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Old 10-20-2018, 01:12 PM   #1
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Trump Abandons Treaty That Limits Russia’s Use Of Ballistic Missiles


Putin's pet doing his master's bidding.

So Putin wants freedom to use the long range missiles to attack and invade which neighbor?

"Once the United States withdraws from the treaty, there is no reason for Russia to even pretend it is observing the limits. Moscow will be free to deploy the 9M729 cruise missile, and an intermediate-range ballistic missile if it wants, without any restraint."

Putin Velebrates as Trump Abandons Treaty That Limits Russia’s Use Of Ballistic Missiles

Vladimir Putin’s hand-picked president is on the verge of making another move to please the Russians.

According to The New York Times, “The Trump administration is preparing to tell Russian leaders next week that it is planning to exit the landmark Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty.”

As The Hill noted on Saturday, “The 1987 pact bans all land-based missile with ranges of 310 to 3,420 miles and includes missiles carrying both nuclear and conventional warheads. The original ban between Moscow and Washington resulted in 2,692 missiles being destroyed.”

The treaty worked well for years, despite recent Russian violations. Killing it would remove any incentive for Moscow to even pretend they care about the limits the treaty imposed.

Not only could Russia use cruise and intermediate-range ballistic missiles to its heart’s desire, but the United States currently doesn’t have any weapon to match what Moscow has.

The Brookings Institution explains:

[O]nce the United States withdraws from the treaty, there is no reason for Russia to even pretend it is observing the limits. Moscow will be free to deploy the 9M729 cruise missile, and an intermediate-range ballistic missile if it wants, without any restraint.

[T]he United States currently has no missile that it could quickly deploy to match the Russians. The “integrated strategy” included a treaty-compliant research and development program for a U.S. intermediate-range missile (development is allowed short of flight-testing), but it provided little money.



U.S. withdrawal from the INF Treaty is a loser all around. Russian officials probably are celebrating the news.

Trump has been Putin’s dream
When Hillary Clinton said Donald Trump would be a puppet for Vladimir Putin, she couldn’t have been more right. That culminated over the summer when Trump stood before the world and sided with Russia over the United States.

Throughout his presidency, he has threatened our NATO alliances and isolated the United States from some of our closest allies, all while holding brutal dictators and autocrats close – from Russia to North Korea to Saudi Arabia.

Donald Trump is being played by some of America’s most dangerous adversaries, and it could have devastating consequences.
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shitty sitch. ruskis are not going to be compliant and never return to compliance so why bother with the treaty? apparently that's the thinking.
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Hé didn't do this deal, so it must be shit
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nuke up or get USIS-ed

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maybe ... but so does the USA .....
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maybe ... but so does the USA .....
Not true.

We didn't on this deal for example.
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Not true.

We didn't on this deal for example.
You did on Iran
You did on TPp
You did on Paris
You did on NAFTA

... And so on.
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he's probably trying to get a Chump Tower Moscow so he can flee his eventual prosecution
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If the Russians are breaking the deal, do you suppose it only happened under Trump?
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If the Russians are breaking the deal, do you suppose it only happened under Trump?
Yes, these idiots think it's something that just started 2 years ago.
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there is no making an arms deal with a country like the USA who can not afford peace...war is the #1 export, war is the #1 employer and war is the #1 expenditure...

peace is not an option, arm up in the most underhand way possible because the parkour terminators are coming
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U.S. withdrawal from the INF Treaty is a loser all around. Russian officials probably are celebrating the news.
i don´t think that they would celebrate a new cold war.
it would cost them too much money what they need urgently in other issues.

putin also does not have the tax payer cow he can milk like trump can.

the war industry in the USA flourished in the cold war. of course it wants such a business back.

more tax money for the weapons industry and a nice commission for trump. it's called a "good deal.".
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i don´t think that they would celebrate a new cold war.
it would cost them too much money what they need urgently in other issues.

putin also does not have the tax payer cow he can milk like trump can.

the war industry in the USA flourished in the cold war. of course it wants such a business back.

more tax money for the weapons industry and a nice commission for trump. it's called a "good deal.".
and this is why Saudia Arabia is needed - to keep the oil price low. Cause a low oil price keeps Russia, Iran and Venezuela from recovering/growing their economies and buying more weapons.

It has worked for Reagan back then but the political circumstances in Russia are different this time.
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You did on Iran
You did on TPp
You did on Paris
You did on NAFTA

... And so on.
Do you really think I don't know that? None which proves your op. Btw, your country bailed on pca. So using your logic ca doesn't honor any of its agreements.
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i don´t think that they would celebrate a new cold war.
it would cost them too much money what they need urgently in other issues.

putin also does not have the tax payer cow he can milk like trump can.

the war industry in the USA flourished in the cold war. of course it wants such a business back.

more tax money for the weapons industry and a nice commission for trump. it's called a "good deal.".
Entirely wrong. This treaty worked for US up until ruski fucked it up. We had no desire to build such missiles. In fucking fact, this treaty caused a reduction in US nukes for years and years.
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Entirely wrong. This treaty worked for US up until ruski fucked it up. We had no desire to build such missiles. In fucking fact, this treaty caused a reduction in US nukes for years and years.
Just cause you don't like Thommy, it doesn't mean he's wrong.

But blaming just Trump in this case is also wrong, Bush Jr. and Obama are equally at fault for forcing their stupid missile shield against Iran on Europe and refusing Russia to work on this together.

Now Russia uses this as an argument that from the same launchpads also short and midrange ballistic missiles against Russia could be fired and therefore the US is equally in violation of the treaty.
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The fucking hilarious thing about you euros on this is that ruski 9M729 missile is pointing at YOU mother fuckers, not US.

But but but America war machine


Got it.
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Just cause you don't like Thommy, it doesn't mean he's wrong.

