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03-15-2008, 06:08 PM
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Let's get this over with Candyflip. Enough already....
You keep crying about the banners I did for you. Lets get down to what happened.
1. You provided me with 0 logo psd files. 2. You provided with me HORRIBLE content. 3. Upon delivery of the banners, you gave me 0 feedback. So instead of trying to slam me in various threads, why havent you messaged me on icq? Why havent you come to me about this? Am I supposed to read each and every customers mind? If you did not like the banners then you shoul dof said something to me. YOU NEVER DID. I would of gladly adjusted or changed them best I could given the materials you provided. As a matter of fact I will still CHANGE the banners if you would like. I am extending the offer here even though it has been weeks since you recieved the banners. If you do not want me to change them/replace them, then stop bitching about it on the forum. Fair is fair. You know my icq. |
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Candyflip complaining about the work quality of designers ? Last I heard he was the one scamming arround and not delivering on the work he was supposed to do.
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And I am not going to argue in this thread either.
I will glady redo all of the banners if you'd like. I would of gladly redone all of them at the time you ordered them as well. You NEVER messaged me about them. You need to just shoot me a message on icq with the location of content and logo psd files. |
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03-15-2008, 06:29 PM
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You missed the fact this guy was reselling my work before? the guy "candyflip" is a scammer, I wouldnt mess with him...
Anyone who deals with Jason berardi should have their head examined.... classic scammer... numerous people have been scammed by him in one way or another. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=765109
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Headless, sorry for the offtopic, but I really love a banner in your sig!
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Post the banners... I've been waiting for candyflip to do something that will get him in some shit and so would love to see what site etc. these banners are for..
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03-16-2008, 06:05 AM
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Bump to this thread since Candyflip is ignoring it.
I am going to redo the banners. Id rather redo them then have this fag prance around with his bullshit. Let ie be known, since I started bitching about his content he has resized the images and replaced the water on them via his CMS which I believe is Awiz. So I might actually be able to make decent banners this go around. Also once the new set of banners is delivered, he will have NO RIGHT to bitch anymore. Which is more of the reason why I am redoing them. |
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03-16-2008, 06:22 AM
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We offered this guy a sony PSP (and he's not even one of our affiliate) and he never said "thank you"
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03-16-2008, 06:29 AM
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03-16-2008, 10:00 AM
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For some reason candyrip will not post in this thread. I guess he feels more comfortable in the other thread considering all of my bashers are having fun with him in it.
Anyway his redone banners are below. Just like they would of been if candyflip had provided me with the bigger pictures and logo psd files like I requested back in December. Also I took the liberty to photoshop out the logos since you could not provide them to me like I asked originally. Which btw is far beyond what I should of done considering how much you have trashed me and how much you paid for the banners. Maybe next time when you work with a designer you will learn how to communicate with them and provide feedback to them when they submit work to you. Maybe you will also provide them with content that can actually make great looking banners. Candyflip I consider us even and if you continue to spread bullshit about my work I will talk to the powers at be and appropriate action will be taken. In redoing your banners I came across the following and I figured I'd give YOU some tips because like you said, those who throw stones, should not live in glass houses. All of the images in your ebony site's members area are 352x240 video screencaps. You should think about doing something about that. Webmaster nor surfers will appreciate them. For the old granny site. You had 10 pictures sets with grainy screen caps no bigger then 640x480. Once again, you should look into better hosting if you are afraid of using big pics and incurring the bandwidth costs to host them. Unless of course all you have is screen caps from grainy videos. For Haley Huffs sites none of the image or galleries were clickable. Couldn't get any content. How am I supposed to work with that? For both Magic Missy and Cute Katina, the content needs to be edited badly. It is out of focus, lighting is horrible, the positions and models posing were horrible. Content like this makes a designers job miserable. And one other thing, stop running around calling yourself a designer. I really hope you did not design those paysites. The bright fluorescent blue/green is really hard on the eyes and its really hard to work with. Banners redone are below:         |
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03-16-2008, 10:44 AM
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These are the type of banners I was expecting in the first place. I didn't change any content in my backend, so like I said...you can throw that theory out of the window.
Here's another thing. I don't call myself a designer but I am fully capable. If you want to put anything you've done head to head with anything I've done and let some of the folks here decide, I'd be more than happy to. And here are the first banners you did, just so everyone who hasn't seem them before can see what you tried to pawn off on me.     Big difference for sure. |
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I know what goes into the banners and I know that what you gave me the first time couldn't have taken you more than an hour tops. In fact, you messaged me and told me that you were finishing them up after putting me off for four days and an hour later I had them...so that sorta validates my theory if you ask me. I appreciate that you took a few minutes to do some new ones, thank you. They are more along the lines of what I was expecting in the first place and are already added to my affiliate admin area. |
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Actually, if you would provided me with some customer feedback back in Decemeber this would of been taken care of. But you didnt. You decided to hold it agaisnt me and slam me every chance you could. That is what I call unfair and uncalled for.... Actually its more like playing dirty. But why would I expect anything else from a fucking thief. |
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03-16-2008, 11:57 AM
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Again, you keep trying to pawn this off like it was my fault I got shitty banners and not yours. Did you not see the banners I made with THE SAME EXACT CONTENT? I paid you to do them so that I could free up time to work on other things. When I got absolute shit for results, I DID go and do my own banners...which I posted for you to see.
