Steve Lightspeed - I'm not trying to pick on you for no good reason

[stocktrader23]

As it would appear in this thread.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=987547

It just annoys the shit out of me to see you fall from grace like this. You had the girls, you had the notoriety and most importantly you had the fucking traffic. You could have easily done something GREAT if you could stop getting pissed at the way things are and just work with what you have. Instead you are shooting yourself in the foot with a fucking rocket launcher and bragging about it the entire time.

Posting now for future reference, your shame and sue campaign will be an epic failure. Not only that, but you will singlehandedly ruin any chance you have of doing something amazing with your efforts.

It's fucking sad, and you are way too hardheaded to stop.

[Barefootsies]

This must be the 'tube killer' he had mentioned a year or so back.

Drown them in paperwork.

[SteveLightspeed]

Did this really need a seperate thread?

[stocktrader23]

At the time you hadn't replied. I figured you were snoozing and the other didn't address you personally so I figured small chance you'd see it.

I wrote the same there but I understand your frustration. I just think you're blowing your chance to do something epic with porn considering your position at the moment. I also think the endeavor will be counter-productive overall.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

At the time you hadn't replied. I figured you were snoozing and the other didn't address you personally so I figured small chance you'd see it.

I wrote the same there but I understand your frustration. I just think you're blowing your chance to do something epic with porn considering your position at the moment. I also think the endeavor will be counter-productive overall.

From the support I've received so far, I'd guess you are in the minority. Time will tell. As far as "doing something epic", I made it this far without stealing, cheating, or owing money to anyone. That IS epic in my book.

Steve Lightspeed

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

From the support I've received so far, I'd guess you are in the minority. Time will tell. As far as "doing something epic", I made it this far without stealing, cheating, or owing money to anyone. That IS epic in my book.

Steve Lightspeed

I have one question for you, do you still work with the top tier girls in your portfolio or are you just pushing premade content?

[SteveHardeman]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

As far as "doing something epic", I made it this far without stealing, cheating, or owing money to anyone. That IS epic in my book.

Steve Lightspeed

QFT right there. Never a rogue programmer, no "SL is stealing my content" threads, no "SL owes me money" threads, no card-banging threads, nothing nasty from a google search. Congrats.

Everyone should emulate this business model.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I have one question for you, do you still work with the top tier girls in your portfolio or are you just pushing premade content?

Actually, Jordan Capri is sitting on my lap right now, and Tawnee Stone is in my kitchen fixing me a nice meal.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

As it would appear in this thread.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=987547

It just annoys the shit out of me to see you fall from grace like this. You had the girls, you had the notoriety and most importantly you had the fucking traffic. You could have easily done something GREAT if you could stop getting pissed at the way things are and just work with what you have. Instead you are shooting yourself in the foot with a fucking rocket launcher and bragging about it the entire time.

Posting now for future reference, your shame and sue campaign will be an epic failure. Not only that, but you will singlehandedly ruin any chance you have of doing something amazing with your efforts.

It's fucking sad, and you are way too hardheaded to stop.

you know nothing - steve could bring out jordan capri today and struggle to do 20 sales a day - that's what's happened from piracy, thanks to Brazzers and all the rest.

steve had no different traffic then anybody else with solo sites, you should see what's happened to those sites that used to send lightspeed 50 sales a day - can't send 3 today.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Mutt

you know nothing - steve could bring out jordan capri today and struggle to do 20 sales a day - that's what's happened from piracy, thanks to Brazzers and all the rest.

steve had no different traffic then anybody else with solo sites, you should see what's happened to those sites that used to send lightspeed 50 sales a day - can't send 3 today.

I didn't tell him to do the same old, same old. I am well away of how the market has changed but there are things he could be doing within the current system to clean up like it's 1999.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Actually, Jordan Capri is sitting on my lap right now, and Tawnee Stone is in my kitchen fixing me a nice meal.

Come on man, there are several sites out there that keep the models actively involved. I was just asking if you were one of them.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I didn't tell him to do the same old, same old. I am well away of how the market has changed but there are things he could be doing within the current system to clean up like it's 1999.

