Vendzilla

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-31/you-ll-need-286-pounds-of-coal-to-fuel-that-electric-road-trip?adv=fedexsocial
Turns out the cost of powering those Tesla's is worse than just burning gas

Robbie

Good. Coal miners get more work!

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Vendzilla

Yeah and that idiot Obama was trying to kill the coal industry.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

bronco67

and you probably like that, don't you? I guess that means we should just stick with the internal combustion engine because old ass fools like yourself hate change.

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2MuchMark

Next time, try reading the whole article.

From the link you shared, yet got completely wrong: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...dv=fedexsocial

Here's the highlights in bold for you, just in case vision ain't what it used to be.

What you don't get Vendzilla, is that there are plenty of alternatives to generating electricity than coal. Electric cars will make a small difference even if the electricity comes from coal, but they make a bigger difference if the electricity comes solar, Hydro or Nuclear.


Sigh...

Work in coal mines has gone down for plenty of reasons: It's old technology, it's expensive, it's dangerous, it's unpopular, and workers are being replaced by robots. If you believe in coal so much go mine some for a while, then invest what you're paid into insurance to help cover a little of the medical bills thanks to your newfound pneumoconiosis.

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BaldBastard

From the article you linked did you read it?..

286 pounds of coal or 33 minutes of blades spinning on a giant offshore wind turbine, 7 day for solar roof, 3 minutes of large solar array.

I'd tend to think the solar array is the future and not coal don't you?


May be re read this several times..

"Even with all those losses, the electric vehicle road trip is still better for the climate than driving a gasoline-powered car. Burning that much coal would release about 310 kilograms of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, compared with 350 kilograms by the 40 gallons of gasoline. Even though coal tends to emit more pollutants than oil for the amount of energy it generates, the efficiency of the electric vehicle, which recharges its battery with every brake, more than makes up the difference."

Rochard

Why would my electric car need to burn coal? I have solar.

In fact... I just got a check from my power company for $124. In the past year I put in more power back into the grid than I took out, and even after my meager natural gas usage I pulled out a small profit. I also made $2k from the solar company directly in the past year by sending them new customers... so.... Not only did I not take any power from from the grid, I also made about $900 for year which is after my costs for the panels.

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Rochard

The truth isn't important to such people. They just want to be full of negative energy.

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RedFred

Casper and the guy who hasnt seen his dick in a decade owned again.

2MuchMark

Love That.
Want That.

Smart, Smart smart smart smart.

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Robbie

I definitely want a Tesla. Don't care if it needs coal or solar to charge. I just want one because it's cool and fast.
That is the only reason I would ever choose a car to drive.

Just wish they would offer a roadster again. Not really into the family sedan look that is all they have at the moment.

But if/when they do another sports car roadster design...then I'm hooked.

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2MuchMark

God dammit I want to get drunk with you...

I test drove a roadster a long time ago. It was fast and fun, but it was a little too small for my 6'3" frame.

But even though the Model S is a Sedan, it's freakin' fast, and it feels very much like a real sports car. In fact I'd say its cooler than that. The exterior says sedan. But the speed, handling and acceleration are sick, sick sick. Even the base models are exceptional.

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Rochard

It's fantastic. The way it's set up right now... I pay ZERO for power.

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I looked into getting solar here and unfortunately I can't. The roof of my house is facing 5 different directions and not one of them is good enough to collect any decent amount of solar. Then again, electricity is dirt-cheap here so Solar would take forever to pay for itself where I live. If I'm ever in your neck of the woods you'll have to show me your setup, and pardon my drool.

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Vendzilla

Coal still powers 30% of the US power plants

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think about that

Vendzilla

Fake Nick lol that is mostly concerned about my dick

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think about that

Vendzilla

Also this doesn't take into effect the footprint of battery disposal or even the carbon footprint of building those batteries

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think about that

2MuchMark

/facepalm.

