mce

https://reason.com/2019/04/23/bernie...n-bomber-vote/

They're already paying their debt to society... so what exactly is the point of BARRING them from voting?

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kane

I'm okay with people who are actually in jail/prison not being allowed to vote, but once they are released they should be allowed to once again.

Bladewire

Do people really think they're going to get quality
informed voting decisions from criminals? Where is the logic? No offense to anyone who's been in prison here , except UnHungHoe

OneHungLo

I agree with that. Aren't most voting rights restored once they are done with prison or parole?

I really would like to see anyone getting any form of welfare unable to vote till they're off the government dole.

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kane

Most states don't let felons vote. Only about 20 have a procedure in place that will let someone who is out of jail and has completed any and all probation etc vote again.

Not allowing people on welfare to vote is stupid. Most people on it are on it for a legit reason. There are people gaming the system, but most have a real reason to be on it. Are you suggesting that someone who is disabled and can't work shouldn't be allowed to vote or that someone who has fallen on hard times and needs a little help shouldn't be able to vote?

Bladewire

Of course he isn't because that's him!!

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OneHungLo

Not including anyone disabled.

If you can't find a job or are on it because of bad life decisions, you shouldn't be able to vote. Your rights would be restored once you're off.

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― Calvin Coolidge

kane

It's not about good or bad decisions. It's about letting people have a voice in how the country is being run.

kane

How do we determine who is who? Are we going to now have a government group that decides if you are worthy of voting when you are on welfare?

Bladewire

Why are we always having to explain facts to alt-right hate terrorist Trump supporters?

Why do alt-right hate terrorist Trump supporters always disagree with facts that don't benefit Trump or alt-right hate terrorists?

OneHungLo

There's a massive conflict of interest there. Poor people that make constant bad life decisions are not going to vote for what's best for the country, they are going to vote for who ever is giving them the best gibmedats.

If you don't work and pay taxes I don't think you should have a say in the matter.

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― Calvin Coolidge

Rochard

You are kidding, right?

Imagine you have two candidates... In Florida.... Candidate "A" wants to reduce prison sentences in half, while candidate "B" wants to double them. In Florida there are just under 200k in prison.... That can be enough to sway an election.

Now imagine this happening on the federal level for President.... Over two million people in prison in the United States. That's a huge voting block.

Are presidential candidates going to be hosting events at prisons to get their votes?

We don't trust these people in prison enough to let them out, and we shouldn't allow them to vote. Ever. Once a felon, you lose certain rights.

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OneHungLo

It's pretty simple - no worky, no pay taxey, no votey.

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― Calvin Coolidge

OneHungLo

So you agree with my stance with people on welfare not being able to vote

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― Calvin Coolidge

Bladewire

Trump doesn't pay taxes so he shouldn't be allowed to vote according to your logic.

Your right to vote depending on how much money you make is so fucking stupid what a fucking moron.

Now watch the backpedaling start where the Trump butt cruncher makes Trump the exception...

kane

When I was 5 my mom left my alcoholic dad. He was a deadbeat who was never in my life and it was nearly impossible to get him to pay child support. A few years after that, my mom got laid off from work and was out of work for a month or so before finding a new job. I have asthma and needed medication which wasn't cheap. She needed help. We went on food stamps for about a year while my mom got established in a new job and got health insurance.

Had there been an election during that year, my mom should lose her right to vote because she left a shitty marriage?

RedFred

This fucking dumbass doesn't think retired people should vote. I don't think people living in trailer parks should vote, what do you think of that Sasquatch?

OneHungLo

Trump employs over 22,450 people, moron.

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― Calvin Coolidge

Bladewire

Your rules "no pay taxey, no votey"

No taxes, no voting rights.

Trump pays no taxes it's right there in the video right from the fat sweaty pedophiles mouth.

You lick a man's sweaty shitty asshole deep all day everyday who you don't think should have the right to vote because he doesn't pay taxes.

