All you thumb TGPers are just not thinking, are you????
 

SOO many thumb tgpers have iced me about this 2257 going into effect tomorrow. Most have said they are only using non-expicit thumbs from now on. I for one do not see how that is really going to help you. Imagine a DOJ agent over your shoulder while you both are looking at your thumb TGP. He points out a thumb of a face pic of a cute little blonde. You say "that thumb is not sexually expicit". DOJ says "Prove it did not come from a bigger picture that was sexually explicit". Think about this real hard. You are going to have to do all the thumb cropping yourself and have every thumb matched up to the big pic it came from.

I am not a attorney this is just my personal opinion.

Everyone should talk to a lawyer.

Thats sounds just as hard as keeping proper docs.

it will be hard for sure for the fact that the smaller image didn't come from a larger explicit image

most don't realize this little part of the law

the thumb can NOT have come from a larger explicit image

Agreed. Better yet hire a attorney and put some funds into his trust account just in case

Come on Choker. You're just too paranoid.

LOL, am I?. These regs basically put us in the situation where we are guilty until we can prove otherwise. You think the inspection is going to go any differently? You think a inspecter is going to say "Well I can't prove you did not make that from a hardcore pic so let's just forget that" ?

actually it's him who needs to prove that the image DID came from a sexually explicit image.

If you have the "source" image from the affiliate that you cropped, how can you prove the "source" image you have from an affiliate is not just another crop of a larger source image?

hummmm.....

it's innocent until proven guilty
not the other way around. :2 cents:

they love smart asses like you in prison :winkwink:

the smart one's will change from thumbs to descriptions.

There won't be any inspections. That's what I believe.

Have you taken down ALL banners you have? Even if it shows a girls face only?

Not true.

I guess you don't know MJ.

THAT right there is the biggest constitutional problem with this law.
It requires us to prove ourselves innocent rather than requiring the DOJ to prove us guilty.

BTW Choker, if you have 10 minutes today I'd like to chat with you.
ICQ 78465690 or email me a phone number lenny at projectrevenue.com

I fully understand what choker is pointing out, only thing I'm not 100% about is what about other pics in the same gallery that are sexually explicit?

I don't see how they can hold you accountable for other pics in the gallery if you are not hosting them. In my mind it's along the same lines as "text" links being fully compliant.

So what are the general thoughts on using non explicit thumbs to link to a explicit gallery? The lawyer I talked to seems to think this is ok, but it never hurts to hear other opinions, especially being this is a untested law.

I was thinking the same thing myself.

Yes I have actually. I still have thumb tgps but al lthe thumbs are my own going to my own galleries which are all complient.

Changing mine to text today. This shit sucks ass.

Damn, that's hot. Congrats for that.

But I couldn't care less really. I don't have to be 2257 complaint.

:thumbsup

Well that's the way it is SUPPOSED to be, have you read the new regs? Seems to me we have to prove the model is over 18, not the DOJ has to prove she is under 18.

Good point man. These regs create so many loopholes NOT in our favor.

According to my attorney any thumb on a thumb TGP/MGP would indeed have to be cropped from an original image that is not sexually explicit. However, other images on the gallery that it links to CAN be explicit, as there are no laws prohibiting sexually explicit content.

As for matching thumbs to original images.. you wouldn't have to crop the thumbs yourself, trading scripts keep logs of which thumbs link to which galleries, it won't be difficult to find the image on the gallery that the thumb was created from.

I can't wait til this shit blows over. Its fucking wrong and there is no way everyone is going to have all their pages clean by midnight? Gimme a fucking break. I know some of us are more at risk than others, but are they going to arrest thousands of webmasters over the weekend? yeah right.

I guess we will see what happens, but I think they already have their targets planned out before this violation of our rights is struck down. I'm glad I'm not a "big player" right now, that's for sure.

I think you're a little paraniod dude, the TGP owner has to be hosting/producing/redistributing/bla bla bla the explicit content.

Having a softcore thumb cropped from a hardcore image is the same as linking a text description to a hardcore image.

while i agree with you that they have their targets already, i don't agree that the targets are 'big players'. the goal is to get inspections and arrests on record. small guys who can't afford the big name lawyers in this industry will plea instead of fight the case in court. they know that the big guys have lawyered up already, plus inspections on large companies would take time. they want volume and headlines.

Yep that's pretty much what mine told me too.

So take note sponsors give us some non sexually explicit images in the hardcore galleries, so we have something to work with.

I'm not paranoid about this aspect of compliance. I am jsut throwing out some food for thought. However .....

You are wrong sir. The new regs specifically address this issue.

Dont thumbs usually come from the gallery the thumb links too? If thats the case than the gallery the thumb is linking to will show the none explicit picture wont it?

The Bush Administration is setting up a special place for us all.

GITMO2.

the government has one thing on their mind, $$$

There is no reason to go after a small guy/affiliate webmaster, I will be very surprised if they do. Of course they want headlines. And if they just want to make an example of someone, again it won't be some small time webmaster over some affiliate content. They'll go to the source of it most likely.

well i hope we're BOTH wrong and nobody is ever inspected. actually, to be honest i don't think there's anything wrong with asking secondary producers to hold records. what i have a MAJOR problem with is unannounced unwarranted searches. fuck, the IRS doesn't do unannounced audits, do they? they schedule an audit and that's that. you get your shit together and do it. there's no fucking reason they should DICTATE your hours of operation and be able to come into your home or business without a warrant.

if they want to schedule an inspection, fine. secondary producers would then have a set time to get the documents (if they don't have them already) and prepare for an audit. i mean, what the fuck has happened to this country?

Bush

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I'm going all text by tonight

I guess I better read it again... for the sixth time.

If you are not text at this point you are fucked :evil-laug

hit me up :thumbsup

Where is anyone getting the idea that these guys are just going to show up at the door? Not the way they do things - and the reason for the posting of hours of biz is so that they can schedule inspections. The only type of person they just "show-up" on would be someone they already had in their scopes a long time ago - and wouldnt be little thumb tgp owners :)

"Advance notice of record
inspections shall not be given."

shall = will

"Advance notice of record
inspections will not be given."