EV Batteries are recycled, not disposed of.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...en-they-retire
https://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/publi...ticle2016.html
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/07...in-the-future/


Yes they have a high carbon footprint at almost twice as much as that of a combustion car. But the USE of an electric car makes up the difference. Also there's No burning fuel, no co2 or other greenhouse gasses. Driving it also produces no nitrogen oxide (NOx), no carbon monoxide, no hydrocarbons, and no soot.

Congrats - now lets get that down to 0%.

More info for you : https://www.directenergy.com/blog/ty...nerated-in-us/

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Busty2

Audi has a great SUV coming out in early 2019 But i believe the range is about a third less than Tesla. There will be many alternatives within a year or two.

astronaut x

We know you red hats love to hate on elon and take your orders from big oil...but, just about all automakers are building electric cars now.

And that is where we are headed... whether you like it or not. Doesn't matter what ideas you put into your head and shit out your mouth.

The GOP has been stifling renewables innovation for decades btw.

Why don't you back to playing your crosswords and yelling at kids to get off you lawn?

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Haha, so you made a post ranting about how much coal a tesla burns.. () but then Robbie steps in to reminds you, coal is a red hat thing... then you go with an Obama burn?

Dude... omfg.

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astronaut x

They don't hate change.. they just think they do because that's what they are told to think.

God, guns, war, and oil!!

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astronaut x

No thanks..

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2MuchMark

I know.

And just think about what a fucked-up job that is. You spend all day in a deep, dangerous cave that could collapse. It's dark and hot as hell. You inhale shit all day and come out covered in crap and die a slow and fucked-up death for barely $20 an hour average.



Pathetic.

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VRPdommy

I don't know how you can make that equation.
I have 7 plants of more than 20 units converting to gas. Will take 12-15 years from now to complete. You can't convert these so they tear some down and build anew.
Despite the political blames that have went around, I have known this was about to happen for 8 years.
It's just cheaper.

The power folks got caught with their pants down on this issue as they got de-regulation written exactly as they wanted it and it turns out, they didn't see this coming.
Go figure. They certainly will not take the blame to the shareholders, so they blamed it on Obama. ...LOL...

Tesla never claimed to be cost efficient. They are a performance car. Priced accordingly.
I charge them from a solar array. Pretty cheap for me.

astronaut x

Vendzilla is still trying to figure out his VCR.

He got the TV Box remote and the fox news covered though...

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Acepimp

Did you know that hemp plants can be converted into clean-burning charcoal? Why didn't Obama legalize it?


I live near coal country and am totally anti-coal. The real reason for loss of coal jobs is the MOUNTAINTOP REMOVAL. Rather than hire people to dig coal underground, they just use a few tons of explosives to blow the top off the mountain, then push the debris over the hill- burying thousands of miles of streams. It's disgusting. Coal production has INCREASED with fewer workers.


The internal combustion engine is NOT THE PROBLEM. It's the petroleum fuel. Rudolph Diesel designed the diesel engine to run on peanut oil. Henry Ford was building cars that ran on clean Ethanol from plants (mainly hemp). Congress outlawed hemp in 1937 after the oil companies lobbied for it. Ford's hemp car was 3 times as green as today's electric cars.

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thommy

obviously you are bad informed.

Tesla have a huge net of FREE stations - most of them driven by solar power.
So to fill it up costs ZERO !!!

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Acepimp

And the MINING for the material to make the batteries is destructive to the environment.

The Widespread Social And Environmental Destruction Behind Electric Car Batteries And E-Mobility

The solution is plant-based fuels, and Congress outlawed the only plant capable of replacing fossil fuels.

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Where do you find these bullshit news sources? Notrickszone.com LOL is there some sort of retard setting on google that gives you these sites as results? How do you find this shit?

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crockett

Dumbass.. there are not a lot of coal plants left in operation and no new ones will ever be built in the US..


Vendilldo logic would be like saying keep riding horses because there aren't many gas stations in the old west...

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Acepimp

Can you dispute the data with actual facts, or just complain about the domain name like a dumbass??

