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Jay-Rock 12-19-2010 02:38 PM

Webair hosting failed hard drive
 
I have been told this morning that my servers HD is being cloned and all of my sites are down. I am pretty nervous right now since my programmer did a ton of work off of my server in the past couple of months and its impossible to recover alot of stuff I have done the past 4 years. I am crossing my fingers since they tell me unfortunately I didnt have backups enabled. I am prepared for the worst but hopefully they can recover my data. This may be a huge loss for me if not recovered. I may have to start all over folks and that would be catastrophic for me.

candyflip 12-19-2010 02:41 PM

Not having backups is insane. I can't believe that people still manage to fuck up on such a necessary task.

Klen 12-19-2010 02:41 PM

I had failed HDD to on webair and they managed to recover data and to make it work enough time to copy them to new drive.Good luck.

baddog 12-19-2010 02:42 PM

The lesson to be learned, especially for someone in your situation, make backups. You can automate that so you do not even need to think about it.

Good luck, but either way, start doing backups. And don't just rely on your host's version either. $.02

Jay-Rock 12-19-2010 02:43 PM

I agree I was just about to upgrade my server since I just launched my site. I waited too long. I am an idiot.

react 12-19-2010 02:43 PM

Best of luck.. if the HDD spins its usually recoverable. Even if it doesn't spin there are options depending whether the failure is electrical or physical.

BVF 12-19-2010 02:43 PM

Those backups with webair get expensive with the more data you have...I was paying an extra 100 a month...But then I got an external hard drive....It feels MUCH better knowing that my life's work isn't on a company's server in the Phillipines.

munki 12-19-2010 02:44 PM

backup + redundancy + backup redundancy + redundant backup redundancy ftw

Jay-Rock 12-19-2010 02:44 PM

I have backups for all my content and webpages. Its the affilate program and blogs that will be fucked. Having to rebuild my affiliate program would be starting over.

candyflip 12-19-2010 02:45 PM

Yeah...that's gonna suck for sure.

Cyber Fucker 12-19-2010 02:48 PM

Sorry to hear that, but if you had backups not enabled then you should do backups by yourself, at least from time to time...

Chris 12-19-2010 02:52 PM

let this thread be a reminder to everyone to check if they have backups on their boxes

BIGTYMER 12-19-2010 02:53 PM

The cheapest way to do it is keep an offline backup at your house.

Cyandin 12-19-2010 03:04 PM

Jay,

I'm really sorry to hear you're in this predicament, and I surely hope the Webair techs can manage to recover your data.

However, aside from the obvious benefits of off-site backups, it is extremely important that any servers you have implement a RAID configuration, so that one disk dying never means immediate downtime. This is something they should have already suggested/setup for you, imho.

baddog 12-19-2010 03:04 PM

If it is critical and they can't get it, there are places that can get data off the deadest of drives.

SpicyM 12-19-2010 03:19 PM

Why dont you have RAID? Setup for drive mirroring and if one of them dies, the other one is ready with the same data.

SallyRand 12-19-2010 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 17784813)
I have been told this morning that my servers HD is being cloned and all of my sites are down. I am pretty nervous right now since my programmer did a ton of work off of my server in the past couple of months and its impossible to recover alot of stuff I have done the past 4 years. I am crossing my fingers since they tell me unfortunately I didnt have backups enabled. I am prepared for the worst but hopefully they can recover my data. This may be a huge loss for me if not recovered. I may have to start all over folks and that would be catastrophic for me.

Jeuss Christ, man, backup service with Webair is only like $5 a month!

WTF is wrong with you?

Agent 488 12-19-2010 03:32 PM

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st0ned 12-19-2010 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17784856)
If it is critical and they can't get it, there are places that can get data off the deadest of drives.

Not necessarily. :winkwink:

The drive you drove down to that one recovery place for me was a total failure, even after they spent over a month trying to pull the data off. I do appreciate you going out of your way for me though, that was not required on your part.

I learned the hard way that backups are the most important thing you can have when running an online business. I try to ensure that I have backups both on the hosts end, and my end.

The failed drive I had years ago cost me AT LEAST 100 websites. I was able to recover ZERO data and had no backups on my end. As a result, I had hundreds of sites drop that I was not able to bring back online. I was willing to pay the data recovery company the $3,000 or whatever it was, but even they were unsuccessful in pulling any data for me.

Needless to say it was the worse thing to happen to me since being in business, but also taught me one of my most important lessons.

Though I blamed the host for the longest time I have come to realize that HD failure is just something that happens and nobody is really to blame in most cases. Although using old drives increases your chance of this happening. Be smart, get backups, even if you have never had issues before.

:2 cents:

st0ned 12-19-2010 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17784890)
Jeuss Christ, man, backup service with Webair is only like $5 a month!

WTF is wrong with you?

