Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail.
 

Benito Mussolini

agree?

No, it's the next step in the social evolutionary process. America isn't a democracy, It's a republic by actual definition even with all our social programs. Socially Europe is far advanced to us even though they screwed up.

Think about it. There have been revolutions everywhere and sooner or later there will be one here because the poor now feel entitled and probably rightfully so if you break down how they got that way.

Wrong. Socialism is a step backwards. Or in a lot of countries a step sideways. Liberty is the next social evolutionary process.

Every anarchist is a baffled dictator.

Abraham Lincoln.

What the fuck is liberty. It's some intangible description. Socialism tries to make everyone equal taking into consideration that everyone is not and also that some don't deserve it.

America is a Republic, not a democracy and it's more socialist than it is democratic just for the record. That's why slavery was outlawed because at the time it would have lost the vote.

Just saying

Socialism forces people to be as equal as the government sees fit. That is a step backwards.

I am not arguing the fact that America is a republic.

YOU might be confusing it with communisim. Socialism is an attempt to make everyone equal. America is so socialist it's not funny. the only thing we aren't socialist about is Health care and that's all about politics.

if you don't support the state you can always refuse to pay taxes. :2 cents:

get some guns then. join a militia.

not as powerful as a multitude of sovereign citizens answerable only to common law.

That's basically socialism. Otherwise there would be voting involved.

Statism in whatever flavor (Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, etc) is tyranny. Tyranny is an all-knowing, all-powerful State that has the ability to do what it wants when it wants -- regardless of what the citizenry ("We the People") desire.

Statism is diametrically opposed to the Liberty of the individual, because a well-informed, competent, and capable individual is a threat to the Statist.

And yes, The United States is incredibly Socialistic. But that's not the way it was designed, and that's not the way it's supposed to be.

The fact of the matter is, we are past the point of no return. American Socialism will soon merge with European Socialism, and the Statists will finally have the new Global Order they've been lusting for since the mid-late 19th century.
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pretty racist thread man :2 cents:

The diversity of mankind is a basic postulate of our knowledge of human beings. But if mankind is diverse and individuated, then how can anyone propose equality as an ideal? Every year, scholars hold Conferences on Equality and call for greater equality, and no one challenges the basic tenet. But what justification can equality find in the nature of man? If each individual is unique, how else can he be made 'equal' to others than by destroying most of what is human in him and reducing human society to the mindless uniformity of the ant heap?
-Murray N. Rothbard

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”

Adolf Hitler.

Great post of an awesome quote from an awesome scholar.

Thomas Sowell is on point about such talk about "fairness" "equality" etc. These are words that sound nice but there's no definition. That's when people get suckered in and the "solution" ends up being way worse than the "problem."

Here's another great scholar on this issue

Porn is fantasy, pure fantasy. No one is selling a video or a picture, they sell the fantasy of the viewer. It's proven men are turned on by a visual image and that triggers their mind to imagine the scenario, with them in it somehow. Very often as a participant or viewer.

So sell the fantasy. Not just in words, the images and videos have to build the fantasy as well.

when men watch a stripper, they fantasise about fucking her. Same with an image. How many times have we read the comment "I could fuck her"? When someone posts a picture.

The trick is to make the girl look like she would fuck them. And this goes on and on in porn. A teen has to look 18ish, not a 24 year old in pig tails. An amateur has to look like she's the girl next door and in secret would fuck anyone.

When a surfer hits your site or samples, he needs to be sold a fantasy. If you don't know the fantasy, then you need to find out what it is. Because if you don't you're shooting in the dark.

This is the steps to success in most businesses.

Getting the product right.

Getting the marketing right.

Putting yourself in front of as many people as possible.

Convincing the client your product meets his needs.

Closing the sale.

Making sure your product does meet his needs.

Never stopping doing the above and looking for new opportunities.


In business there are no short cuts. Because the easier it is to short cut or work the system. The more people you compete with.

- Paul Markham

how can socialism ever truly exist when already we have a situation where so few have so much

poking eyes out :2 cents:

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you start by saying there is going to be an inevitable revolution because of inequality

and continue on to say socialism abounds in america


just keep drinking :2 cents: :1orglaugh

"Great liars are also great magicians. "

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think."

"Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice."

"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."

"If today I stand here as a revolutionary, it is as a revolutionary against the Revolution."

-Ronald Reagan, Greatest President Evar

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Next step is extinction ...

Papill0n, under a free market system, it doesn't matter how much $$$ the people "on top" have. It doesn't matter at all.

Who the fuck cares how much money they have? Bill Gates is a BILLIONAIRE. In what way does that fact prevent you (or anyone else) from going out, working hard, and making your own fortune?

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You are assuming there's a limited amount of pie. Under a free market, it's not about re-distributing a limited amount of pie -- it's about making and selling more pies.

Bill Gates made and sold LOTS of pie. But that didn't keep Mark Zuckerberg from going out, producing a different kind of pie -- and making his own fortune. In fact, it could be argued that the Bill Gates paved the way for Zuckerberg to do what he did. Without PCs there could be no Facebook.

