Executive Order for Gun Control
 

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ns_694984.html



"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

First they take your guns...

You anti gun nuts do realize that trying to ban guns is only going to get a lot of people hurt and killed?

It didn't work - for long - with alcohol, what on earth makes you people believe it'll work with guns?

You really want to solve most gun related problems? Well then how about telling the gov to stop supplying guns and drugs to the criminals...

Fixed it for you.

Not to mention, banning guns solves nothing... even if you could manage to get them out of the criminals' hands as well... Violent people will still react violently.

There's nothing wrong with banning certain guns.

That depends on how you look at it...

The people can't exactly stand up against a tyrannical government armed with only pistols...

go obama go

The government is not going to take guns from it's citizens.

how about electing a sensible government? as far as i know the US is not a dictatorship

We'd need a lot less muppets first, unfortunately.

Stupid people are drawn in to stupid things... like this whole "left vs right" garbage... and facebook... and american idol... and anything and everything that keeps people from focusing on the real problems we have in our country.

The government is doing it's job well... those of us who care about the real problems in amercia are made to look like nuts, and the rest are force fed absolute garbage and given enough to keep them overall content with their sad pathetic lives...

Neither was the weimar republic.....





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which is a brilliant example btw that guns in the hands of the people would not have changed the slightest bit

also there were a few "minor" flaws in the constitution back then

This is what I've been saying. This is not a shooting in a movie theater or mall; This was twenty six and seven year old school kids brutally murdered by a man with a assault rifle. We still talk about the Columbine shooting years later, and we'll talk about this shooting too ten years from now.

The NRA needs to be on the front line on gun safety coming up with ideas - not telling us that more guns is the solution. The NRA should be moving forward with a massive campaign to prevent firearms from getting into the hands of mentally ill people and they aren't doing this.

I thought of a brilliant plan...

instead of banning guns or making "laws" that will piss of gun owners, what about policing current policies?

meaning... currently as a gun owner you are registered in "the system" and police know when they pull you over if you own a gun or not. however, when you commit a crime, you don't need to give your guns up... but if you commit a crime (depending on the crime and state), then you can't buy a new one.

therefore, if rights were policed based upon your actions there could be more control. as well, having a gun without a permit should yield hefty fines and prison time. raise the fines, then you can pay people to police the problem. if you cant pay the fine, you go to jail.

as well for ammo, you can ONLY buy ammo with a permit (your gun permit i mean). this is how a good number of gun related problems start, I know this because when I was in 7th grade, some kid brought a gun into school and admitted that his friends brother bought him the ammo.

In order to buy ammo, you MUST own a gun and you can only buy ammo for that type of gun you own. want to give bullets as a gift? then you can buy a gift card to the store.

on a bit more "touchy" subject, if you have children in your house or anyone with mental illness, it is your duty to project your firearms. otherwise if you don't YOU go to jail. Imagine how many parents would buy safes and hide the shit out of their guns if they knew that if their kid took their gun to school, they would sit in jail.

Threats are what keep people in line :2 cents:

I'm all for background checks on private party sales, that should have been a law a long time ago.

But that's about it.

Yeah so far most of Obama's executive orders have been race based, keeping money from other countries or creating new advisory committee's.

After the patriot act was passed and then extended twice by Obama, here are a few things we have already lost

* FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation.

* FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.

* FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

* FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

* RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.


nope I don't see us losing more rights <sarcasm>

Didn't your people elect Hitler?

read this very carefully: the only way to stop people with mental illness from getting guns is to violate their constitutional right to privacy. once your start segregating people on genetics and 'qualified mental health' where does it end?

Though, I cannot condone a mentally ill person carrying a firearm, I will defend to the death his right to do so.

Alex Jones :1orglaugh

I'm fine with going a bit further really. Background checks need to be so much more than just looking for a felony - we need to be looking for mental health issues and anger issues. A background check should include a visit to the doctor to check for mental health issues and a phone call the local police department to see if person has been arrested but not charged for assault or spousal abuse - at the very least.

