Bernie to re-introducing legislation to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $15 an hour. - GoFuckYourself.com

OneHungLo · 11-12-2018, 10:17 PM

When will these socialists learn that some of the work people do are not worth $15 an hour? If someone can only produce a value of $7.25 an hour why should someone have to pay them $15 an hour?

Reminds me of why the American Samoas have a 25-30% unemployment rate. The united States got involved (Thanks Nancy Pelosi!) and forced the largest employer (Starkist Tuna) to jack up their min wage. Well the company couldn't afford to operate there and shut down their facility leaving half the island unemployed. This is a beautiful example of socialism at work.

SBJ · 11-12-2018, 10:47 PM

Federal min wage in 1991 was $4.25 an hour. Are you telling me that $7.25 is fair 27 years later? Cost of living has gone up almost yearly but our min wage has not.

A factory job I started out doing in 1990 just out of High School I made $7.50 and when I left in 2001 I was making $15.75 per hour cause of moving up the food chain. In 2018 this same factory starts workers out at $16.35 per hour.

I think min wage should be $12.

abshard · 11-12-2018, 10:53 PM

I think you got the American Samoa story backwards

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/american-samoa/

Acepimp · 11-12-2018, 11:06 PM

I'm in favor of this, but it should only apply to companies making at least $100 million in profits each year or more. Wal-mart makes billions, they can afford to pay their people $15. A lot of their people go on food stamps or welfare because they only make 8 bucks.

OneHungLo · 11-12-2018, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SBJ

Federal min wage in 1991 was $4.25 an hour. Are you telling me that $7.25 is fair 27 years later? Cost of living has gone up almost yearly but our min wage has not.

A factory job I started out doing in 1990 just out of High School I made $7.50 and when I left in 2001 I was making $15.75 per hour cause of moving up the food chain. In 2018 this same factory starts workers out at $16.35 per hour.

I think min wage should be $12.

I don't think there should be any minimum wage. Let the markets sort it out.

SBJ · 11-12-2018, 11:22 PM

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I don't think there should be any minimum wage. Let the markets sort it out.

nah, cause then you will always have MCD workers getting underpaid while CEOs get richer. Now at the same time, I'm 100% ok with MCD kiosks taking some of the lazy worker's jobs while the go-getters keep their jobs.

Matt 26z · 11-13-2018, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SBJ

Federal min wage in 1991 was $4.25 an hour. Are you telling me that $7.25 is fair 27 years later? Cost of living has gone up almost yearly but our min wage has not.

A factory job I started out doing in 1990 just out of High School I made $7.50 and when I left in 2001 I was making $15.75 per hour cause of moving up the food chain. In 2018 this same factory starts workers out at $16.35 per hour.

This story is typical all across America in different industries involving unskilled and moderately skilled labor. It's always the same story. Wages today are about the same as they were fifteen years ago. You can thank illegal labor for that.

OneHungLo · 11-13-2018, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp

I'm in favor of this, but it should only apply to companies making at least $100 million in profits each year or more. Wal-mart makes billions, they can afford to pay their people $15. A lot of their people go on food stamps or welfare because they only make 8 bucks.

You almost had me onboard with that but then I thought, are we punishing companies for growing bigger? So if you're making 90MM do you really want to grow your company to hit 100MM and get slaughtered if you're employing a lot of unskilled workers?

OneHungLo · 11-13-2018, 12:53 AM

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nah, cause then you will always have MCD workers getting underpaid while CEOs get richer. Now at the same time, I'm 100% ok with MCD kiosks taking some of the lazy worker's jobs while the go-getters keep their jobs.

Yeah but you have to understand how this all works. Let's say you own a factory and hire 1000 unskilled workers. Each of those 1000 workers can only produce $10 an hour in value for you, which you then in return can afford to pay them $8 an hour and earn $2 an hour per employee. So if they government comes in and says now you have to pay all your employees $15 an hour, what do you do? You either fold up shop and 1000 people go unemployed or you outsource your labor to a cheaper country. Either way there will be 1000 people out of a job.

You're going to end with a lot of unemployed people. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

SBJ · 11-13-2018, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Yeah but you have to understand how this all works. Let's say you own a factory and hire 1000 unskilled workers. Each of those 1000 workers can only produce $10 an hour in value for you, which you then in return can afford to pay them $8 an hour and earn $2 an hour per employee. So if they government comes in and says now you have to pay all your employees $15 an hour, what do you do? You either fold up shop and 1000 people go unemployed or you outsource your labor to a cheaper country. Either way there will be 1000 people out of a job.