Again, you took upfront payment...put me off for four days...and then delivered garbage. Then you expect me to follow up? In the time I would have spent doing that I pumped out 20 or so banners on my own...which is probably what I should have done in the first place. Feel free to keep blaming me and calling me a thief. You had no problem taking my money when you needed it. I'm sure it's obvious to everyone regardless of what they think of me that you're pretty much a hack. Remember, I let this go until you felt it was your duty to attack anyone and everyone to get yourself some exposure. If your "design" work was any good, it would speak for itself. |
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Yes you are... so then, yes its your fault you got shit in return. I am a designer. I am not a turn shit to gold magican. Quote:
Headless: when do you need them banners? tonight or tomorrow or? candflip: no rush really. candyflip: i just want to get things launched and this would save me some time. headless: cool cool... im up for them... can have em done tomorrow night... was going to go with the wifey to watch tv for a lil bit... That was on the 10th of December. You recieved them on the 13th of december. Reason being we had a huge snow storm coming and I had to rearrange my schedule to get shit done before it hit. I dont think 3 day turn around a 12 banners is a bad thing. Especially since the customer told me "no rush really". Icq proves this... on 12/12/07 9:17 PM Headless: dont think i forgot about your banners... ill have them to you shortly... just gotta finish them up... had to go shoping tonight b4 we get slammed with a foot of snow tomorrow... LOL |
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Bottom line...
You gave me shit content. You gave me 0 logo psd files. You expect miracles. You have 0 communication skills. If you were not satisfied you should of messaged me. Not posted on the forum with your gripe. That is UNPROFESSIONAL. But what do I epxect from someone such as yourself right.... I am done. You have you banners. Leave me the fuck alone. |
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Yes, Rly...10th, 11th, 12th, 13th...four days. And to think we both come from the same NYS school system.
You said 24 hour turnaround, not me. I cut you some slack. Cutting you some slack turned in to about 4 days. I don't think 3-4 days is bad either, when I'm told that's how long it will take. But that wasn't the case. Again man, keep trying your hardest to turn this around on me. We both used the same content to build the banners. I think it's pretty clear to everyone that your "skills" are lacking...severely. Why didn't you ask me for better content, why all of the sudden is it "the content was shitty, so you got shitty banners"? You keep mentioning the PSDs too. Which I said I didn't have as the former owner didn't provide them. You mean to tell me that because I can't provide them to anyone, that I should expect a shitty product in return? That's retarded, and regardless of what people think of me...I'm sure they'll still agree. You wanna keep going back and forth on this, no problem. It's Sunday and I'm just killing time. |
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Oh and btw... If i went ahead and took the logos off of the banners I did today... they would be identical to the banners you are bitching about...
Anyone who designs banners on a regular basis knows that a logo in a banner makes one hell of a difference... But then again you're not a designer, you wouldnt know this |
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Now I am offically done... Time to spend some time with my daughter...
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Someone's panties are in a twist. Getting many new people inquiring about your "skills" today?
Again, I did do some pretty nice banners with out the PSD logos. Keep talking like you're an actual designer, it's really funny. |
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Headless, i have a question if you dont mind me asking?
Just out of interest, why did you not request better content if you were not happy with the content provided? When i design, if i cant pull of something with the content provided i explan why and request more. I do also go out my way to make sure the client is happy, frequent updates and asking for feedback etc.. But thats just me, being new to adult i aim to please. I like the banners you post above too, nice work on them! Good luck on sorting this issue out! |
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LOL, I can't believe this tard is crying about like what 6 banners?
For what how much? 60 bucks? Please Candyass, ya fucken broke dick. Headless does fine work and for 10 bucks a banner you got a fucken deal you sniveling Koont. Jeesus how fucken retarded... I bet ya just got Headless to do the shit because ya wanted to start some shit. Headless does great business and far more trust worthy then you're retarded ass. Keep up the good stuff Headless.
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He did make things right and I do appreciate it, but he still feels the need to try and make everything think that this is all my fault and that I was hard to work with...when that is absolutely NOT the case. I paid upfront. Cut him some slack on his turnaround time and let things slide when it was obvious he couldn't produce. |
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Jesus christ... Seriously... I can not stop from laughing about this. But really on a serious note. Seriously you might want to consider looking at other banners. You are missing just about point a banner should make in this lousy animated piece of shit graphic. Is it supposed to be banner or somthing that makes surfers realise they better just leave the website?
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You people calling yourselves designers these days is fucken wacked. For 10 bucks a banners ya get what ya pay for. Ya may as well just flush your money in the toilet. Banners like this do not work and uit is unreal that you dipshits scrap over 10 bucks a banner when the goal is to make banners that work, not some silly piece of graphic for the sake of having a graphic. I seen better text links.
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Only thing I should be validating is this.
10 bucks a banner ya get what ya pay for. Headless may not be a master yet, or maybe thats what he does for 10 bucks for people that want the cheap shit for what reasons who knows. Point is... I am literally ashamed that todays Photoshop dablers are actually calling themselves designers these days.
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This thread is so funny in so many ways.
Oh and there's one major flaw with all of the banners on display in here - apart from the obvious ones. Will be fun to see when someone figures that one out
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mrwilson 2.0
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I recently came over from mainstream, adult design is hell of alot different then mainstream therefore my adult designing skills are lacking but i still call myself a designer. imo if some one can open photoshop and produce something that works the way its meant to then they're designers. |
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03-16-2008, 02:26 PM
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Carpe Visio
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