Why aren't you doing these things yourself then? I've never even heard of your solo models.

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Actually, Jordan Capri is sitting on my lap right now, and Tawnee Stone is in my kitchen fixing me a nice meal.

Still working on your stand up routine

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I didn't tell him to do the same old, same old. I am well away of how the market has changed but there are things he could be doing within the current system to clean up like it's 1999.

like what - a massive campaign of social media site e-whoring poor saps into joining dating and cam sites using webcam bots using footage of his models?

i don't think steve wants to make money that way.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Why aren't you doing these things yourself then? I've never even heard of your solo models.

Honest answer, I'm way too lazy to deal with all of the laws covering porn so I never put my own sites online. That's not the point though. Nobody is knocking what you've done. In fact, it's fucking amazing how successfully you've marketed some of your girls. I can say Jordan Capri or Tawnee Stone just about anywhere and everyone will know who I'm talking about. All this means is that you are in the perfect position to do something big, you already have the exposure.

Originally Posted by Mutt

like what - a massive campaign of social media site e-whoring poor saps into joining dating and cam sites using webcam bots using footage of his models?

i don't think steve wants to make money that way.

Whatever gave you that idea? Social media is a great source but using videos of Jordan Capri to sell cams is retarded.

Mutt, you have an eye for amazingly beautiful girls as well. Once you understand that the paysite model will never recover maybe you can put your resources to better use as well.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Honest answer, I'm way too lazy to deal with all of the laws covering porn so I never put my own sites online. That's not the point though. Nobody is knocking what you've done. In fact, it's fucking amazing how successfully you've marketed some of your girls. I can say Jordan Capri or Tawnee Stone just about anywhere and everyone will know who I'm talking about. All this means is that you are in the perfect position to do something big, you already have the exposure.



Whatever gave you that idea? Social media is a great source but using videos of Jordan Capri to sell cams is retarded.

Mutt, you have an eye for amazingly beautiful girls as well. Once you understand that the paysite model will never recover maybe you can put your resources to better use as well.

prove you know what your're talking about and i'll be happy to pay you a handsome consulting fee.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Nobody is knocking what you've done.

Really? I must have misread your comment.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Better yet, make your piece of shit websites worth joining. They weren't worth $30 in 2004 and they damn sure aren't worth $30 now.

[Agent 488]

you admittedly have nothing to do with adult but some non-executed ideas so fuck off.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Mutt

prove you know what your're talking about and i'll be happy to pay you a handsome consulting fee.

I'll keep that in mind. ;) I know for certain that you wouldn't touch my pet project with a 10 foot pole, it's something completely different in the solo girl niche and not an easy sell to those that rely on the regular paysite model. It's going to take a special girl or girl / producer combo to even attempt it. That said, you were literally the first person I thought of when I started tossing around the idea. By the time you have enough proof you can just copy what has already been done.

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Really? I must have misread your comment.

Well, I was addressing everyone with that comment but I'm going to have to say that it holds true for you as well. I joined one of your sites long ago and there was so stunningly little content inside that I couldn't believe people would ever join and not cancel immediately. Even if you've increased the content tenfold over the years the market has changed in such a way that it would still not be worth $30.

When I say that I mean to the average consumer. I know that some people will pay to see their favorite girls no matter what but I think even you'd agree that your membership numbers are not where you'd like them to be. People expect more bang for their buck these days, especially when you can watch thousands of videos for no bucks at all.

[peterdrew1978]

i remember lightspeed...

I think piracy has some factors but actually it's very little impact. the truth is lightspeed content is kinda shit. the porn trend and public taste is for more rough kinky sex, not some fake ass bitch who's age is magically 18 for the past 10 years.

[SBJ]

hi i'm just passing though but i still miss the days where i made 10 sales in one day for Stacy Bride LOL..

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

People expect more bang for their buck these days, especially when you can watch thousands of videos for no bucks at all.

Thanks for proving my point! They ARE watching thousands of my videos for no bucks at all.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Thanks for proving my point! They ARE watching thousands of my videos for no bucks at all.

