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Fap 10-21-2007 10:40 PM

Tv-Links Raided, Operator Arrested
 
"TV Links, a Web site that provided links to hundreds of movies, documentaries, TV shows and cartoons hosted on streaming media sites such as Google Video and YouTube, has been raided by UK authorities. The site's operator was also arrested, The Guardian reports. Even though the site has not hosted any pirated content, it was a thorn in the side of movie and TV studios, thanks to having links to newest movies and TV shows. As the largest site of its kind, it showcased the power of user-driven Internet, with the site's visitors helping to keep links to content constantly updated."

..i never thought you could get in trouble for linking.. i thought these sites were safe from the law.

also worth a read:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technolo..._linking_.html

martinsc 10-21-2007 10:41 PM

one down 25496486 more to go....

Fap 10-21-2007 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by martinsc (Post 13268069)
one down 25496486 more to go....

i have one of these sites... i guess its time to sell heh

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-21-2007 10:50 PM

so they nail him, but don't go after google and the other sites who actually hosted the videos that he linked to, hmmmm funny

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-21-2007 11:12 PM

the information age, the thought police and you...

aico 10-21-2007 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaysin (Post 13268091)
so they nail him, but don't go after google and the other sites who actually hosted the videos that he linked to, hmmmm funny

I believe Google and YouTube have an immunity agreement with the studios etc as long as they have a filtering system in place and are activing trying to remove such content.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-21-2007 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by aico (Post 13268173)
I believe Google and YouTube have an immunity agreement with the studios etc as long as they have a filtering system in place and are activing trying to remove such content.

so then why did this guy get nailed for using videos posted on their services?

aico 10-21-2007 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaysin (Post 13268182)
so then why did this guy get nailed for using videos posted on their services?

no idea, I just know that Google and YouTube won't get nailed.

Mutt 10-21-2007 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico (Post 13268185)
no idea, I just know that Google and YouTube won't get nailed.

there's a billion dollar lawsuit by Viacom against YouTube and Google.

aico 10-21-2007 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 13268205)
there's a billion dollar lawsuit by Viacom against YouTube and Google.

This is a new agreement I believe that just was in the news last week, when they unveiled their new filtering system.

Fap 10-21-2007 11:43 PM

i always thought they weren't responsible if they didnt host.. sucks for that guy..

LiveDose 10-21-2007 11:51 PM

lol, my sister was just telling me about this site...

Fap 10-22-2007 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveDose (Post 13268256)
lol, my sister was just telling me about this site...

looks like she told you a little too late

Zuss 10-22-2007 02:33 AM

I loved that site...and if someone is going to me for that: here's a "shut up hypocrite." in advance.

Zuss 10-22-2007 02:34 AM

bash ...bashbashbashbashbash

Malicious Biz 10-22-2007 02:35 AM

Why is it everyone is refering to what the guy was doing as "linking" to videos when he was clearly "embedding" the videos.

Antonio 10-22-2007 02:44 AM

I have a site that links to street fight videos, should I start shoping aaround for the best lube?

After Shock Media 10-22-2007 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 13268536)
I have a site that links to street fight videos, should I start shoping aaround for the best lube?

link to?

Or you embedding and or iframing them?

12clicks 10-22-2007 03:20 AM

damn that Ashcroft!

who 10-22-2007 03:24 AM

It's still not breaking any laws, so how could they arrest him?

Stephen McTowelie 10-22-2007 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banthis (Post 13268067)
"..i never thought you could get in trouble for linking.. i thought these sites were safe from the law.
also worth a read:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technolo..._linking_.html

I went to the link you put up and had a poke around and found this
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ernet.newmedia

They have links to lots of free tv etc. so is it ok to link but not ok to embed links, i cant see the police coming round to arrest the staff at the guardian for doing almost the same thing.
They need to stop going after the little guys all the time if the well known companies are flaunting the law then why should your average surfer care about copyright ?
I know this is simplifying things a bit but you get my point ?
Ah well just glad i am not in content :2 cents:

quantum-x 10-22-2007 03:55 AM

it's total horse shit

quantum-x 10-22-2007 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malicious Biz (Post 13268524)
Why is it everyone is refering to what the guy was doing as "linking" to videos when he was clearly "embedding" the videos.

That he didn't host or upload.

rowan 10-22-2007 05:33 AM

Courts probably won't care whether a video is hosted locally or externally - if it shows on the page then it's "part" of the site.

If external inline content was recognised as such then all USA webmasters could link hotten their explicit images to a server located outside of the USA...

AGS-17 10-22-2007 05:42 AM

Why he was arested??

AGS-17 10-22-2007 05:43 AM

I don't understand..

AGS-17 10-22-2007 05:43 AM

Why arested??

Antonio 10-22-2007 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 13268545)
link to?

Or you embedding and or iframing them?

link to, only 2-3 embedded

directfiesta 10-22-2007 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGS-17 (Post 13268889)
Why arested??

because he is a defenless individual ...

PPjohn 10-22-2007 06:26 AM

good news

RawAlex 10-22-2007 06:34 AM

Embedded links are effectively publishing. If an end user could not tell that the content wasn't on the site, it would be part of the site.

Plus you have to consider the commercialization step: If the guy embeds videos and surrounds the content with tons of ads and such, he is then intentionally stealing from others to profit from it. Without the videos (even if he doesn't host them) he would have no traffic and therefore would have no business. He needs stolen or misused content to be able to be profitable.

Good move.

evildick 10-22-2007 07:38 AM

Wow, that kinda blows. I have one site where I embed music videos from youtube. Guess that idea has gone down the shitter.

Sad thing is, when I check the upload date on youtube, the videos have been hosted there for years with no attempt by anyone to remove them.

ModelPerfect 10-22-2007 07:41 AM

damn that sucks.

evildick 10-22-2007 07:51 AM

After reading a bunch of news articles about it, it sounds like the pirated movies were what drew the attention. Pretty stupid posting handycam movies of stuff that is still in the theaters.

quantum-x 10-22-2007 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 13269032)
Embedded links are effectively publishing. If an end user could not tell that the content wasn't on the site, it would be part of the site.

Plus you have to consider the commercialization step: If the guy embeds videos and surrounds the content with tons of ads and such, he is then intentionally stealing from others to profit from it. Without the videos (even if he doesn't host them) he would have no traffic and therefore would have no business. He needs stolen or misused content to be able to be profitable.

Good move.

By that same useless logic, bloggers who embed videos should be arrested.
By that same useless logic, news sites that republish news with adverts should be arrested.

Not only that, the videos opened in a new window and CLEARLY stated that they were hosted somewhere else: Video From : Google.com [click for the original link]

quantum-x 10-22-2007 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evildick (Post 13269301)
After reading a bunch of news articles about it, it sounds like the pirated movies were what drew the attention. Pretty stupid posting handycam movies of stuff that is still in the theaters.

Movies weren't the attraction: it was the TV episodes from shit that was no longer aired, generally. Had a huge back catalogue.

Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-22-2007 08:13 AM

should have hosted it from Sweden! (or where ever the pirates hideout is) :1orglaugh

SmokeyTheBear 10-22-2007 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 13269032)
Embedded links are effectively publishing. If an end user could not tell that the content wasn't on the site, it would be part of the site.

Plus you have to consider the commercialization step: If the guy embeds videos and surrounds the content with tons of ads and such, he is then intentionally stealing from others to profit from it. Without the videos (even if he doesn't host them) he would have no traffic and therefore would have no business. He needs stolen or misused content to be able to be profitable.

Good move.

there is nothing in the youtube tos that says you cannot display ads on the pages you embed videos.

basically what your saying is that in order to use the videos youtube offers people to embed on their site , the consumer must personally verify the video is not copyright protected. seeing as how there is no way for a consumer to do this i would find this very strange

Jace 10-22-2007 12:13 PM

http://www.ovguide.com/

Fap 10-22-2007 09:17 PM

Oh well... if anyone wants to buy a site like this hit me up :winkwink:


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