How big a piracy problem is Usenet?
 

And how well do they respond to DMCA notices, if you can even send them?

I'm not as clued up on this as others. But found all this courtesy of Damian and KT pointing me to it.

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/nzb0.jpg

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/nzb1.jpg

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/nzb2.jpg

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/nzb3.jpg

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/nzb4.jpg

Educate me please.

Giganews respond well to DMCA. They are the biggest provider to hit them first.

It's cat and mouse though because like filelockers they don't ban users who continually upload.

Why slay the golden goose?

To be honest, it's not such a huge problem as it seems... For now. Usenet was there long before torrents and file lockers, but majority of people don't even know about it's existence. It's not that easy to download something from Usenet - you have to use special app, you have to pay for using it without limitations, you have to know where to look for stuff. And most of pirates won't pay for anything - they don't have enough money or just think that everything should be free.

Usenet was always one of the first warez distribution channels (like IRC and ftp) and it seems that will stay that way, because it gives you the highest level of anonymity - no logs, encrypted connection through third-world chained proxies and vpn's bundled with your $20 Usenet plan, paying with prepaid cards, ukash or sms...

It can turn into real problem if more people learn about benefits of Usenet though...

That's why Usenet is being used for much worse and shady things than piracy... Sad but true.

From Wikipedia:

:2 cents:

Usenet is old school, and even more complicated to use than torrents (i.e. not much but enough to deter 99% of users) the problem is the scrapers that scoop content and present it to their subscribers in a convenient and easy to use form.

The original usenet is text discussion groups which then had binaries bolted on using attachments. The problem with DMCA is that it's decentralized, no one really hosts the whole thing they just copy posts from each other to make up the categories & discussions

Paul, there is ten TB of data a DAY uploaded to usenet. According to http://www.morganelligroup.com/usenet-stats/

Daily Volume Date Source
4.5 GB 1996-12 Altopia.com
9 GB 1997-07 Altopia.com
12 GB 1998-01 Altopia.com
26 GB 1999-01 Altopia.com
82 GB 2000-01 Altopia.com
181 GB 2001-01 Altopia.com
257 GB 2002-01 Altopia.com
492 GB 2003-01 Altopia.com
969 GB 2004-01 Altopia.com
1.30 TB 2004-09-30 Octanews.net
1.38 TB 2004-12-31 Octanews.net
1.52 TB 2005-01 Altopia.com
1.34 TB 2005-01-01 Octanews.net
1.30 TB 2005-01-01 Newsreader.com
1.81 TB 2005-02-28 Octanews.net
1.87 TB 2005-03-08 Newsreader.com
2.00 TB 2005-03-11 Various sources
2.27 TB 2006-01 Altopia.com
2.95 TB 2007-01 Altopia.com
3.07 TB 2008-01 Altopia.com
3.80 TB 2008-04-16 Newsdemon.com
4.60 TB 2008-11-01 Giganews.com
4.65 TB 2009-01 Altopia.com
6.00 TB 2009-12 Newsdemon.com
5.42 TB 2010-01 Altopia.com
8.00 TB 2010-09 Newsdemon.com
7.52 TB 2011-01 Altopia.com
8.25 TB 2011-10 Thecubenet.com
9.19 TB (estimate) 2012-01 Altopia.com

Hope that helps to give you an idea of the scale.

as someone who traded blank tapes with people from brazil as a kid trying to get ahold of music I had never heard of, if anyone thinks traders will ever stop its not going to happen, and with cloud file sharing so popular now, if you think 1TB is bad, its going to double. files are meant to be shared and this is how the next gen will see things. my little girl is already 2 and watching youtube videos of her favorite crtoons.... yeah and its all copywritten infringing sesame street vids on youtube.

you tyhink she thinks thats wrong? no and she never will, you cant go against this...

signed up for 50gig box account yesterday, free of course and soon as i uploaded a mp3 it asked me if i wanted to share it with everyone on facebook.

ummm, and they arrested megaupload? LOL

It's copyrighted not copywritten, "writing copy" is a different thing.

Sesame street has an official youtube channel, they almost certainly are in with the digital fingerprinting scheme so they get a cut of ad revenue for their videos no matter who uploads them.

H1pcr1me

that is but one very small example I used.... how about a fraction of the others (her playlist is about 9 hours long) lol

blues clues
ni hao kai lan
word world

sesame street was just an example i pulled out my head, there are COUNTLESS infringing kid videos on that site

Again, it's likely all major producers are already up on the digital fingerprinting scheme, so they no longer are infringing at all.

It's just like TV, no one wonders if the shows are licensed to be broadcast because it's none of your business as a viewer.

Usenet? are you guys still in the 90s? that thing is practically dead, most services are gone
maybe you should check Gopher too! LOL

the only thing "likely" is the fact users are uploading clips from childrens shows. LOL

and i save money not ordering dvds by just playing youtube to TV :thumbsup

but i also have instant watch netflix too which is better but youtube playlists are cool for playtime kid vids

Yes, the clips are uploaded by the users, detected by the digital fingerprinting, and approved to be posted, that's how it works.

Watching Mickey Mouse Clubhouse on YouTube right now.