Sure, but they wouldn't be paying even if all of your content disappeared from Tube sites overnight. They'll just find another free video to spank it to.

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Why aren't you doing these things yourself then? I've never even heard of your solo models.

Why do you even debate these fools, Steve?

You should have a picture of Tawnee Stone lighting your bong while you and a couple of hotties relax on a giant pile of money at some Caribbean resort and just post it whenever some idiot tries to break your balls.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by Mutt

like what - a massive campaign of social media site e-whoring poor saps into joining dating and cam sites using webcam bots using footage of his models?

i don't think steve wants to make money that way.

Right, so instead he sues random surfers since he can not make any money otherwise... how is that better? I'm confused...

Also, none of the above is needed. There are plenty of paysites out there that are growing... the paysite game obviously still works...

Blaming others for your mistakes is just an easy way out... that excuse never worked in the past and it never will in the future.

[Slutboat]

OK WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT LIGHTSPEED PRODUCES NOW - the dude is paving the way for others to follow suit with regard to battling the scum puke Pirates. All you rich FUCKERS who made yours back in the day, and now just rest on your cushy laurels while the biz goes to SHIT, and don't give a fuck about the biz because your have your golden parachutes ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

You made milliions in the gold rush? - GIVE BACK! Battle these PIRATE FUCKS with some of the fast easy money you made back in the day so there is still a pay site model going fwd...

All you whales should have banded together a long time ago to battle piracy you greedy lazy fucks.

[ContentPimp]

You are doing a great job Steve and helping everyone!! Keep fishing out them pirates!!

[Nathan]

slutboat... we battle piracy all the time, I have sued quite a few sites in the past, but I do not run around and brag about it like a little child with a new toy.

[Slutboat]

Originally Posted by Nathan

slutboat... we battle piracy all the time, I have sued quite a few sites in the past, but I do not run around and brag about it like a little child with a new toy.

Thanks Manwin keep up the good fight.. but wait... hmmm why do I hear so many people accusing you guys of shady tube shit.. any response to those claims?

[KillerK]

Originally Posted by Nathan

slutboat... we battle piracy all the time, I have sued quite a few sites in the past, but I do not run around and brag about it like a little child with a new toy.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure, and Sexinyourcity never stole content or designs from anywhere? Pornhub doesn't have stolen content it or never did.

You should be banned from the board. You and your whole company should be booted out just like Xbiz should be.

[Nathan]

slutload, because people do not understand the concept...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Right, so instead he sues random surfers since he can not make any money otherwise... how is that better? I'm confused...

Why not sue the uploading or downloading pirates? They're money and not suing them is leaving money on the table. Your fear is people build a war chest to come after you for your list of IPs. Let suing the little fish pirates pay for suing the big fish pirates.

[Slutboat]

Originally Posted by Nathan

slutload, because people do not understand the concept...

thats the best you can do???

people dont understand the "concept" of why giving away 20 minute videos for free - with blazing FAST speed and FAST fast forwarding ability, is GOOD for the industry? - whether or not you happen to have purchased a big library of old shit from a content studio? OR just pretending that a "USER" uploaded it?

Oh I'm sure you have sued company's for pirating content from some of your flagship websites... but tell us - biggest of the big - Manwin boy - what exactly is it about your tube network that we don't understand?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I'll keep that in mind. ;) I know for certain that you wouldn't touch my pet project with a 10 foot pole, it's something completely different in the solo girl niche and not an easy sell to those that rely on the regular paysite model. It's going to take a special girl or girl / producer combo to even attempt it. That said, you were literally the first person I thought of when I started tossing around the idea. By the time you have enough proof you can just copy what has already been done.

Finding that special girl is very tough. After 30 years in the business I know. About 1 in 10 girls you meet are good. 1 in 100 are very good. 1 in a 1,000 are special. Then keeping her special is your next problem. Most girls get stale doing this work, they just lose it either by going off the boil or becoming Pre Madonnas.

Your next problem is paying her. Forget about a rev share type deal. A special girl wants cash on the table. Most decent girls can earn $1,000 a week being non exclusive. A special one can earn more. Can you afford $50,000 a year + bonuses to keep her happy and working?