Depending of course on how much data you need to backup. They don't keep a room full of free servers to backup terabytes of data for their customers at $5/month. I spend hundreds of dollars on backups each month, on top of my local backups.

SpicyM 12-19-2010 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17784890)
Jeuss Christ, man, backup service with Webair is only like $5 a month!

WTF is wrong with you?

No it isnt. They charge price per gig, so it depends on how much data you have.

I paid around $50 monthly and I dont have a lot of sites.

JustDaveXxx 12-19-2010 03:57 PM

Im not gonna chime in, because you already know.


I hate buying 2 drives for everything i store, but i keep hearing stories like this one, that reassures me on why i do it.


Hope things work out for you dude.

SallyRand 12-19-2010 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 17784881)
Why dont you have RAID? Setup for drive mirroring and if one of them dies, the other one is ready with the same data.

Yep, I have that too with Webair.

The Duck 12-19-2010 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17784890)
Jeuss Christ, man, backup service with Webair is only like $5 a month!

WTF is wrong with you?

$5 for the first gb then an additional $10 per gb if my memory serves me correct.

signupdamnit 12-19-2010 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17784823)
And don't just rely on your host's version either. $.02

Good advice. If you're not doing a full backup at least once a month somewhere other than with your host, you're crazy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Duck (Post 17784979)
$5 for the first gb then an additional $10 per gb if my memory serves me correct.

Highway robbery if that's the real rate but then again this is something most hosts charge too much for. It's been that way for as long as I can remember.

awxm 12-19-2010 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Duck (Post 17784979)
$5 for the first gb then an additional $10 per gb if my memory serves me correct.

It's $5 for the first 50gb then $0.50 per gig there after.

I believe that was recently changed and unless you bring it up you will continue to pay the old price.

TheDA 12-19-2010 05:02 PM

Sucks. Sorry to hear.

BVF 12-19-2010 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17784890)
Jeuss Christ, man, backup service with Webair is only like $5 a month!

WTF is wrong with you?

you don't know WTF you're talking about...Backup is priced per gig.

BVF 12-19-2010 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FruitPanda (Post 17785000)
It's $5 for the first 50gb then $0.50 per gig there after.

I believe that was recently changed and unless you bring it up you will continue to pay the old price.

Wrong again.

GAMEFINEST 12-19-2010 05:40 PM

that sucks bro

Jay-Rock 12-19-2010 06:28 PM

Webair contacted me to tell me Im fucked. I guess you get what you pay for with a hosting company like WEBAIR.

awxm 12-19-2010 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF (Post 17785090)
you don't know WTF you're talking about...Backup is priced per gig.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF (Post 17785094)
Wrong again.

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Vendzilla 12-19-2010 06:35 PM

Dude, that sucks

I put everything on a 2tb external now

awxm 12-19-2010 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 17785164)
Webair contacted me to tell me Im fucked. I guess you get what you pay for with a hosting company like WEBAIR.

Sorry to hear man :(

Ron Bennett 12-19-2010 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 17784881)
Why dont you have RAID? Setup for drive mirroring and if one of them dies, the other one is ready with the same data.

RAID is for intended for maintaining up-time / availability ... it is NOT for data backup.

Recovering data from RAID, even if it's a basic mirror setup, is no sure thing...

If the RAID controller (admittedly, they're much better these days) goes bad, both drives can be corrupted. Also, if the replacement drive is somewhat different / flaky, rebuilding the RAID may not go well - at best, it will just take a lot longer, but at worst, the good drive(s) could be corrupted too.

For those on a tight budget, an automated nightly backup to a spare drive on the server / local network is a far better approach than RAID. This is a common approach - while I'm not a big fan of it, it's light-years better than using RAID, which to reiterate, is not backup.

More ideal are the various managed backup services that many hosts offer - doing backups right takes effort so it will add some noticeable cost. Be sure that databases are backed up too - most hosts these days have a clue and do so by default, but best to verify to avoid nasty surprises later.

Ron

Spudstr 12-19-2010 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin (Post 17784855)
Jay,

I'm really sorry to hear you're in this predicament, and I surely hope the Webair techs can manage to recover your data.

However, aside from the obvious benefits of off-site backups, it is extremely important that any servers you have implement a RAID configuration, so that one disk dying never means immediate downtime. This is something they should have already suggested/setup for you, imho.

raid does not help file system corruption. Raid is not the god send, sure it helps but its not the fix all. I have seen way to many raid systems fail.

Agent 488 12-19-2010 07:21 PM

another webair success story.

oscer 12-19-2010 07:24 PM

Drives should be raided

TidalWave 12-19-2010 07:37 PM

RAID is not a substitute for backups

RAID for resiliency
Backups for data safety

You need both

CYF 12-19-2010 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TidalWave (Post 17785230)
RAID is not a substitute for backups

RAID for resiliency
Backups for data safety

You need both

quoted for truth :2 cents:


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