Cleartly the solution to the problem is more guns!
 

Outstanding. More dead this morning. More guns must be the solution.

(CNN) -- At least seven people, including a gunman shot by a police officer, have been killed in an attack on worshippers at a Sikh temple in the Milwaukee suburb of Oak Creek, Wisconsin, on Sunday, police said.

The officer was wounded but "returned fire, and that shooter was put down," said Bradley Wentlandt, the police chief in nearby Greenfield, who briefed reporters. Investigators who picked through the building afterward found four bodies inside the temple and two other victims outside, plus the gunman, Wentlandt said.

Though early reports had suggested there may have been more than one attacker, he said officers had not identified any other gunmen.

The wounded officer, a 20-year veteran, was in surgery Sunday afternoon after being shot multiple times, but was expected to survive, Wentlandt said. He was sent to the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek, south of Milwaukee, after a 911 call about 10:25 a.m. (11:25 a.m. ET).

Carolyn Bellin, a spokeswoman for Milwaukee's Froedtert Hospital, said one of three men brought there from the incident was in surgery early Sunday morning, while another was in the surgical intensive care unit. The third was being evaluated in the emergency room. All three were in critical condition.

The temple has a congregation of 250 to 400, according to its website.

"I just want to say this temple was built a number of years ago and there have never been any problems with this temple," Oak Creek Alderman Dan Jakubczyk said. "They've been a plus to this city and to my district."

The solutions is better humans.....
 

The solution is not more guns.

The solution is not allowing hate to flow through this country. The solution is to stop hiding behind one issue and ignoring the fact that there is something wrong here cause you sleep better at night.

The solution is putting things in place to make this happen. The solution is to stop all of this hate - but you know, hey - why do all that work for social change when you can cunt about guns and oversimplify it.

Your solution to the illegal use of guns is less legal guns? By your logic, the solution to crime would be less police.

Strange how some of those numbers, in a particular mathematical formula, produce another number that is EXACTLY a number very similar to number(s) that are seen in nwo/reptilians/lil wayne's music video. And so soon after the batman shooting too. Coincidence? I think not...

The problem seems to be Sikhs, not guns.

oh for sure man. everytime we here about a gun incident in the states there's a Sikh behind it.

Actually, I have heard two different reports - the last stating that the shooter(s) were white. But nothing is settled yet, a lot of dust in the air.

We are a barbaric species. Monkeys in clothes.

The solution is more guns. Clearly if they were all armed with AR15s this would have ended very differently.

Clearly the solution is more government. The government has been doing an incredible job at preventing all those shootings. If we give up even more of our liberties, then we will live in Utopia!

How so? The shooter was a white guy in his 30's, probably fueled by the right wing hate machine.

I am confused here. In America is it "the rightt to bear arms" or "the right to cause arm"???

Yes, buy more guns and eat mor chikin. When they come to take our guns away, if we have 26 guns instead of 21 it will make all the difference in the world.

Care to explain what the Sikhs did to deserve this????

I don't personally care if guns are banned or not. Seems to me there is a larger problem of people in desperate need of psychiatric help that are either not getting it, or not being forced to get it.

......Ooops. I'm sorry. I forget we live in a politically correct world where everyone is inherently good. Can't judge. My bad.

I do think equating guns to violent acts is silly. Crazy people are crazy. Crazy people determined to kill others will do it. It's every bit as easy to make a massively devistating bomb as it is to get a gun and ammo.

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Tried to embed a video - wouldn't let me. boo!

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=z-B0WCBz2mg

Ban all guns.

Criminals can't afford new guns. They steal their guns. So if you take guns away from law abiding citizens, you are cutting off the source of guns for the criminals.

He could have waited till they were all inside and poured 5 gallons of gas in the entrance.

Banning guns wont stop nutters.

Meanwhile, in every country that bans guns, no gun massacres occurred. I just can't figure out the solution to this one.

I know right? Just the other day some nut job with a baseball bat killed seventeen people at the movies. We should ban bats because baseball bat killing it out of control!

I know, right! All of the law abiding citizens were quick to protect themselves in the movies when that guy with the shotgun and the AR15 opened up on them!