But blaming just Trump in this case is also wrong, Bush Jr. and Obama are equally at fault for forcing their stupid missile shield against Iran on Europe and refusing Russia to work on this together.

Now Russia uses this as an argument that from the same launchpads also short and midrange ballistic missiles against Russia could be fired and therefore the US is equally in violation of the treaty.
The only issue I have with thommy is his biased view of Americans has led to him, in the past, making horrible posts about Americans. I really don't care that he's wrong about the US economy crashing.
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The fucking hilarious thing about you euros on this is that ruski 9M729 missile is pointing at YOU mother fuckers, not US.

But but but America war machine


Got it.
true, it would be much more helpful if the missiles would be pointing at the US as well, maybe this would change some thinking instead of feeling safe by being far away enough from all the misery that war mongering brings (from all sides).
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The fucking hilarious thing about you euros on this is that ruski 9M729 missile is pointing at YOU mother fuckers, not US.

But but but America war machine


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fuck off invader...the missiles are there because of USIS invader bases in europe...
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true, it would be much more helpful if the missiles would be pointing at the US as well, maybe this would change some thinking instead of feeling safe by being far away enough from all the misery that war mongering brings (from all sides).
yeah, nevermind ruski eh.
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fuck off invader...the missiles are there because of USIS invader bases in europe...
then euros should spend some fucking money on your own defense dickhead. So we don't have to police your shit for you.
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yeah, nevermind ruski eh.
and then you wonder why there are no reasonable discussions on GFY
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and then you wonder why there are no reasonable discussions on GFY
let's summarize the euro reasonableness on this:

ruski breaks treaty to make missiles to point at eu = USA bad.


but I'm unreasonable for pointing that out.

euro logic.
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true, it would be much more helpful if the missiles would be pointing at the US as well, maybe this would change some thinking instead of feeling safe by being far away enough from all the misery that war mongering brings (from all sides).

wait, so the euro reasonable view is more nukes from the guys who took Ukraine from you.




got it. sounds very reasonable.
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then euros should spend some fucking money on your own defense dickhead. So we don't have to police your shit for you.
no they should actually spend less money...why keep up with the klingons?....the EU should develop like 100 types of bacteria...a "cocktail"...100% guaranteed "off"...

then they should expel all klingon bases from europe...no need for "allies" when an attack on europe = guaranteed "off"...

then they should grow some balls and start confiscating US airplanes and ships that are headed for the USA and fill them up with the victims of US foreign policy that our "ally" the USA is flooding us with and send them to the USA...no possible trade can be done until all the refugees are sent to the USA...

there is no reason to get proxy fucked by invaders hiding on the other side of the world shielded from the destruction they cause on our side of the world...fuck that LOL
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trump, Republicans, Democrats all EU leaders...except Czech president Zeman...are cucks who will destroy the world by picking on the Russian bear until he gtes mad..
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poor serbie thinks he's relevant. no one gives a shit about serbie[ville].
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true, it would be much more helpful if the missiles would be pointing at the US as well, maybe this would change some thinking instead of feeling safe by being far away enough from all the misery that war mongering brings (from all sides).
I cannot wait until the " little rocket man" lobs one into LA basin...or maybe Chinese... then they will shut up.
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wait, so ruski invaded and occupied Ukraine because the eu picked on ruski?
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I cannot wait until the " little rocket man" lobs one into LA basin...or maybe Chinese... then they will shut up.
you're a piece of shit.
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poor serbie thinks he's relevant. no one gives a shit about serbie[ville].
bomb dropper, my scenario will come true because normal warfare is not possible any more for small countries...then they will be very very very relevant
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and then you wonder why there are no reasonable discussions on GFY
are you getting this? euro thinks it makes sense for NK or China to launch a nuke attack at los angeles because we're canceling a treaty that ruski has been in violation of for 10 years.

that's reasonable to you?
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are you euro motherfuckers actually reading what you post? Nuking Los Angeles and killing millions of people because ruski violated the INF and now has missiles specifically for YOU, so china should nuke Los Angeles.

what the fuck kind of euro piece of shit thinks like that?
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That's funny. The usual suspects aren't in here trying to defend this move.
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That's funny. The usual suspects aren't in here trying to defend this move.
Yep! The Russian alt-right hate fake nic trolls nics are all radio silent on this topic.

Drax aka Diomed aka Speigelau aka ghjghj aka tfto aka Onwebcam aka Mineistaken aka Acepimp etc. etc. ....

Nico-T should be in to defend Russia. He loves Putin & Trump
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ftr, imo the accord should be renegotiated. this isn't an opportunity for more nukes for anyone. these are tactical nukes, not strategic, that ruski broke the accord on. that's not good. even if you're covered in putin splooge you should be able to see that ruski should not be reopening the door to non-strategic nukes.
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IMO everybody should nuke the fuck up as much as possible especially in the dirtiest way possible...invaders will not give you a fair fight, there is no reason to even negotiate with invaders what you can and can not use to defend from invasion...
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if only the big bad Amewica gave serbie his 75 businesses back he wouldn't be a miserable serbie.
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if only the big bad Amewica gave serbie his 75 businesses back he wouldn't be a miserable serbie.
if the weak armed up USIS would not have anybody to invade
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serbie's too dumb to realize he's arguing for extreme violence while the American is advocating non-violence, yet serbie claims the American is pro-violence.
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serbie's too dumb to realize he's arguing for extreme violence while the American is advocating non-violence, yet serbie claims the American is pro-violence.


how am I advocating violence? I am advocating arming the mother fuck up...nobody is forcing invaders to invade countries with "off" switches to life on earth...invaders can stay the fuck home

you may want to get your brain checked, you said america is advocating non violence but war is your #1 export, war is your #1 employer and war is your #1 expense...
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