You're going to end with a lot of unemployed people. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

rather than pay 1000 unskilled workers, I'd rather pay 600 that were highly trained to work smarter and willing to do more for twice the pay.

The problem with min wage jobs is the turnover rate is so high. So you pay someone to train them for a few days and the next week you have to train someone else

OneHungLo · 11-13-2018, 01:04 AM

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rather than pay 1000 unskilled workers, I'd rather pay 600 that were highly trained to work smarter and willing to do more for twice the pay.

The problem with min wage jobs is the turnover rate is so high. So you pay someone to train them for a few days and the next week you have to train someone else

Yeah but there are many people out there for one reason or another that that's the best they can do. And there are a lot of them. They end up getting shafted hard and us taxpayers end up footing hefty bills because of it.

And I get what your saying about hiring more skilled workers but that's not the problem. The problem is with the 1000 unskilled workers that won't be working anymore since their limited intellectual capacity only allows them to earn an employer $10 per hour in productivity. They essentially will be forever unemployed. Whereas if the gov't didn't stick their nose into the free marketplace, they would be happily employed.

erehwon · 11-13-2018, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp

I'm in favor of this, but it should only apply to companies making at least $100 million in profits each year or more. Wal-mart makes billions, they can afford to pay their people $15. A lot of their people go on food stamps or welfare because they only make 8 bucks.

It would take Walmart paying their employees at least $14 an hour to get them off all Government assistance but it would mean that Walmart would have to raise prices about 1.5 to 2.0%.

Mind you these figures were before Trump initiated his tariffs on everything imported, so expect to see more of the same.

RedFred · 11-13-2018, 04:49 AM

There is not one place in America where someone can work a full time minimum wage job and afford a 2 bedroom apartment. Anyone who is ok with someone working all day and not making enough money to survive is morally bankrupt.

TheSquealer · 11-13-2018, 05:21 AM

If history has taught us anything at all, it's that socialists know how to run an economy.

BaldBastard · 11-13-2018, 05:36 AM

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If history has taught us anything at all, it's that socialists know how to run an economy.

Australia seems to be doing ok

Min wage $719.20 a week

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-...r-cent/9824282

But lets not forget that includes free healthcare

and also you add to that.. 4 weeks paid holiday per year, plus 12 paid Public Holidays, plus 12.5% in to retirement fund. + extras

RedFred · 11-13-2018, 05:47 AM

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If history has taught us anything at all, it's that socialists know how to run an economy.

Show me a country with little or no social programs and I'll show you a country where people bathe in mud holes.

These are the countries with the world's most generous social welfare programs.
France.
Finland.
Belgium.
Italy.
Denmark.
Austria.
Sweden.
Greece.

The top states that have the least social programs:

1. Arkansas
2. Tennessee
3. Idaho
4. Oklahoma
5. Alabama

All red states and all on the verge of bankruptcy.

You're talking out your ass as usual.

crockett · 11-13-2018, 05:55 AM

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If history has taught us anything at all, it's that socialists know how to run an economy.

Funny, why is it Red states who have to be constantly bailed out because they can't grow their state economy to the point of being self sufficient?

Meanwhile almost every blue state is self sufficient... Why are you just as dumb as matt26z?

RedFred · 11-13-2018, 06:11 AM

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Funny, why is it Red states who have to be constantly bailed out because they can't grow their state economy to the point of being self sufficient?

Meanwhile almost every blue state is self sufficient... Why are you just as dumb as matt26z?

TRUMP'S RISING DEBTS WILL SOON FORCE THE U.S. TO SPEND MORE ON INTEREST THAN MEDICAID, DEFENSE

These fucks will eventually drive this economy off the cliff just like Bush did and of course they will blame Obama.

crockett · 11-13-2018, 06:23 AM

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TRUMP'S RISING DEBTS WILL SOON FORCE THE U.S. TO SPEND MORE ON INTEREST THAN MEDICAID, DEFENSE

These fucks will eventually drive this economy off the cliff just like Bush did and of course they will blame Obama.

Facts mean nothing because they have a gut feeling it's all liberals fault..

2MuchMark · 11-13-2018, 07:00 AM

Sigh...

Increasing minimum wage is a great idea. It puts more money into the hands of people that really need it, and it improves the economy. People with more money buy more things, and BUY MORE PORN TOO.

