carzygirls

Ok at programming. Anyone heard of him? Anyone else know the languages well and ready for hire?

garce

carzygirls

Is he not a good programmer?

garce

I have no idea. I don't recall saying that he wasn't.

This sentence:

inspired the facepalm.

carzygirls

oh.. ok. I'm just basically looking for a programmer who doesn't rip people off if given... say... $750 up front expecting something and getting nothing.

Also not looking for programmers who will NOT charge $900 for an automated email incorporated into site... just a down to earth competent individual who, in general, does not suck donkey ass

GrouchyAdmin

Here ya go, buddy. Free of charge:

PHPMailer.

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I can work for you as long as I get a fair pay for hard work and bonuses here and there, that motivates me.

I'm a PHP / MySQL / AJAX / JQUERY / HTML / CSS I can basically do it all if I have the proper documentation...

Cheers.

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carzygirls

That sounds fair... Can you bring one client in this thread and post positive for you?

scriptguy

Right now there's no one online so I can tell you that you can give me any test and I'll do it.
(right now I'm a little tired since here is morning, sometimes I code over my limit since I'm sleepless )

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carzygirls

ok... here's the test... I need an email activation incorporated into an already signup process requiring email (I just need the email actually confirmed... I think they call that double opt it)

I need an email automatically sent after someone signs up on my site, a few things to that but that can wait.

So, I guess my test is this and I will email you specifics... get the email confirmation step working on my site and also my contact page is not working... fix that one as well.

2 simple things for a good programmer... you do that you have a bunch more work. I will contact you with the details via your sig.

carzygirls

your email I reached by clicking your sig did not work

scriptguy

you can send an email trough here: http://24hscripts.com/contact.php or send an email to webmaster[at]24hscripts[dot]com

I'll go to sleep, just send the info I need to my email and I can start working after I wake up

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GrouchyAdmin

md5($user + $content + time())
mysql_query(insert into ... where user_id=)
mail()

function activate(..) {
...
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carzygirls

I got a quote for $900 to have an automated email sent 4 days after a trial signup. The trial is all setup and only need email sent out... programmer told me it would take 2 full days of writing code and checking for errors

GrouchyAdmin

Someone needs money, or really fucking sucks. A trivial issue such as rand(x,y) or time() is more than enough to thwart most efforts for auto-fucking, and anyone who says md5 is too trivial is a bullshit artist. Nobody cares enough to hack an 'activate' function if it's written well enough.

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carzygirls

adultcoder... he's been recommended here before but I am actually offended by what he proposed for contract

GrouchyAdmin

I don't know him personally, so I can not say. I no longer do adult as there's more money in mainstream work. I recommended mrkris, and Tanguay before, and rather few others here. I have never worked, or suggested 'adultcoder', as I have never seen his work.

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v4 media

I've had some dealings with both Adult Coder and Cyber, and would work with both of them again.

I've sent over this thead to Cyber, but not sure if he's still doing adult stuff.

Horny Guy

Scriptguy has done great work for me in the past

Cyber has a awsome wordpress plugin to

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DamianJ

Fuck me, there have been really shit obvious trolls here before you, but you are more shit and more obvious than all of them put together. Well done. Have a prize.

carzygirls

More shit, fuck me? What does that mean? You don't think i've emailed scriptguy?

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I'm stucked here...

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comeplay

there is your other day of coding im sure.. you can't ask one coder for one thing then another for something different then compare the two as far as complexity or time-line.

I recommend scriptworkz but i'm not sure if they are accepting work at this time or not http://scriptworkz.com

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carzygirls

I can tell you with 100% certaintity I will not pay a coder $900 to install an automated email upon signup with a coupon code...

sarettah

What all did you ask for that he quoted because each time you state something in this thread you add another little thing on.

So far what I have from this is:

1. you want a confirmation email sent out on sign up. That email would include a confirmation/activation link that would have to be visited before the user would be activated.

2. The sign up may or may not include handling some kind of coupon code. Does the coupon code database exist already or does that part need to be written?

3. Then 4 days after the trial signup another email goes out.

Do you need a screen to manage the emails and be able to see who has activated?
Do you need the emails to be dynamic? or is it the same email basically each time?
etc etc etc..........

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carzygirls

I really don't want to answer your question but will, I'm not giving specifics because I want a programmer to read and then give me a quote... I'll do that privately...

but I will anyway...

Email confirmation link upon first signup.
Provide a code in email that is sent out 4 days after signup... if entered on site within the next few days user is directed to a page that has 30% off billing... on my server.
Database already exists to see the members and no email is not dynamic... same one everytime.

It's ridiculous looking for a qualified programmer all the time and shit like... "I charge $160/hr because I can do things 8 times faster then a junior programmer" and then they just don't. You know?... it's not rocket science.

Charging attorney and doctor fees from a so/so programmer is ludicrous. I have found my shit does not get done any faster, I pay a whole lot more, and just am not very happy with the programmers from past.