The fact is... success and wealth breeds MORE success and wealth.

Redistribution only squanders it. :mad:

your logic is flawed

the pie is indeed a limited resource. the pie is the earth.

your not up for redistribution which is fine but just understand the people that dont have anything - and i mean anything - dont look at it like you do.

you already have pie and your not sharing. thats fine.

just like i said. how can socialism ever exist when people dont want to share.

im just agreeing with mussolini lol

i think its human nature. cant see anything changing until we reach some sort of cataclysmic event myself

Sorry, but in this case we are talking about wealth, not space on the planet. Wealth is a function of the creation of new products and services. An empty field has a certain amount of value, one that is cultivated to grow crops, or mined for minerals has more value, when those crops or minerals are processed they have more value, etc, etc, etc... right up the point of an Ipad. Wealth is not finite, if you come up with a service or product that has value, or a method that increases the value of a product or service, more wealth is created.



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So's communism, retard. The ONLY difference between socialism and communism is the way they're supposed to be achieved.

if you are 20 and not a socialist you have no heart

if you are 40 and still a socialist you have no brain

or something like that

The pie here is a metaphor for wealth. One of the arguments brought forth by socialists and others advocating some kind of "redistribution" is that there's "enough for everyone, but the problem is that it isn't distributed fairly". So their solution is to redistribute things fairly and that way there will be no more poverty and war.

That way of thinking is mostly rooted in flawed economic theory. Socialists, syndicalists etc use the Labor Theory of Value (it's the ugly cousin of that other flawed theory of value namely the Cost Theory of Value).

In the 1870s we rediscovered the Subjective Theory Of Value (it goes all the way back to Aristotle). The price of an item is basically determined based on how much 2 individuals (the seller and the buyer) value that item. (Google: Carl Menger marginal pairs for more info).

Why is this relevant? Because, yes we live in a world of 'scarcity'. There's no unlimited supply of iron, gold, water, uranium, oil etc. However, one thing is unlimited and that's the number of human goals or wants. We all want and desire different things. And once one goal is accomplished we set new goals. When we're hungry we'll want something to eat. And we all prefer different things to eat. Once we've eaten we go on to accomplish our next goal etc etc etc.

So how do we make sure the maximum amount of goals, the most important goals (the things we value most) are accomplished with that limited supply of resources?

One simple thing plays a very important role in that process. I'll cheat and copy/paste one of my posts from another thread:

So prices play an essential role. Prices can however only be established in a world with property rights. Prices aren't arbitrarily chosen things. One can't simply say "I value that article that much". How much you value something can only be expressed in relation to or in comparison to another product.

If I've got 20 euros in my pocket and I can either buy a steak and a coke or a spaghetti, a glass of wine and an ice cream, then I'll chose the one I value most at that moment in time. If I take that steak and the coke that means that at that moment in time I valued that one unit consisting out of a steak and a coke more than one unit consisting out of a spaghetti, a glass of wine and an ice cream. The fact that I pay one unit consisting out of 20 euros in exchange for a steak and a coke also shows that at that moment in time... you get the picture.

To quote Carl Menger: "Value is a judgment economizing men make about the importance of the goods at their disposal for the maintenance of their lives and well-being. Hence value does not exist outside the consciousness of men."

So if we have no method to determine which goods are at our disposal (which goods are yours to use, to decide over,...), we cannot express how much we value something. So if there's no system of private property rights, it's impossible to coordinate the process of distributing/rationing scarce resources I described.


Systems like socialism (no private property), syndicalism (means of production owned by those using them at that moment in time), fascism (means of production are privately owned but the state dictates how they can and must be used),... are all extremely inefficient and can in time only do 1 thing: fail. for the very simple reason that without private property, there can be no prices. Without prices, there can be no economic calculation.

having laws dosen't equate to force knuckle head.

I agree with that first sentence you got up there though, not a lot of differences is there?

Coming form an ex-socialist country I have to laugh at all the pro-socialists LOL

The end of man kind will come as in that film " Idiocracy"

Man kind will reward the lazy and punish the smart.

Entitlement mentality.

We stopped natural selection and introduced un-natural deselection.

"wealth is a function of the creation of new products and services"

and you just create both of those out of thin air do you ?

wealth is absolutely finite.the distribution of wealth is grossly uneven.

socialism is a myth & thank you come again

Il socialismo è una frode, una commedia, un fantasma, un ricatto, un gioco, una barzelletta, una farsa, una fatale perdita, una morte lenta, una lunga tortura della speranza

Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail, a joke, a travesty, a farce, a fatal loss, a slow death, a long torture of hope.

Ok so if you just need to work hard to be a billionaire and everyone can do it, why isn't everyone billionaires?

Clearly socialism is preventing this from happening

Only person who lived both should speak about it. I did.

of course. because every individual is different, wealth will always be distributed unevenly.

Give 100 people each $100. Some will spend it on beers, others on a present for their g/f, some will save it, some will buy nickels (and make an instant profit :) ), some will buy a few new domains,...

I'm gonna recycle one of my own posts: