IBill is ***CARDING*** old members databases..!

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  • The Duck
    Adult Content Provider
    • May 2005
    • 18243

    #1

    IBill is ***CARDING*** old members databases..!

    I am almost too angry to even type at this point, but wanted to put a warning out for any here who may have been effected by the iBill/Etelerape "transfer" scam... while we never signed a contract w/ the so-called processor Etelerape, they began attempting to bill our iBill database of old rebills immediately on april 3rd. i logged into their admin system that day using the username and password that iBill so kindly provided and cancelled every user listed, and periodically did this until the end of april to leave no customer in rebillable status... at no time did i ever fill in their "contract".

    Well, today i received an extremely irate email from a past customer wondering why he was suddenly being billed again after cancelling his subscription months ago... totally confused, i log into the Etelegate admin system and search for this persons email address... lo and behold, i couldn't believe my eyes.

    According to their transaction statements, this old customer had ***SUBSCRIBED AGAIN A WEEK AGO, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NEVER LINKED TO THE ****ING ETELERAPE JOIN PAGES!!!!!!

    As i search both forward and back through their seedy records, i find one after another of my old subscribers that were in my rebill database have been signed back up for service, one after another... amazing considering the lack of join page links.

    In true *CARDER* fashion, Etelerape is actually going through the signup process each time using a multitude of proxy relays, picked depending on the locale indicated in my old customer database... i run a script called 'PWsentry' that compares and logs all username logins along w/ time and IP address, as well as date and time of all logins. sure enough, each of these "new users" of mine have only visited my protected members area ONE TIME EACH, ON THE DAY THEY SOMEHOW SIGNED UP AGAIN. by searching through the IP addresses i found that one of three relays would be used for any signup in Germany, one of four in Australia, and on and on... i am literally on the ground here, this is just over the top.

    When the iBill/Etelerape switchover took place we wanted nothing to do w/ them, even for old rebills, but had already written off the 1 month period as unavoidable for current rebilling members... i guess they couldn't keep their hands to themselves once the databases reached their thieving hands.

    I am SO angry i can barely see straight but know that some other victims might have not noticed this sort of thing has been going on either as i did, so wanted to post my ire here for anyone who might need to run over to their admin and check their transaction lists... especially if you run any sort of gateway scripts (PWsentry, Pennywise, Proxypass, etc.), the single entry for each new "sale" is the real clincher.

    I am heading back to a 12 pack of beer as my blood pressure is seriously out of control at this point and i need to go sink into a languid pool of hatred for a bit. amazing how the creditcard companies and acquiring banks have made life so hard for many of us adult webmasters over the last few years, and yet blatant MUGGING by an outfit like iBill/Etelerape seems to steal w/out worry or consequence from behind their lawyers and publicly traded stock symbols... ****ing unreal..

    :~
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  • chupachups
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2002
    • 6576

    #2
    Jesus, these guys are just too much. And I thought I had seen everything regarding shady processors.....bah

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    • xclusive
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      • Apr 2004
      • 35218

      #3
      wow those fuckers just don't know when to quit

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      • ninavain
        So Fucking Banned
        • Jan 2004
        • 6268

        #4
        Oh-no..that's not good

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        • MickeyG
          Confirmed User
          • May 2004
          • 4134

          #5
          they won't stop until someones in jail.

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          • Paul Markham
            Too old to care
            • Jun 2001
            • 52942

            #6
            The last thing you need to do is be drinking. Because this could hurt you big time.

            Get in touch with the police, maybe even FBI, lawyer and most importantly VISA and MASTERCARD. Because if you do not you could find a clause somewhere that puts you in the shit over this.

            Get it stopped before you get a drink.



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            • Basic_man
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              • Oct 2003
              • 27360

              #7
              HOLY SCAM!! This shit is gonna make some serious noise! I'm out!
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              • crockett
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                • May 2003
                • 76818

                #8
                I would certainly contact the FBI's cyber crimes division.. You could hold the keys to sinking those scamming fucks ship.
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                • gooddomains
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                  • Jul 2003
                  • 10127

                  #9
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                  • Screaming
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                    • Feb 2004
                    • 18972

                    #10
                    wow that is crazy shit man

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                    • tradermcduck
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                      • Apr 2001
                      • 2362

                      #11
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                      • Dirty F
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                        • Jul 2001
                        • 59204

                        #12
                        Ibill is a top notch, stand up company.

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                        • Juilan
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                          • Feb 2004
                          • 15141

                          #13
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                          • blackfeet
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                            • Jun 2003
                            • 589

                            #14
                            i only deal with ccbill.

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                            • BlingDaddy
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Juilan
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                              • Phil
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                                • Jan 2004
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                                #16
                                I'm glad I removed them even from backup option... I did like Andrew and his quickness if I needed anything
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                                • TheLegacy
                                  SEO & GEO Connoisseur
                                  • Apr 2003
                                  • 18078

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                  The last thing you need to do is be drinking. Because this could hurt you big time.

                                  Get in touch with the police, maybe even FBI, lawyer and most importantly VISA and MASTERCARD. Because if you do not you could find a clause somewhere that puts you in the shit over this.

                                  Get it stopped before you get a drink.

                                  absolutely the best advice - why sit around and post on a board when I would be on the phone with every law enforcement screaming fraud !!

                                  CC companies would shut down their privileges and the FBI etc would be all over them... why would anyone not do this is beyond me

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                                  • Dagwolf
                                    President of Canada
                                    • Sep 2003
                                    • 23141

                                    #18
                                    This is beyond low. Report those fuckers!
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                                    • BoyAlley
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                                      • Nov 2004
                                      • 19714

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Franck
                                      Ibill is a top notch, stand up company.

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                                      • ~Ray
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                                        #20
                                        blah blah blah.. and then you do nothing but drink.
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                                        • Fetish
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                                          • Mar 2005
                                          • 823

                                          #21
                                          Another reason I do not use third party processing anymore. having a merchant account is the only way to go. My database, my customers.

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                                          • Screaming
                                            I can change this!!!!!
                                            • Feb 2004
                                            • 18972

                                            #22
                                            wow.. amazing..

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                                            • Manowar
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                                              • Dec 2003
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                                              #23
                                              uH oh!!!!!

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                                              • HairToStay
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                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 1521

                                                #24
                                                I'm waiting for someone else to confirm this.
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                                                • marketsmart
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                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                  • 20419

                                                  #25
                                                  If this is true, it's CC fraud plain and simple. Call the FBI, Visa, and MC...

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                                                  • quantum-x
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                                                    #26
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                                                    • martinsc
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                                                      • Jun 2005
                                                      • 27047

                                                      #27
                                                      is that for real??????
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                                                      • donnie
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                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                        • 1630

                                                        #28
                                                        kandah - are you crazy???

                                                        Why are you posting somebody else's stories all the time???

                                                        That shit DID NOT happent to you!!

                                                        That was posted on some other board. I will find the link if you just give me couple of minutes.

                                                        WHY are you doing this man????
                                                        Last edited by donnie; 05-22-2006, 09:36 AM.

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                                                        • donnie
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                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                          • 1630

                                                          #29
                                                          It happened to this guy and not to you:

                                                          http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...hreadid=512399

                                                          If you want to post stories like this, at least say it didn't happen to you.

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                                                          • JD
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                                                            • Sep 2003
                                                            • 22651

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by donnie
                                                            kandah - are you crazy???

                                                            Why are you posting somebody else's stories all the time???

                                                            That shit DID NOT happent to you!!

                                                            That was posted on some other board. I will find the link if you just give me couple of minutes.

                                                            WHY are you doing this man????
                                                            he craves the attention maybe?

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                                                            • hezochiah
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                                                              • May 2006
                                                              • 807

                                                              #31
                                                              It must be really fuckin boring in Sweden or you're just a dumbass.

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                                                              • Zarathustra
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                                                                • Oct 2005
                                                                • 1094

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by donnie
                                                                kandah - are you crazy???

                                                                Why are you posting somebody else's stories all the time???

                                                                That shit DID NOT happent to you!!

                                                                That was posted on some other board. I will find the link if you just give me couple of minutes.

                                                                WHY are you doing this man????

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                                                                • jimthefiend
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                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                  • 18889

                                                                  #33
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                                                                  • shiloh451
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                                                                    • Mar 2006
                                                                    • 146

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by donnie
                                                                    kandah - are you crazy???

                                                                    Why are you posting somebody else's stories all the time???

                                                                    That shit DID NOT happent to you!!

                                                                    That was posted on some other board. I will find the link if you just give me couple of minutes.

                                                                    WHY are you doing this man????
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                                                                    • HairToStay
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                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                      • 1521

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by donnie
                                                                      It happened to this guy and not to you:

                                                                      http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...hreadid=512399

                                                                      If you want to post stories like this, at least say it didn't happen to you.
                                                                      And now you see why I asked for someone else to confirm this. I figured this story happened to him just like nearly being shot, being caught at the airport with a Fleshlight, etc etc etc
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                                                                      • donnie
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                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                        • 1630

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by HairToStay
                                                                        And now you see why I asked for someone else to confirm this. I figured this story happened to him just like nearly being shot, being caught at the airport with a Fleshlight, etc etc etc
                                                                        I don't really care about "his" stories but this is kind of serious beacuse I belive the other guy (the real guy) made some kind of mistake. I don't belive IBILL did anything this time. But I am not 100% sure about this. Anyway, when you post something like this and you clame it "happened today", it could make alot of people confused...

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                                                                        • The Duck
                                                                          Adult Content Provider
                                                                          • May 2005
                                                                          • 18243

                                                                          #37
                                                                          strike 2...


                                                                          fuck ibill anyway.
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                                                                          • breaker
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                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                            • 652

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Franck
                                                                            Ibill is a top notch, stand up company.
                                                                            Must be a glitch, They always pay on time.
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                                                                            • rowan
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                                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                                              • 17393

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Bloody hell, I was just about to give props for kandah actually posting something useful and biz related for once... l guess I was wrong to ever be thinking like that.

                                                                              kandah, how the fuck do you make any sales when you have a board persona like this? You sir, suck.

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                                                                              • Webby
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                • 14956

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Mmmm.. The "words" from the instigator of this thread come from a post by frameRelay at WebHostingTalk.

                                                                                Despite that - it's another warning not to trust a processor with card numbers - amazing shit!
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                                                                                • SilentKnight
                                                                                  Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                                                  • Oct 2005
                                                                                  • 24818

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Looks like Xbiz ran with the story - quoting Kandah's repost of someone else's post.

                                                                                  http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=15089 (dated May 22nd/06)

                                                                                  "A recent post on GFY.com accused iBill of billing canceled accounts after the company outsourced its billing processing to Arizona-based Etelegate.com.

                                                                                  In a post titled hahaha8220;IBill is hahaha8216;carding old membershahaha8217; databases,hahaha8221; Kandah warned webmasters that Etelegate was attempting to bill old rebills from the iBill database. A similar post from Adonis warned of the same practice."


                                                                                  This could get REAL interesting...
                                                                                  Last edited by SilentKnight; 05-22-2006, 10:50 PM.

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                                                                                  • Xplicit
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • May 2003
                                                                                    • 3558

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    I have a feeling ibill finally crossed the line far enough to make law enforcement take action.

                                                                                    People will be going to jail, watch.

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                                                                                    • hezochiah
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • May 2006
                                                                                      • 807

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                                                                      Looks like Xbiz ran with the story - quoting Kandah's repost of someone else's post.

                                                                                      http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=15089 (dated May 22nd/06)

                                                                                      "A recent post on GFY.com accused iBill of billing canceled accounts after the company outsourced its billing processing to Arizona-based Etelegate.com.

                                                                                      In a post titled hahaha8220;IBill is hahaha8216;carding old membershahaha8217; databases,hahaha8221; Kandah warned webmasters that Etelegate was attempting to bill old rebills from the iBill database. A similar post from Adonis warned of the same practice."


                                                                                      This could get REAL interesting...
                                                                                      George Lucas gonna sue somebody...

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                                                                                      • nofx
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                        • 16826

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                                                                        Looks like Xbiz ran with the story - quoting Kandah's repost of someone else's post.

                                                                                        http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=15089 (dated May 22nd/06)

                                                                                        "A recent post on GFY.com accused iBill of billing canceled accounts after the company outsourced its billing processing to Arizona-based Etelegate.com.

                                                                                        In a post titled hahaha8220;IBill is hahaha8216;carding old membershahaha8217; databases,hahaha8221; Kandah warned webmasters that Etelegate was attempting to bill old rebills from the iBill database. A similar post from Adonis warned of the same practice."


                                                                                        This could get REAL interesting...
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                                                                                        • Webby
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                          • 14956

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                                                                          Looks like Xbiz ran with the story - quoting Kandah's repost of someone else's post.

                                                                                          http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=15089 (dated May 22nd/06)

                                                                                          "A recent post on GFY.com accused iBill of billing canceled accounts after the company outsourced its billing processing to Arizona-based Etelegate.com.

                                                                                          In a post titled hahaha8220;IBill is hahaha8216;carding old membershahaha8217; databases,hahaha8221; Kandah warned webmasters that Etelegate was attempting to bill old rebills from the iBill database. A similar post from Adonis warned of the same practice."


                                                                                          This could get REAL interesting...

                                                                                          So Kandah is posting frameRelay's post and it is now an article in Xbiz as "news" - that's too funny!

                                                                                          BTW... It would be interesting to know how the hell Etelegate became an "Arizona-based" processor, who currently owns and funds them, where exactly they are in Arizona - and why are they using a dissolved company name and a maildrop in the UK.
                                                                                          XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                          • Centurion
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                                                            • 6033

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            I think once Ibill completes its merger with Globill, that it should be on pretty solid foundation and finally be able to pay all of it's bills, etc etc










































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                                                                                            • milambur
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                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                              • 1327

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by kandah
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                                                                                              • HairToStay
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                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                • 1521

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                I began taking everything he said with a grain of salt when AaronM outed him for selling content that isn't 2257 compliant.
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                                                                                                • darksoul
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                                                                                                  • Apr 2002
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  muhaha, ban this stupid fuck.
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                                                                                                  • John69
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                                                                                                    • Sep 2005
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    funny thread, and not so funny.

                                                                                                    they are doing this mad rebilling but not paying wires.
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