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03-23-2010, 08:39 AM | #51 |
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Oh, I got 99% on an open rate once. On Christmas day.
How? Advent calendar. I asked people to sign up for a DAILY nude pic in December. An advent cal. Every day for a month they would get a hot nude pic. Around 30% of my list agreed. And the response rates were crazy. And really, on Christmas day it had a 99% open rate. Bit early, I know, but heck, something to plan for. |
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While this is sticky, any questions?
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great read
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Thanks for the info, mang. I bet there is a ton of legal info lays behind it all too.
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03-27-2010, 06:16 PM | #56 |
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rather than newsletters, i prefer rss feeds and updates via twitter
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Say they read your emails every week and have come to trust you. The signal that will make them sign up is still the content you show them. If they receive this signal after a few days or weeks, then they'll sign up. IMHO, if it took your years to send them the right signal, then you must be doing something wrong.
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Let's say somebody says, "I want to fuck you" to 100 women. One of them may agree.
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Exactly. But most of all Fatfoo, If you were not as ugly as this fella, you could ask 10 and I bet 1 would say lets go out the back! |
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03-28-2010, 05:25 PM | #60 |
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Thank you Damian.
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great infos
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03-29-2010, 02:08 AM | #62 |
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Thanks for sharing
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I listen to Audible ads on This Week In Tech every week. For a couple of years. I haven't responded yet. But I am close to it. Of course, your experience may well be different. This time is only for cold newsletter sign ups, not winback campaigns. There are no hard and fast rules, each list is different. I was just speaking from my experience. Thanks for contributing to the thread. |
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They might. And you would definately piss off the remaining 99 during the process. Depends what your game is. Seeing the way you post here, I imagine the whole permission thing would be of no interest to you and you wouldn't care if you pissed off the the other 99. So if you think spamming if the sensible thing to do, cool. Everyone can chose what approach they want to take. The sensible one. Or the other one. Good luck. |
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Please try and keep your playground-mentality name calling out of the education threads. By all means call me ugly in other threads if it somehow makes you feel better about your own life. But try and keep the educational threads free of your highbrow wit. These threads being put in a special section on the site where experts in fields help others improve their business skills. Be a shame for that to be spoiled by failed attempts at preschool insults. I promise when Eric asks *you* to write an essay on how to stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases in the adult industry I will not post in it calling you a big poo poo head. OK? |
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The General Public have no fucking idea what RSS is. Just like they don't know what HTTP is. When RSS is seamless, like on the iTunes music store, "people" will use it. So, as the general public are comfortable with email, I suggest it is more effective to send emails with updates rather than hope to persaude people to get into RSS. However, I agree with you, and *personally* I like to get news/infos from RSS. |
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Thanks for posting about this, Damian.
Email is an incredibly important part of the marketing mix for mainstream online businesses, but it's rare to see someone write about using email in the adult marketplace, and to write about how to use it in an ongoing, responsible manner is more rare still. I've used newsletter marketing since 1999 and you hit a lot of important nails on the head in your post. When we had our sponsor program we used newsletters to attract new members, to retain members, and to encourage members who'd left to return. Double opt-in permission-based marketing works very well in adult, and you're correct that it does take time to build trust with readers. Now that we market other people's sites we see that even more than when we were working to build trust in our own site. While even the simple process of sending out some pics and a video each week will eventually yield signups, I did want to mention that we've found that using more text works best with our lists. Long copy vs short copy tests seem to indicate that while many people may not like to read, a lot of those who like to read also like to join. While we get a good amount of RSS feed subscribers, we certainly get more surfers signing up for our newsletters. One thing we've done is to mention our feed URLs in our newsletters, where we can devote a little space to explaining how to read a feed. Also, we use Dada Mail (which you mentioned) and it provides an additional RSS feed for the newsletter itself, which we can promote both in the newsletter and on our sites. Anyway, thanks for posting about this topic. I haven't gone to any shows in some years, but if I do go sometime I'll be sure to look for the magic Brit at the bar.
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I was posting a comment that I believe is true. Where is the playground mentality? You agreed with Fatfoo. I too, agreed with Fatfoo & said that it was no good listening to yourself, as it is a different story from different people. You have not commented on my looks before? You are ugly & to say that you asked 100 women & got know where, was a ridicuous example as you could ask maybe a 1000 and still not get anywhere. It is yourself that has childish attitudes to folks. |
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It was when you tried awfully hard to insult me by calling me ugly. That is what children do. Hence the term playground mentality.
No. I was taking the piss out of him for missing the point. Bless you for not getting that. Again, Gary, this is an official Educational Series thread that GFY are offering for the more serious business people here. Your continual trolling of my threads trying to derail sensible discussions by calling me ugly is not really a helpful contribution, is it? You need to think before you post man. I am trying to help you out here. Quote:
Once again, I invite you to start another thread focussing on just how ugly you think I am, so as you can stop ruining this official GFY Educational Series thread. I doubt the admin team want these threads ruined by the likes of you. It would be a shame if you got banned from here too, as that would only leave you netplonk to spam your sites on. Have a long, hard think about this before you carry on. Do feel free to comment here on what YOU do with email marketing to promote your sites, or ask me questions about email, or marketing. Just try and stop calling me names as it doesn't really elevate the discussion in anyway. Cheers! |
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To try and get this back on track, here is a bonus thought.