This has little to do with gun control. We need to ID people with mental health and or anger issues, period.
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To the best of my knowledge, it's already illegal for people with a diagnosed mental illness to own firearms. It may be limited to certain extremes of mental illness... But I do know that's one of the restrictions placed on people upon diagnosis.

You are crack head.

Can you show me where in the US Constitution that it says we cannot declare someone mentally ill and restrict them? Because I'm pretty freaking sure that the local police can put a 48 hour psychiatric hold on people and lock them up without so much as a trial and I know people can be declared mentally insane.

We have the right to bear arms, it's in the Constitution, but yet there are lots and lots of restrictions on that? Felons, for example, cannot own firearms. Why can we not expand that to people who have mental health issues or anger issues?

I have a better idea.

Instead of gun control, let's just implement Children Control.

Everyone that wants to have children must have a psych eval, thorough background check of you and your entire family that will have contact with the child, financial eval and health checkup. If you don't meet certain criteria... Fuck you.

How ya like them apples?

If kids were brought up in a proper home, they wouldn't need guns. Problem solved.

Why do you make this out to be a Obama thing when it's really a Republican thing - Signed into law in 2001 by President Bush....

Molon labe

As a slave living under a tyranical government who has taken our guns this is how I sleep at night.
I have no cat door so I let my cat out and if she doesn't com back when I want to go to bed I just go to sleep with my front door ajar. so pussy cat can came come in during the night and jump on my bed, thats how fucked up it is living in a tyranical violent regime.. have fun with your freedom and guns, I dont even lock my door.

I like this list here. Probably the first I've read that wasn't emotion based and maintains logical thought.

wrong time for a civil war :2 cents:

You couldn't be more wrong. This isn't about poor parenting. This is about mental health. You can have a perfect childhood, and then on your twenty-first birthday hit your head in a car accident, and suddenly your mentally retarded.

since you asked....

The 9th amendment, actually, supported by the 4th amendment. Unless you are declaring mental illness to be a crime, of course.




(btw, I have no problem with people who have been declared mentally unfit to care for themselves in some kind of public procedure, being kept by the state, and denied the ability to have a gun, I'm just pointing out the places in the constitution that you asked about).





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:1orglaugh yeah nothing says winning over hearts and minds in the US by instituting eugenics..

brilliant..

bring this up again the moment people stop conceiving children and start buying them at Walmart in isle 47 right beside the assault rifles.

Just as this Gun Control isn't about mental health either. I don't know that you really understand what you are saying.

If someone has mental health issues... Do you really think a law is going to stop them from committing the crime of murder? If you think some law will stop them, I will eat my own socks, otherwise, please explain how a law will protect anyone from a criminally ill person.

No law can protect the innocent from criminals. You just can't do it. You can try to take guns away, but is it really the guns that are the problem? No, it's the children of some people. So I still stand by my Children Control initiative.

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Because the 9th amendment isn't as vague as possible, right?

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Where do you read "We cannot allow mentally ill people from owning fire arms due to perceived privacy rights". It also does not say any rights are unqualified or unfettered - meaning, there can in fact be restrictions.

Don't be silly. Several posters here on GFY have continuously posted that since they are able to get up, get in their used 1991 car and drive to the grocery store "freely"...then we haven' lost ANY rights and we are FREE!

All that other stuff is just dumb.

Or ask anybody that lives in Eastern Europe. They will tell you that you don't know what losing your freedom is.

We just have to keep giving the Federal Govt. MORE money and MORE power! :)
Just like those stupid gun owners don't "need" assault weapons...we really don't "need" all those freedoms and rights!

</stupid post by me pointing out in a sarcastic way that YEP Obama is doing everything that a real freedom loving "liberal" is against>

Yearly mental health evaluation for all gun owners.

Stiff penalties if your gun is lost/stolen and used to commit a crime.