Paul Markham · 11-13-2018, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

When will these socialists learn that some of the work people do are not worth $15 an hour? If someone can only produce a value of $7.25 an hour why should someone have to pay them $15 an hour?

So if the job is worth more than minimum they should put up the wages. You have it right.

Raising minimum wage takes people off welfare, lowering government debts. It will mean more raised in taxes, lowering government debts.

Companies like Walmart, hotels, fast food etc. Will have to pay better wages or go out of business and allow other companies to fill the gap. Very few of the minimum wage payers are in industries that will disappear completely.

Bladewire · 11-13-2018, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFred

There is not one place in America where someone can work a full time minimum wage job and afford a 2 bedroom apartment. Anyone who is ok with someone working all day and not making enough money to survive is morally bankrupt.

Trump supporters are fucking idiots

OneHungLo wants someone to work 2 full time jobs and still qualify for public assistance, anything else using common sense is "socialist". Stupid

Matt-ADX · 11-13-2018, 08:37 AM

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Sigh...

Increasing minimum wage is a great idea. It puts more money into the hands of people that really need it, and it improves the economy. People with more money buy more things, and BUY MORE PORN TOO.

It will increase the rate at which companies automate exponentially. Those McDonalds kiosks will be everywhere in no time. Companies won't fire people, they will simply look for ways to speed up the process and in turn eliminate those jobs.

OneHungLo · 11-13-2018, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFred

Show me a country with little or no social programs and I'll show you a country where people bathe in mud holes.

These are the countries with the world's most generous social welfare programs.
France.
Finland.
Belgium.
Italy.
Denmark.
Austria.
Sweden.
Greece.

You're talking out your ass as usual.

Yeah, it's funny all those countries are also chock full of all the people you hate and love to blame everything on: White people lol

The problem is, many of those ultra white countries don't have a large minority population getting gov't assistance at the tune of 100s of billions a year. Keep importing all those illegals and refugees and there will be a tipping point eventually. When all the lazy non-working people start out numbering the working people, that's when shit collapses.

beerptrol · 11-13-2018, 11:07 AM

In the alt rights eyes it's ok for a company to get big tax breaks and other subsidies while paying such a shitty wage that their employees have to get government help. Food Stamps etc

They love their elitist masters!

iceboi · 11-13-2018, 11:27 AM

Bernie is an entitled brat who has never done a real job nor has he ever created one. He doesn’t know how to run a business and his ideas would stifle small business owners. Raise wage by 100%? Guess what, thousands would lose their jobs as businesses would just use less unskilled workers.

He is the one complaining about companies leaving and going overseas, guess what? Raising wages would only lead to more companies leaving. He’s a fucking idiot who thinks that the gov should tax top 2% up to 90%.

RedFred · 11-13-2018, 11:46 AM

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Yeah, it's funny all those countries are also chock full of all the people you hate and love to blame everything on: White people lol

The problem is, many of those ultra white countries don't have a large minority population getting gov't assistance at the tune of 100s of billions a year. Keep importing all those illegals and refugees and there will be a tipping point eventually. When all the lazy non-working people start out numbering the working people, that's when shit collapses.

What's funny is you confuse my calling you out on your daily racist rants as hating white people. I'm probably whiter than you and if you think every white person out there is a racist bigot like you then you probably should move out of that southern trailer park and stop spending so much time on stormfront and get a taste of the real world.

And did it ever occur to your limited thought process that if people actually were able to earn a living wage and if we had universal health care not so many people would have to depend on govt programs? Why are you ok subsidizing Walmart employees while they are the richest family in America?

OneHungLo · 11-13-2018, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by iceboi

Bernie is an entitled brat who has never done a real job nor has he ever created one. He doesn’t know how to run a business and his ideas would stifle small business owners. Raise wage by 100%? Guess what, thousands would lose their jobs as businesses would just use less unskilled workers.

He is the one complaining about companies leaving and going overseas, guess what? Raising wages would only lead to more companies leaving. He’s a fucking idiot who thinks that the gov should tax top 2% up to 90%.

Ex-fucking-actly

OneHungLo · 11-13-2018, 12:18 PM

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What's funny is you confuse my calling you out on your daily racist rants as hating white people. I'm probably whiter than you and if you think every white person out there is a racist bigot like you then you probably should move out of that southern trailer park and stop spending so much time on stormfront and get a taste of the real world.

And did it ever occur to your limited thought process that if people actually were able to earn a living wage and if we had universal health care not so many people would have to depend on govt programs? Why are you ok subsidizing Walmart employees while they are the richest family in America?