And then you have the problem of dealing with her boyfriends who want her to stop or think she could earn more if she turned the screws on you.

Very few companies employ girls under contract for long. The above are a few of the reasons.

And here's another reason your "special girl" theory is wrong. Put a special girl in front of a mediocre to average shooter and she's not special anymore.

Well, I was addressing everyone with that comment but I'm going to have to say that it holds true for you as well. I joined one of your sites long ago and there was so stunningly little content inside that I couldn't believe people would ever join and not cancel immediately. Even if you've increased the content tenfold over the years the market has changed in such a way that it would still not be worth $30.

Agreed and said it from day 1 of joining the adult Net. After a sponsor has paid all the other costs little is left for the content of a site.

[kazbalah]

Its sad to say but i think your fighting a losing battle.

Hollywood was sending out law suits to users of kazaa - they figured out it would take around 3000 years to do them all.

3000 YEARS.

It SUCKS tube sites are changing the way business is done online, it really is.

But the internet is changing all the time. Adapt, or die.

Did you all really think it was going to last forever?

Im sure my reply is going to be unpopular - But i only speak the truth.

Shit i dont like it, my tgps are dying and my sales are going down, but what can i do? Sit on my ass and hope its going to go away?

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Nathan

slutload, because people do not understand the concept...

People understand the concept only too well.

You know, with each passing day your arguments are beginning to read more and more like Gideon's gibberish.

Do yourself a favor and go to bed.

.

[Slutboat]

Have you guys seen FUX.com?

Holy shit is staggering the sheer quantity and quality of the video - FAST speed and the ability to fast forward INSTANTLY to any point in the video... Is this a Manwin property? Is the "Concept" we are supposed to learn to understand and love?

check out their 2257 - Yea this is a "VIDEO SHARING SITE" give me a fucking break..

Fux.com is not a producer (primary or secondary) of any and all of the content found on the website (Fux.com). With respect to the records as per 18 USC 2257 for any and all content found on this site, please kindly direct your request to the site for which the content was produced.
Fux.com is a video sharing site in which allows for the uploading, sharing and general viewing of various types of adult content and while Fux.com does the best it can with verifying compliance, it may not be 100% accurate.


Guys like Lightspeed should be going after THESE FUX! (but oh sorry I'm sure you get a large part of your remaining sales from Manwin traffic, am I wrong?)

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

The Slut Boat soon will be making another run
The Slut Boat promises something for everyone

Best watch that Nathan's pirates don't board your boat and carry off all the sluts.

.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Nathan

slutload, because people do not understand the concept...

Yea, I know... we're all idiots, none of us understand the law, it won't work, we do not understand the concept... yadda, yadda... you say the same thing in every thread, we get it. We're all just dummies. Thanks.

The truth is, your very livelihood is on the line. Without people who steal these movies, they can not upload them to your tubes. I don't need to tell the rest of that story, you know how it goes.

Why else would you be posting over, and over, and over again in Steve's threads if you know it to be a waste a time? I know that if I was worth millions of dollars and owned the largest content library in the universe (did I quote that right?), I wouldn't be wasting my time posting on GFY of all places or giving my 2 cents to people who I thought were idiots who didn't understand anything. But you know what may be coming, that's why you can't stop posting about it.

The bottom line is this, we don't know the outcome of any of this, but all of your postings show your nervous about it. You are following Steve around from thread to thread like a lap dog. Hardly the actions of a man who is so wealthy and with such a large business.

[Nathan]

Dwb, we get 400 new videos a day from studios that own the licenses... Trust me, I am in no way worried about my livelihood...

Regarding your 'I am too rich to post on gfy' remark. I care for the industry. I think steve is making a mistake. And I stand up for what I believe in.

[Matyko]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

From the support I've received so far, I'd guess you are in the minority. Time will tell. As far as "doing something epic", I made it this far without stealing, cheating, or owing money to anyone. That IS epic in my book.

Steve Lightspeed

Respect!

[selena]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I care for the industry.

GFY will not allow me to post the million 's that that statement makes me want to post.

