I am getting so TIRED of hearing Adapt or Die around here regarding....
 

Tubes. This is a Cop-Out saying. If you don't join the other thieves by building your own tube sites, you will not die, nor go out of business.

If torrent sites are giving away free Mainstream movies, does this mean Michael Bay should build his own Torrent site to adapt? Exactly.

Instead of a Tube Site, we built a Cams Site, It converts great, We pay out a shit load of money to affiliates, and at the end of the day. We are proud. As I mentioned last week on Mother's Day, we broke our Sales Record and every day keeps on getting better. There is still a lot of money to be made in this business, even without owing your own tube.

There are lots of companies here that don't have tube sites that do just fine. We are one of them. I'm not going to stoop that low and follow the path everyone used to fuck up our own industry. You don't need a tube site to survive. I rather make less money in this business and have pride.

Anyways, thought I would share.

For those of you that don't have a Tube Site. Congrats!!!

Adapt or Die!

I break my silence to say that this guy is right
Fuck you niggas
You all today is sellouts with no guts, balls or brains

Sounds like someone isn't adapting very well.

I think what you did is adapt or die....

Amen brother.

Morals over money?..impossible

you do realize the building a site that will convert with the new traffic source is a form of adaption

Morals in this industry ... hahahah ... many of the big brograms around today were built on spam or other dodgy bullshit. I always laugh when morals are hinted at on here.

You know, a lack of money will not kill you.

Here are some things that could kill you, for example:
1 Smoking cigarettes / bad drugs
2 No food for longer than 50 days or poisonous food

:2 cents:

was about to say the same :thumbsup

I didn't adapt in 2000 and I died! again I didn't adapt in 2004 and died again! I didn't adapt 2008 and guess what?

gideon you do realize that technically there is no "new traffic source" The traffic at torrent sites and illegit tube sites is merely the "old" traffic source that have found a place to get everything for free. And cam sites were the way to make something off people who have already gotten everything for free.

Reality is, a cam site monetizes all kinds of traffic. I do great with cam sites on my tgps. I used to do a lot better with paysites by far.

Problem is...when there is no more new porn being produced because you can't sell it anymore...then where would all the traffic come from then?

Not saying that is happening YET. I'm just saying that is the logical end result if piracy goes unchecked. Eventually there just wouldn't be enough sales to justify production.

And let's face it...no matter what anybody does or says: The thing that draws ALL that traffic is good ol' PORN :)

Adapt or die doesn't mean you need to make an illegal tube.

Who's drinking tonight?

Bingo! Yahtzee!

Exactly.

And btw. this industry isnt fucked because of tubes. Its because of a lack of people going after SITES that spread illegal full length movies.

Nobody cares to REALLY do something about it, people rather complain on message boards.:2 cents:

Kind of a flawed logic.

Few things to note. Not all tube sites have stolen content. Not all tube sites have full length videos, some have 2 minute or less video clips.

Not everyone with a picture and video type membership site can go start their own cam site. the "solution" wont work for everyone.

Tube sites don't affect live cam sales and if anything you can use a tube site to upsell for cams.

torrents are way bigger then porn
torrent distribute more tv shows then broadcast networks

and more music (by 20 fold) then itunes

just because your too clueless to see how to get your piece of that traffic doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

if you understood how to do live interaction correctly they would convert better.

robbie this dooms day bullshit has been said over and over again in the past

never been true then, not true now.


actually it tv shows

49% of all torrent traffic is tv shows

I dont have tube site too and still making good money.

Yeah. Cool.

Psst... how many tube sites do you run? :winkwink:

I never went the way of the tube sites :)

text is my main weapon and I sure as hell don't need a tube site to get shit traffic to my sites.

Nice cam spam. :)

Cam site is a form of a pay site isnt it? Tube are free sites, why do you compare that?

well done on the record sales!

I'm not complaining and I'm not explaining.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Wrong, Sorry to say. Even if we didn't have our new Cam Site we would still survive with ease. We just love to work and be creative.

Our AVS's CyberAge and UGAS still do pretty darn good because webmasters have some good niches on there.

If you read my post correctly, I said I'm tired of hearing Adapt or Die regarding Tubes. Not the industry. Big Difference. You must have missed that. But it was late so I understand. :2 cents:

Tube sites won't kill your cam site, but Myfreecams model just might. It monetizes well without giving everything away.

There were no tubes in 2000, I am referring to tube sites, nothing else here if read correctly.

You're already dead! Have fun!

Dave, can you share what kind of money the top 10 guys at CyberAge are bringing in per month? What % is CyberAge keeping these days? Is it about 40%?

This is somewhat true, but how many 2 minute or less video tubes do you know of? Not that many right?

I also agree not everyone could start their own cam site, we have the man power and infrastructure and it was on our long waited To-Do list.

Oh I took it that way when you said "Instead of a Tube Site, we built a Cams Site" - I took that as your version of adapting.

Being that you have an AVS, you would kinda be the king of adapt or die, wouldn't you?

Why don't you stop by our offices, I'll show you dead. You are brainwashed, that's all. You read into everything.

Think outside of the box, you need to be more positive and have more of a drive. Positive things happen to positive thinkers.

You know, adapt could also be... blanket lawsuit the Tubes...

Don't take it as literally as adapting to be a Tube based model... or adapt to play nicely with them...

Sorry, as you can see, grammar was not my favorite subject.

I agree about adapting to everything else, I was referring to every time there is a thread about tubes, the saying adapt or die would appear regarding you should own a tube.

We are not only AVS, Never been only AVS. We have hundreds of other things that go on in our offices since late 90'. CyberAge has been my baby since day one, so It's been my front as our Main Business. It's always been very good to us and our affiliates.

Can't say how much the top dawgs are making, but CyberAge keeps a good 20%-30% after all the bonuses are paid out.

I see you are adapting perfectly, nice :thumbsup