Subject lines No more than 56 characters. You thought Twitter was restrictive, well think 84 characters *more* restrictive! You need to get their attention quickly and achieve standout. Personalisation* is great for this. So adding variable_firstname is a winning tactic: Hey, Damian, here's this week's update... But, the important thing to remember is that you only get 56 characters. This isn't a law, but is Best Practise and will mean that it is very likely that your beautiful, hand-crafted subject line will not be truncated by the email client. *yes, it has an s not a z, I am British |
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Its a shame that you mention trolling, when I look back to all of the trolling you have done on my threads saying about my hair or live in a caravan, when obviously none of the statements you have said are true. Come on Damian, maybe you should think about the immature comments you have made in the past. Anyway, more to the point is that I mentioned a simple true fact that you are ugly with very bad teeth, an awful crater face & a face that shows you are a difficult know it all always wants his own childish way with sarcasm & arrogance. For this reason, many girls would have said no to you when you asked. If you read your article, you have mentioned that you know that this is true as you have tried it. You were talking about the fact of questioning the girls in the bar. This point didn't seem like analogy to myself. You clearly write "Really, I've Tried" You also were serious when you answered fatfoos post, saying he was right that asking 100 people, you could have 1 girl say yes. Do not try to change it into sarcasm, although, if you were being sarcastic, your proving correct over your facial looks. Many companies still use telesales. It is a numbers game & they do well from it. 10 in 100 usually say yes. Unless, you are saying that all the telesales offices have got sales wrong & should do it your way? Stop acting like an arsehole Damian. I have mentioned true facts & not obsurd statements like you do on my threads. If you cannot leave it there, it is you that acts like a child & should not be giving opinions to adult businesses. Anyway, sorry that you have taking my thoughts of you to heart. |
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Nice read Damian
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Even with double opt-in email list I am quite worried that someone could report me for sending spam (just like those retarded paysite members who buy membership and lose their accession details so they email you but never bother to check their spam folder for your replies so finally they charge back every single dollar spent on your paysite).
I am really worried that my hosting company or domain registrar could freeze or cancel my account just because a recipient of a newsletter is an idiot. What do you think ? Is such threat really possible or I'm being over cautious? What do you think? Could you share your experience? Which option you think is better - own software on own server (phplist, dadamail etc.) or 3rd party service ? And why? I would really appreciate your help. Thanks again for really good post! |
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This is one reason why you do double opt in! A third party Email Service Provider will be much better for a variety of reasons. However, hardly any will touch adult. |
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I've just started my own "all original" Australian solo and girl-girls site. I'm looking forward to implementing a lot of this! thank you kindly!
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Great info DamianJ! Thanks for sharing! I'm not new to mailing but I am new to this type of mailing and it's a relief to know there's a way to do it right.
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We have been using Lyris for our email and had really good luck with it. But I still picked up some tips from your tutorial. The double opt-in is an absolute must. I just wish I knew what to do with ALL the stats these emails produce. The list for our men site is just over 9k and absolutely makes sales. Not a huge number of addys but muscle worship is a pretty targeted niche.
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I found Lyris had real deliverability issues. But I am glad it's working for you. If you want me to take a look at your creative, I imagine I might be able to eek out a few more clicks for you.
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nice post
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05-26-2010, 12:36 PM | #82 |
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Good read
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great read! Thanks for the valuable info
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I realize this is an old thread but man, this post is amazing. Thanks a lot for this!
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12-17-2010, 06:49 PM | #85 |
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DJ you rock. It's the first post on gfy with more than 20 lines i read it completely. You are very good. Keep the good work and help the others too.
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Defenatly something to think about.
With some adjustments i think i can make it work from an afiliate pov as well. I will sit on it for a wee bit longer and let it brew.... |
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Interesting read. Thanks top notch.
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This was a top notch and stand-up post, I feel confident in my email skills after attending this riveting lecture on the subject. You should publish a paper on your amazing findings.
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Excellent read, thanks!
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Thanks for writing it !
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good job. very good article. very educational. hope you keep up the good job.
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I've used e-mail marketing on all of my mainstream sites with results similar to the ones you outline, but I've been skittish about using it for my one adult site for the reason Kolargal mentions. One of my mainstream sites, a daily spiritual suggestion site, was briefly crippled when a malicious subscriber set up numerous subscriptions through numerous @MSN accounts then marked all the e-mails as spam. I had to change IP's, do some extra validation with my sign-up script, and rewrite my Privacy Policy to reflect the additional information I was collecting for validation (which still isn't a 100% guarantee it won't happen again).
This was an inconvenience for a mainstream site; it could have ended up a legal exposure for an adult site. The state of Florida is starting to become meanspirited toward adult, ignoring the letter of their own law to get a righteous sounding headline. If I do decide to do adult e-mail in the future, it will definitely be third party, to limit exposure as much as possible. That said, yes, it does bring great results. And as a sidenote, I've also gotten a lot of mileage out of, "HI! WANNA FUCK?" ;)
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Nice article, good information, Thanks
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Great info
Great info - really helpful
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Hello .. I appreciate your good work .. Thumbs up dude ..
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very informative, many thanks
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