Instant Watch NETFLIX is a god send for anyone with kids. Fuck cable, for $7.99 we've got everything we need.

i swore an oath to never buy elmo dvds or any of that, she will just throw it away in couple years and yes, instant watch ANYTHING for kids is great.

Sometimes I put something on she shakes head and its like even just three clicks takes too long, if i had to switch out dvds shed prolly bite me! i stream netflix to my phone too
lol

webmaster dads working from home raising chirrens. oh the hilarity

To have a good experience on usenet, you need to pay a provider ~20 a month, plus a paid account at a quality indexer, and have some knowledge of the scene.

To the average Joe, Netflix is cheaper and much easier, and lately a lot of the stuff you get on usenet is ripped from Netflix anyway.

Additionally, as usenet servers fill up older stuff is pushed out, so there is a retention issue as well, it's not like torrents where the stuff will be on there as long as somebody is seeding, or like a file locker where the server is maintained and backed up.

Most usenet uploads last from a few days to a few months, and though there are premium services claiming to retain files for up to 3 years, I have never seen anything over a year old download correctly.

Get rid of the standard blue xp theme.

how big an airplane is blue?

:error


..

Deh-Yah-POO....

Right click the start bar and lock it.

That annoys me so much.

Interesting how few people here really understand what usenet is and how it really works. They do know how to use it though.

I dont have the time to explain it fully but suffice ot to say usenet as a piracy vehicle isnt going anywhere soon. its decentralized and removing content is next to impossible because of how it works, just because giganews removes something is relatively meaningless because the way usenet works you would have to remove that post from all news servers before it propagates again...good luck with that....

Best we could do is target usenet search engines because they make usenet MUCH easier to use

A lot of content is being uploaded to usenet. But it's not as much used as torrents or tubes, since it's not as easy to setup or use.

i bet usenet will go soon and is under radar already, it is filled daily with illegal sick porn and available online from browsers to everyone, it must go!

usenet is often the main source for torrents and tubes.....:2 cents::2 cents:

Usenet has had a major resurgence over the past year or so. There are a lot of tools like SABnzbd and sites like nzbxxx that make it all easy. If the client software is easy then it's simple for the masses to use.

Think of it a giant decentralized cloud based file locker.

You keep thinkin that hot rod....

I would quote Mark Twain here...Tis better to say nothing and have people think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

you = clueless

leave usenet alone its old

lol this guy obviously had no idea, but I wouldn't worry too much about usenet since the average joe doesn't use it. If someone is savy enough for usenet they are not out buying porn memberships fyi

gotta be honest I use usenet for tv shows every night and it kicks ass, speeds are unreal. HD I download from there looks better than the stuff I pay for every month

yea the speeds are unreal man :thumbsup

over 1000 days retention on the servers i use, all download fine and there are always .par2 files to fix any errors.

latest episode of survivor downloaded in 3 minutes

anyway noone joining a paysite has heard of usenet before

usenet has also been great for program owners looking to start a new exgf site with super cheap content :(

ya see, its far from dead, even gfyers USE it everyday.

LOL

several people touched on it already, but overall you are not going to get it removed, like others said, its the way usenet is. As soon as its uploaded, its on thousands of usenet servers. I use to run my own usenet server taking feeds from several main providers. It takes a craazy amount of hard drives to offer binary groups.

Anyways, usenet was once reat for advertising your site, back when netscape had a usenet reader built into it. now you can use Eudora to grab your usenet groups and your local ISP should have the settings for you to get them. But if you have to after the poster, not sending out takedown notices. Some of the big usenet sites hide the IP address of the poster, this heps them get people to join because they know they can post anom. But if you can get an Ip address of the poster send a complaint to their ISP.

Thanks guys for the info. A little more knowledgeable now. This was started by a debate I was having with Damian and JT on B&B they seem to think Usenet will step in and become the replacement for pirates if laws hit the funding of piracy.

Seems they are wrong.

So a law hitting the funding will make it harder for pirates and the people who profit from piracy. :thumbsup

No one will stop piracy. Lets just remover the profit element and then look at the problem.

Most traders do not profit.

As shown by multiple peoople in this thread even people in this thread use Usenet to download content. Which provves my main point all along... Gfyers will raise hell and want executions if someone downloads a blowjob clip but then sit back and burn Hollywood movie DVDs... Download TV shows and mp3$.... Lol

the same reason most dont give a sit about Hollywood copyright and downloading our pirating it.... Is the way porn traders feel..

They want content but dont want to pay... Fyi I dont care what ppl download just so tired of ppl on gfy acting like this,place is any different than any other forum full of traders lol

Where did I say that?

Come on Paul, stop lying.

I was explaining to you, again, that Usenet has been going since before the WWW started and is free and has no advertising revenue and you can't stop it.

I was explaining that the majority of pirates do it for the lulz, not for money. So your awesome plan of removing revenue would have no impact on piracy as most people do it to be 'cool' not for cash.

I was explaining how it is growing very quickly. And is just one form of unstoppable piracy.

Stop lying and go and walk the jigsaw.

x

No different from file lockers, if the people maintaining the very expensive infrastructure who keeps this running are targeted then the rest doesn't matter.