Wired Magazine: TESLA'S ELECTRIC CARS AREN'T AS GREEN AS YOU MIGHT THINK

TheGuardian: Nickel mining: the hidden environmental cost of electric cars

DigitalTrends: Don’t look so smug: Your Tesla might be worse for the environment than a gas car

WaPo: THE COBALT PIPELINE:
Tracing the path from deadly hand-dug mines in Congo to consumers’ phones and laptops

If you're going to be a troll, at least post actual facts.

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astronaut x

Trump sure the fuck isn't

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the digital trends article does not favor your argument. At all. I have read other articles on the issues of Ev's and they almost always state... "depending on where the power source comes from" or "still better than gas cars"

Electric cars are still in their infancy. Solar is doable.. and the demand is going to skyrocket.

Nothing has zero footprint. Hemp looks great, just doubt it will ever come to be.

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BaldBastard

Do you ever stop and ponder.. "What if there's other countries outside of America?"

Nah it can't be so...

Acepimp

I use duckduckgo.com

Petition on WhiteHouse.gov: Let American Farmers Grow Hemp Once Again to Create Jobs and Rebuild the Rural Economy

Republicans handling business: Legislation legalizing hemp included in Senate farm bill

So why didn't the previous administration do this? Because they were too busy promoting fracking to countries around the world, as well as the fake Solyndra scam. Thanks, Obama!

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VRPdommy

Why doesn't trump ? Why didn't Bush or anyone else ?

Agreed somewhat. I live where they sill mine it. China is not buying as much of our coal. A good bit of what is still mined here is metallurgic coal used for making steel.
But when they were big on the soft coal, the mining safety went out the window as they could not get it out of the ground fast enough. Hence the all those accidents they had 5-10 years ago. Anyone who wants to keep their job does not talk to MSHA when they come.
Coal was at it's peak. Couldn't go anywhere but down when external buyers found other sources and made transports for it to get it to market. Again where there were no safety or environmental concerns.

I have 2 diesels that run on waste veggy oil. One runs a electric generator. The other can run a generator or a host of other implements I made for it. Peanut oil is very expensive if you have ever bought any. Most valuable part of the peanut. Diesels can be converted to burn just about any organic hydrocarbon. It has never been a secrete and many of us have been doing it for many years. It just needs cleaned, de-desalinated and often heated before injection.
So what's the problem with everyone else ?
Every time someone makes good strides to make commercial operations of it, big oil lobbies for regulation to make it more costly, just like solar and wind.

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We need all of the above approaches to energy since it really is a national security issue. Many of you may find out just how much of a issue it is in your lifetime. The goal should always be to be self dependent by whatever means possible. Yes all of the above energy is the only solution.
Everything has hidden cost and effects but some are easier to deal with when you think long term. And they are all possible jobs.
One mans waste can be a mans job, heat, light but only if you let it.
The petro keepers want it as it is.

You want heat ? Pay Master Blaster ! ...LOL...

Personally, I'm not worried. But remember, I'm not sharing my solar or other natural energy with anyone when the hammer falls.

When you are all done playing politics with energy, the vision I just explained is all you have left, but do you have enough time to convert before disaster ?
That's up to you... I'm covered. It's all about 'who do you want to serve' !

2MuchMark

Well first he's not president anymore, and 2nd, changing the subject doesn't help you win any arguments.



Maybe, but -

As clean energy rises, West Virginia looks past Trump’s embrace of coal to what comes next
Coal Mining Jobs Are Being Replaced By Clean Energy

The US coal industry is going out, not with a whimper, but with a burst of rent-seeking
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envir...ustry-handouts



https://www.forbes.com/sites/judecle.../#247589ecf60f


https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/23...-of-bio-fuels/

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2MuchMark

LOL! No dude.. geezuz this is terrible, and it leaves out a shit-ton of details too. Keep looking.

Nope.

Acey-baby you should read the entire article.

But regardless, it's true that EV cars are not perfect. I think you're missing the bigger picture.

There is all kinds of damage that we all do the environment every day. Driving cars is just one of them, especially when its just 1 person in the car.