Yeah I know I'm so racist. So predictable. Well let me give you some "racist" facts.

41.6 percent of blacks and 36.4 percent of hispanics are on gov't assistance {source}

Now with the ever increasing hispanic and black population and the decreasing white population, what's going to happen when the whites who are 87.8% {source} NOT on welfare, who basically prop the whole thing up, are out numbered 2 to 1? This county is doomed.

beerptrol · 11-13-2018, 12:28 PM

Alt right elitist puppet triggered^^^^^^^^

TrafficTitan · 11-13-2018, 12:37 PM

High minimum wage incentives companies to eliminate workers. Also there is cases where people work at conventions and stuff who would do it for free but can't. Minimum wage isn't designed as a permanent living wage. It's for students. High minimum wage would also disincentive people to get a college degree or other skills.

TheSquealer · 11-13-2018, 12:41 PM

Socialists.. the tip of the spear for driving innovation and technology!

Matt-ADX · 11-13-2018, 12:58 PM

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Socialists.. the tip of the spear for driving innovation and technology!

I should try to find the podcast, they had on an economist who basically said that increasing the minimum wage would have a short term burst on the economy for ~10-20 years at best but would cause massive job loss for the very reason that companies would move even quicker to automation in order to cut down on unskilled labor positions.

Bryan G · 11-13-2018, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Yeah, it's funny all those countries are also chock full of all the people you hate and love to blame everything on: White people lol

The problem is, many of those ultra white countries don't have a large minority population getting gov't assistance at the tune of 100s of billions a year. Keep importing all those illegals and refugees and there will be a tipping point eventually. When all the lazy non-working people start out numbering the working people, that's when shit collapses.

Have you been to France or Belgium? I can assure you they are not “ultra white”

Rochard · 11-13-2018, 03:15 PM

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Have you been to France or Belgium? I can assure you they are not “ultra white”

They aren't?

I've been to France, and I've been to Belgium. In fact, my step father is from Belgium. I didn't give it much thought at the time, but I thought they were very, very white. I can't remember seeing one person of color.

$5 submissions · 11-13-2018, 05:01 PM

Matt-ADX · 11-13-2018, 05:49 PM

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I think it might be the Shiff podcast where he later talks about automation more in depth, he touches on it in this clip.

RedFred · 11-13-2018, 06:57 PM

Paul Markham · 11-14-2018, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Yeah, it's funny all those countries are also chock full of all the people you hate and love to blame everything on: White people lol

The problem is, many of those ultra white countries don't have a large minority population getting gov't assistance at the tune of 100s of billions a year. Keep importing all those illegals and refugees and there will be a tipping point eventually. When all the lazy non-working people start out numbering the working people, that's when shit collapses.

Go study the facts on who is getting governments assistance in those countries.

Paul Markham · 11-14-2018, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt-ADX

It will increase the rate at which companies automate exponentially. Those McDonalds kiosks will be everywhere in no time. Companies won't fire people, they will simply look for ways to speed up the process and in turn eliminate those jobs.

The argument of a faster move to automation is false. That is already happening and as you point out McDonalds are already doing it. But way behind companies such as the car industry.

A comprehensive list of jobs threatened by AI.

BaldBastard · 11-14-2018, 03:33 AM

From my travels, I'd say Belgium's major migrant issues are with gypsies and other white trash eastern European scum. You sit in a café in Belgium and within 30 seconds there's always a gypsy teen mother there, kid sucking on tit and hand out begging.

.. come to think of it France is exactly the same.

OneHungLo · 11-14-2018, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

From my travels, I'd say Belgium's major migrant issues are with gypsies and other white trash eastern European scum. You sit in a café in Belgium and within 30 seconds there's always a gypsy teen mother there, kid sucking on tit and hand out begging.

.. come to think of it France is exactly the same.

Oh I'm sure. It's all those white Europeans that are destroying Europe

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OneHungLo Colonizer Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 37,571	Bernie to re-introducing legislation to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $15 an hour. When will these socialists learn that some of the work people do are not worth $15 an hour? If someone can only produce a value of $7.25 an hour why should someone have to pay them $15 an hour? Reminds me of why the American Samoas have a 25-30% unemployment rate. The united States got involved (Thanks Nancy Pelosi!) and forced the largest employer (Starkist Tuna) to jack up their min wage. Well the company couldn't afford to operate there and shut down their facility leaving half the island unemployed. This is a beautiful example of socialism at work. __________________ “Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. ― Calvin Coolidge

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