So I will settle for a single one.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by kazbalah

Its sad to say but i think your fighting a losing battle.

Hollywood was sending out law suits to users of kazaa - they figured out it would take around 3000 years to do them all.

3000 YEARS.

Done right that could be 3000 years of earning off pirates.

Maybe Steve is right and it's a cash cow waiting to be milked. Time will tell.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Dwb, we get 400 new videos a day from studios that own the licenses... Trust me, I am in no way worried about my livelihood...

Regarding your 'I am too rich to post on gfy' remark. I care for the industry. I think steve is making a mistake. And I stand up for what I believe in.

Yes of course you do. Which is why you allow Joe Shmoe to upload anything he likes. Or have you blocked unauthorised uploaders? If you had 400 studios uploading content you would have loads of clips with adverts allover them.

Someone is going to build a war chest and come after you. You're too big and too rich to ignore. The gap in your DMCA protection is that you don't monitor what is being uploaded. If you did monitor, your site would be full of films that would have the FBI knocking on your door and clips with full blown adverts in.

[SleazyBear]

Good or bad you gotta give Steve Lightspeed some props. Instead of sitting on his hands and bitching about a problem, he is trying to do something about it. Steve gained my respect one night by the pool in Miami many years ago.

[Grapesoda]

Paul Markham;17507802]Finding that special girl is very tough. After 30 years in the business I know. About 1 in 10 girls you meet are good. 1 in 100 are very good. 1 in a 1,000 are special.

very true indeed

Then keeping her special is your next problem. Most girls get stale doing this work, they just lose it either by going off the boil or becoming Pre Madonnas.

new boyfriend $.02

Your next problem is paying her. Forget about a rev share type deal. A special girl wants cash on the table. Most decent girls can earn $1,000 a week being non exclusive.

new girls are earning much, much more than that in LA. then they start hooking and make much much more

And here's another reason your "special girl" theory is wrong. Put a special girl in front of a mediocre to average shooter and she's not special anymore.

not so sure this is true

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

new girls are earning much, much more than that in LA. then they start hooking and make much much more

I was trying to be conservative and not going for the top.

Originally Posted by bm bradley

not so sure this is true

Seen a lot of good and some special girls shot by average and mediocre shooters who just never got anything out of them. OK some girls will always pull out that extra little bit that makes them special. But if the shooter isn't able to put that into a scene that has something extra to offer it's still very often average porn.

And those girls earn a lot more than $1,000 a week. A lot lot more.

Originally Posted by SleazyBear

Good or bad you gotta give Steve Lightspeed some props. Instead of sitting on his hands and bitching about a problem, he is trying to do something about it. Steve gained my respect one night by the pool in Miami many years ago.

Yes Steve is standing up and doing something which is more than most do. Steve has always been like this. Remember who took a stand against Acacia?

Maybe if he's successful a lot more will jump on the bandwagon. kazbalah it won't take 3000 years if 400 content owners go down the same route.

[candyflip]

Suing random people didn't work for the RIAA or MPAA. They spent almost $30 million last year and had a return of under $4 million.

I hope this doesn't bust Steve out in the long run.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Suing random people didn't work for the RIAA or MPAA. They spent almost $30 million last year and had a return of under $4 million.

I hope this doesn't bust Steve out in the long run.

I could be wrong, but when someone gets a notice because they stole "Hurt Locker" it's a little different than if they get a notice for stealing "Black-Tgirls.com." How you gonna explain that one to your wife?

You can bet your ass if they have a family, they are going to pay up.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Right, so instead he sues random surfers since he can not make any money otherwise... how is that better? I'm confused...

Also, none of the above is needed. There are plenty of paysites out there that are growing... the paysite game obviously still works...

Blaming others for your mistakes is just an easy way out... that excuse never worked in the past and it never will in the future.

He's protecting his property - his content - and going after people who view it without paying him for it. It's no different than the big movie studios going after YouTube or the music companies going after people who downloaded their music and listened to it without paying for it.

The music industry is a great example. Zillions of people downloaded music without ever paying for it. That music is owned by someone and it's not to be given away. It needs to be paid for before you can listen to it. It's no different here.