Going electric is cheaper, pollutes less, saves energy. It's just smart all around, but it isn't itself a solution to all the worlds problems. But it's a good, important, safe small step.

Is it enough? No of course not, and no one thinks that. Not even me.

Will or should fossil fuels be eliminated? No. Electricity is great for moving cars, but gas and diesel are better for other machines such as big trucks and construction machinery.

Don't be so nervous. EV's, from what I, a bazillion consumers and some genius engineers, scientists and chemists can figure, are a good step towards keeping the planet .001 degree cooler. Just let it happen. You'll save a few bucks, breathe a little easier, get a little less noise on the road, and see a few speed records broken in the meantime.

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Acepimp

Well the Bush family runs oil companies. Clinton and Obama were just corrupt pieces of garbage. Trump however, is finally making moves: Legislation legalizing hemp included in Senate farm bill


That's really cool

So nevermind that he didn't do shit to promote plant-based fuel? LOL


That Forbes article seems like oil industry propaganda. They forgot to mention that HEMP is the most efficient plant for biomass. We don't need corn ethanol made from GMO corn sprayed with Roundup weed killer.

This article states that "The burning of any fuel will produce CO2, but also possibly pollution in the form of particulates, nitrogen oxides, sulphur dioxide, and carbon monoxide"

Nope, sulfur comes from fossil fuels, not hemp biomass fuel. Again, hemp is the ONLY plant that is efficient enough to provide fuel on a large scale- which is exactly why it was outlawed in 1937 after big oil lobbied Congress. And the CO2 produced from burning the fuel is absorbed by the next crop in the fields- a green cycle.

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Acepimp

Agreed, but we could do without 90% of the oil industry. If you have a few minutes, check out this video with a Canadian trucker running hemp fuel (skip to 3:45)

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Also a petition on Whitehouse.gov....
Immediately release Donald Trump's full tax returns, with all information needed to verify emoluments clause compliance.

Your other link... you fucking crook.... is a bipartisan bill.....

Both Democrats and Republicans handling business: Legislation legalizing hemp included in Senate farm bill

McConnell, as well as Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), introduced their hemp legislation as a stand-alone bill in April.

The Clintons are done. You are either beating a dead horse or you are scared of them, or both. The democrats are not going to take another chance. Did you see Gore run again?

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Acepimp here is the main problem with hemp as fuel - it's carbon neutral. While this is normally a good thing, its not in this case. Hemp absorbs alot of CO2 - this is good! But it gets all put back into the atmosphere when burned, which is bad. If we switched to Hemp today, we would still be in the same place 100 years from now, environmentally speaking.

The trick is to offset the CO2 in the air. If we know we're going to drive 100,000 miles over 10 years or so, it would be great not to expel CO2 into the are that entire time. Building the ev car will add some, but driving it vs a gas car will add 0 CO2. And right now we need to remove the CO2 from the air, not add to it. Hence, EV's are good.

But as a whole, I agree with you that Hemp can be better than gasoline, but this is hard to measure. Gas comes from oil pumped out of the ground, whereas Hemp needs to be farmed. Using that farmspace to grow food instead of fuel is arguably better.

I found a good article on the challenges of hemp fuel at http://hig.diva-portal.org/smash/get...TACHMENT01.pdf

Long story short: It's not easy. But hey - Get Trump on the horn and ask him to do something about it. He's Trump and he can do anything, right? Surely he can do this for you, right? He's smart enough and cool enough, isn't he?

Don't want to ask him? Then stop changing the subject and blaming Obama.

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What a thread.

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astronaut x

Trump is not doing a god damned thing. That IS NOT Trump. Trump is not even a fan of McConnell. Trump has thrown him under the bus.. and is about to do it again.

Trump plays golf. Trump lies on Twitter.. Trump blows 200 million on fake news. Trump is preoccupied by fucking up relations with our allies and spends time keeping his ass out of jail.

Hemp legalization, is a bipartisan bill, written by 2 dems and 2 repugs.

Stop fucking lying AssPimple.

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Vendzilla, go back to using a steam engine. Electric is the present and future. Nothing you say will change that.

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