OneHungLo

That sucks that you had to go through that but your mom made a bad life decision. I would restore her voting rights when she was off.

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― Calvin Coolidge

onwebcam

Now imagine you were a Democrat and this is why you want such things

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kane

I see. I guess you have never gotten involved with someone who had issues that they hid from you and you live a golden, flawless life.

I have a logistics question about this. How are you going to decide who gets to vote and who doesn't? Are we going to hire a bunch of people who go out and judge whether or not someone has made a decision you deem worthy of losing your right to vote over?

BTW since we are taking away people's Constitutional rights for bad choices, let's go around and collect the guns from anyone and everyone who has done something stupid. If you aren't smart enough to vote, then no gun for you.

Oh, and BTW you say no work, no pay taxes, no vote. During that time my mom worked 11 of the 12 months and she paid taxes. So you just broke your own fucking rule.

mce

Can you give some reasons why this is a good idea?

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kane

Why letting felons vote is a good idea?

1. US citizens have a Constitutional right to vote.
2. People should have a say in the direction their country is going in. Screwing up and having to pay a debt to society shouldn't change that.
3. Why shouldn't they?
4. It's a small thing, but being allowed to vote will make some people feel like they are part of society again and that they have a voice which can help them make a better life for themselves.
5. Felonies can cover a wide spectrum. If someone steals a car and ends up getting a felony on their record for it, and they serve 6 months in jail for it, I don't think that should disqualify them from ever voting again.
6. People change. However, if you don't give them the chance to be better people they never will be.
7. US citizens have a Constitutional right to vote.

mce

Just out of curiosity, how did this experience influence your view of authority / pre-existing order / that kind of thing?

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kane

My views of authority were mostly based on how my mom did things. She was pretty strict and she did not allow me or my brother to get into any real trouble without there being consequences for it. I never had a male authority figure in my life, but most of my friends did so I grew up with a bunch of "surrogate" father figures. When I was an adult it never really affected how I dealt with men in authority roles in general. I'm not sure if that is what you mean by that.

As for pre-existing order, I assume you are talking about gender roles and how they are set in society (if not just let me know). For me it never seemed odd. From the time I was 5 until I was 18 I think I saw my dad in person 4 or 5 times. To me, he wasn't a bad person, he was just a stranger. When I was an adult I ended up moving near him for a little while and decided to try to get to know him better. It turned out he's just a shitty person I didn't want to have anything to do with. My mom was pretty open with me and my brother when it came to sex ed, relationships or things like that. So stuff I might traditionally talk to a dad about I talked to her about, and it didn't seem too strange to me.

One thing it did for sure was give me a pretty negative feeling toward booze. I do sometimes drink and have gotten shitfaced drunk in my life, but I only drink on rare occasion. When I see booze I see shitty memories of my mom on the phone trying to find out why she wasn't getting child support or why her insurance wasn't covering some medical need. I see stress, anger, depression, and unhappiness. I never have found much joy in drinking or getting drunk. I like the taste of some of it, but it is basis for a lot of struggle in my family so I tend to stay away.

Vendzilla

Voting booths in prisons, Democrats wet dream, you can trust everything that comes out of a prison. Only reason they are doing this is because they need more votes

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OneHungLo

I've been around long enough to know the writing is always on the wall. People choose to ignore it.

It's simple. If you're on welfare you don't get to vote. It's not complicated.

It's like a root canal specialist can't take a kickback from another dentist referral. Conflict of interest.

They already do that. If you're a felon you can't own a firearm.

Let's make it clear: If you're not disabled and receive welfare you can't vote.

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― Calvin Coolidge

Acepimp

100% FALSE.

Another Yuge MSM Black Eye: Trump Tax Rate Higher Than Obama's, Bernie's, and NBC's!

Joe Biden And Bernie Sanders Both Paid a Lower Tax Rate Than President Trump

Once again BladeLiar is spreading lies.

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Bladewire

Trump said votes don't matter because the Electoral College is rigged and we should revolt against the government.

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