. And if you try and escape we feed you to rabid goats __________________ FreshBucks \| Webmaster Vault \| GayAW Trusted Names in Adult. ICQ 9157.3698

09-18-2002, 02:55 AM	#50
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	there is room for everyone all I'm saying is it needs to clean up. so all of the paysites big and small will profit. and so will TGp's. Cut the Surfers air supply off and see if he pays for oxygen. Its very simple Supply and demand Just like drugs on the street why do you think drug dealers do so well they don't give you a Kilo for free and say have fun. maybe you will pay me later.