This board should have a section called qualified programmers and rates. Post them up, people leave feedback, and many people like myself would use it.

sarettah

I am a programmer asking the question. Just trying to wrap my brain around what all you want here.

Ok, the coupon code part, you would want that so a code can only be used once, right? Is it ok if someone other than the person who signed up for the trial uses the coupon? or does it have to be the person who originally signed up?

I am assuming the 30% off part is accomplished by an alternate join page (as you indicated) and the program does not have to mess with it other than to get the user to the page.

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carzygirls

Right, it would be a separate page and I do not care who uses the code as long as its validity terminates 3 days after being generated. That way I could send emails later on to users offering a similar deal and try and get them to pay again.

carzygirls

What I've posted though is just an example... what happens when I say my contact us page is emailing right? Another $400 to fix it? It's just that... projects develop over time as there is a need, a decent hourly rate to me is far better then a quote for a site/project that is already in development.
Lump sum projects, to me, are for new projects and an hourly rate for doing the massaging to the site and crossing the T's.

sarettah

Can a coupon code be used more than once? Meaning can 5 different users all come in using the same coupon code during it's active peripod (3 days after generation).

Jumping back to the initial confirmation email. Right now, in your system, I am assuming that when someone signs up they are intially active. So that would have to change so that they are intially inactive and do not go to an active status until confirmation/activation.

What kind of code are we dealing with for the existing system? Do you have source code if it is encoded? N eed to know this because the easiest way to change the initial status would be modifying the join up part where the user gets written to the database. If we cannot modify the existing code then a wraparound that goes in and inactivates the record immediately after creating it would have to be written. That would be a much clunkier way to go.

Could also be that we luck out and the active status on sign up is being controlled by a default in the database and all that would have to happen would be to change that default.

As a programmer I usually will provide a lump sum quote where I can see that it will benefit both myself and my client.

I would much rather bill stuff hourly for actual time spent.

Problem is that most clients think you should work for the estimate and never go over (at least on what they are billed) which in essence is a lump sum quote. If there are lots of unknowns then the quote needs to be higher to handle them. If we can eliminate the unknowns and get to a fairly concise requirements list then we can do a much more accurate quote.

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Cyber Fucker

There are a lot of Cybers there... I guess the thread is not about me since I am noob to advance programming.

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That would, of course, depend on what has to change to fix it.

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carzygirls

Honestly, these are 2 many questions and I don't see your contact info if you want to leave it then do so. How can requiring email verification, just like this forum "Please check your email and click validation link to complete activation", generate so many questions? It is likely one of the simplest things for a coder to do.
Why is it for 3 years I can make 1 phone call and 1 email to my designer and he comes through 100% of the time? I've never switched designers unless he is way backed up and the design is something like a banner.

pornguy

Just make sure who ever you hire has some refs

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sarettah

Because we do not know your system. If we know what the code is like we can give a more accurate picture of what all needs to be done. The less info up front the higher the quote because we have to leave a bunch of "discovery" time.

My contact info is in my profile, where it belongs :p

Because you have a 3 year history with them the communication is much easier and the fact that design and programming are two totally different functions.

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Kiopa_Matt

Got some contact info? Sorry, but I'm not posting my client's information publicly, and I'm not going to ask them to post in this thread.

If wanted, drop me a line... troywilk [at] gmail.com

And yes, the e-mail verification thing is quite simple. It was included in a project I just completed, and I probably did it for free, since it was a large project. Separately though, that would be a max of 0.5 hours from me.

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carzygirls

I have your information but someone is looking into some things now for me.

Just a question though, if you say you won't post your client's information but then tell me "you" would charge .5 hours to do an email verification, what does that mean?

Kiopa_Matt

I mean, every member on GFY doesn't need to know who I work with, and I'm certain my clients wouldn't appreciate me letting everyone know. I'm happy to connect you in private for references though.

Then if a client came to me, asking to develop account e-mail verification, I would most likely quote 0.5 hours. That's assuming there's more work than just that though.

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sarettah

good luck with that.

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Clusterfuck of a thread here.

ottopottomouse

What a confused mess.

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sarettah

Not an attack here but you must be a much better application designer than I am because there is no way I could give an accurate quote with the information available so far.

Oh, I see. So you are hoping that your half hour is good but you need additional work involved to cover your ass in case you're low on it

If a new programmer is not asking lots of questions then I would suggest you beware of them.

No 2 systems are exactly alike, what you want done, if done properly, involves interacting with your existing system and database. Without knowing what the system looks like (what language it is coded in, whether the code is encoded or not, etc etc) and without knowing what the database looks like there is no way (in my opinion) that someone can give you an accurate read of what effort and time will be required to pull off what you want to pull off.

I have numerous email confirmation/activation routines I have put together across the years and one of them might be a very nice fit for what you want to do but I cannot make that decsion without digging down to get more information.

Nah, there are lots simpler things we do for clients all the time.

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Kiopa_Matt

Because it's a simple job. User joins, gets e-mail saying "click this link", user clicks link, and is allowed to access member's area. Regardless of software he's using, it should be quite easy, unless it's encoded with IonCube or something.