I love it when people bring up the "right wing hate machine" when the last few people who shot up crowds were left wing - oh but then you always change your story and call them crazy at that point.

Criminals buy guns illegally. They don't usually steal them because they will get shot doing so. Their main source of buying weapons is from illegal weapons dealers. Outlawing guns has done nothing. Look at San Francisco and Oakland with two of the biggest anti-gun laws around. The crime is horrendous and the only people carrying guns are illegal guns or cops.

And actually, there are mass shootings in high crimes in countries where guns are banned. Look at England. I just read an article the other day where rapes, murders, and robberies are up. And what country was it when the crazy guy went out and shot up a bunch of kids recently? Was it Norway? Did their gun laws stop him? No. Mexico has anti-gun laws. They have the worst crime rate ever.

bull shit!

That's not true.

In this tiny corner of the EU, it's very difficult to get a permit to own a gun. Almost no one owns one. It is impossible to buy things like assault rifles or grenades.

Yet, last year a guy took a bag filled with weapons with him to a square, threw some grenades into a crowd and opened fire with an assault rifle.

Criminals use AKs and explosives to rob armored cars even though explosives are impossible to buy over here. (even the types used for demolition purposes). The criminals import them from certain Eastern European countries (fresh from the government stock piles).

2 years ago a guy painted his face (Joke style) and rode his bicycle to a daycare center with a bag pack full of kitchen knives and a small ax. The guy stabbed and killed several babies and people working there.

I could go on, but the point should be clear. Even if it's illegal to own a weapon, criminals will always find a way to get them or find another way to harm people.

How much you wanna bet this guy thought these Sikhs were Muslims?

Why are you blaming the victims?

9 out of 10 its gonna be the right wing crazies. I've never seen the hate I do except in the far right/conservative side. Abortion clinic bombers, religious nuts, racist people in general, all from the right. I can link you 100s of videos of right wing crazies full of hate.

Every wonder what really goes someone's mind who totally snaps and goes on a shooting spree?

It's one thing to plan it, but to actually go through with it. Just crazy. No one ever gets away with it.

Clearly there's no one size fits all answer to any of this.

Some things strike me as glaringly obvious however.

Regarding guns... I think it's a given that armed homeowners do indeed present a deterrent to residential crime, especially in the area of break-ins, home invasions, burglaries and so on. When those same citizens take their legal guns out into the community, with conceal permits and such, the issue does get a tad more complicated however.

Regarding wack jobs... It really, really needs to be exponentially easier to have them involuntarily committed before they snap. You won't catch all (or even most) of them, but you'll get a hell of a lot of them this way. The Arizona and Colorado shooters come to mind here.

Slippery slope. Not so long ago the US government would institutionalize black civil liberty activists and have them declared insane because their stood up up for their rights.

Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Castro, the Cheka, the Stasi, Ted Kaczynski, the Ethiopian Red Terror,... There is violence on both sides.

You're right. Slippery slope. Like everything. Absolutely everything. The universal argument that applies to anything and everything. Lets use that argument and follow it to its logical conclusion and just make laws themselves illegal!

The entire original concept of laws is not about the most efficient way to organize things, but to prevent (and repair) injustice. Murder is an act of injustice, theft is an act of injustice, rape is an act of injustice etc. All those things are 'mala in se'. Merely talking or fantasizing about committing murder or about pulling off a heist or about rape is not an act of injustice. Locking people up when they have not committed an act of injustice but when some psychiatrist believes they might some day commit an act of injustice is an act of injustice in itself.

Thats an interesting interpretation. The purpose of laws are to protect the rights and property of others and to punish those who infringe the rights of others. It's not any more complicated than that.

But I get your point. The guy who totally out of his fucking mind and who is about to walk into a day care and lock the doors and burn the place to the ground while its full of children shouldn't be hindered on his way to do it. It should only become a problem once there is a body count.

thankfully you're not in charge, i'd rather move somewhere else then :upsidedow

That is exactly what I just said.


No. You can act against him the second he initiates his actions (including when he threatens to do so).

But you can't just lock up people because you consider them "wack jobs".