If for whatever reason the project turns into a pain because he chose a shitty software platform, I'll just add a little extra on my quote for the next project to recuperate. Good clients don't give a shit. They just want a quote, approve it, get the job done, and move onto the next item.

As long as both are happy with the total amount outgoing / incoming, then all is fine. Doesn't matter if it takes me an extra couple hours to complete a certain project, and I add those extra hours onto a future project. Good clients won't care, and they definitely don't want to waste their time bickering over an hour or two of rates with a developer. As long as they know they're well taken care of, and you're honest, they're happy.

In other words, good clients appreciate someone who is good, quick, efficient, and to the point.

No, because I'm not looking for new clients, but am always open to them. If I was looking for new clients, I'd have contact info in my sig. Clients who are only capable of throwing you a couple hundred here and there, generally aren't worth dealing with, and are more of drain than anything. These are the guys who usually try to fuck you around, and squeeze every last free minute they can out of you.

I'd take a project like this on as a test of my abilities, but under somewhat of an understanding, assuming I prove myself to his satisfaction, there'd be at least a $1500 project waiting for me. Otherwise, it's not really worth it.

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carzygirls

Sent you an email. I think we may be on the same page "generally" speaking. Everything "except" charging client more next time for job underbid first time but am willing to overlook that comment... or at least interpret it differently then it sounded

sarettah

You are making some assumptions there.

I agree completely that an email confirmation/activation module is a fairly simple task for the most part.

However, that said, without a clue to the infrastructure involved, that is an assumption. As with any assumption, it may be right and it may be wrong.

This script would have to interact with an existing user database. The output of it, from what the op has said, is a double optin compliant email list, in addition to the user activation functionality.

A double opt in database requires 5 pieces of data minimally:

email address
ip of original opt in
date time of original opt in
ip of opt in confirmation
date time of opt in confirmation

Mod 1:
The first task is making the program send an email at sign up time. In that email would be whatever text the owner wants plus a link to the confirmation page. This could be a link to a static page where the user enters information or it could be to a unique link that when clicked will do the confirmation/activation automatically.

To do this we have to know where to hook in to the sign up routine (probably right after the user table write) and we need to send them to a page telling them that they will get a confirmation email. We also need to make sure that the user record is not activated yet. We also might have to create a unique link generator of some sort.

Mod 2. We need a script to capture the confirmation. This script needs to analyze data passed in from the link that was clicked to pull in the appropruate user data or have a screen for the user to enter their username and password OR email address to pull up the record. Whether the record is pulled up automatically or we pull it up from data that the user enters we then need to wrte the confirmation data somewhere and then mark the user as active so that they can now access the member area.

Database considerations:

Do we modify the existing users table or create a separate ancillary table to hold the new information? If we modify the existing user table then we might create a snowball effect down the line. Are there hard coded queries that additional fields will interrupt? Are there hardcoded backup/restore routines that will lose the fields, etc, etc.

If we go to an ancillary table then we need to modify the sign up routine to write the intial record to our ancillary table or we can create a database trigger so whenever a new user for a free trial is added a record is automatically created in our additional table. Again, there are database considerations to take into acount if we go with a trigger.

Site considerations:

Is the site templated or not ? Do we have to interact with smarty or another template system in some fashion? Is there a designer that will take our code snippets and integrate them properly with the existing layout or are we going to have to do that integration?

The answers to all of these questions affects how much time is involved in this quite simple project.

Just in my ever so humble opinion, of course.

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Ooops. misstatement. wiped the post. sorry about that

Carry on ;p

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sarettah, you're missing my point. Do you really believe any potential client gives a flying fuck about what you just wrote? Of course not. We're the developers, and it's our job to take care of these things. That's why we get paid.

For example, say a client tells me, "ok, got 10 new boxes online, so please setup SMTPs on them with rDNS, SMTP auth, SPF records, and DKIM. let me know once done!". Do you really think he wants to listen to me explain specific Postfix configuration options to him, or listen to me gripe about how it took much longer to setup DKIM than I originally expected? Of course not. He just wants his SMTP details, so he can plug them into his mailer, and we can continue on with the next project.

Then the next week when he sends specs for a 25 hour project, I'll quote 30 to recuperate my lost time on the SMTPs, he approves it, and we're both happy. Obviously, it takes a good 3 - 6 months of building a business relationship for the client to trust you like this, but once you have that, it's awesome.

Again, that's why I don't look for new clients anymore. Clients like that are 1 in 10,000. I'd rather just work on my own things versus. dealing with the other 9,999. Those few good clients can be quite beneficial though in the long-term.

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sarettah

I didn't write it for a client. I wrote it in response to you, a programmer. ;p

But, that said, if a client has unreasonable expectations, it is also our job to educate them as to what a reasonable expectation is.

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sarettah

Carzydude.

When you get this done and all could you update us and let us know how long it took and how much it ends up costing you?

Thanx in advance, I just always like to know how a story ends

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