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Lucy - CSC 10-23-2011 07:50 PM

What Occupy Wall Street Wants
 
I personally think this is a beautifull message.




A revolution is coming to America.. Not Just America but the World, people are waking up and finally realising how the world works and that their rights as free human beings are slowly being taken away from them..
The 99% are rising up!

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As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose
sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies. As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon
corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and
those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the
people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the
Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic
power.

We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest
over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled
here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.
They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system
through monopolization. They have profited off of the torture, confinement,and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay andsafer working conditions. They have held students hostage with tens
of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers'healthcare and pay. They have influenced the courts to achievethe same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance. They have sold our privacy as a commodity.They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit. They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce. They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them. They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil. They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people's lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media. They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. To the people of the world, we, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy,we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.
Join us and make your voices heard!

The statement issued from Zuccotti Park, by the general assembly, at Occupy Wall Street.

Redrob 10-23-2011 08:17 PM

Just remember the Robber Barons of the 19th Century and what it took to free ourselves of their strangling grip on our economy.

We are again in the grip of modern day Robber Barons. Hope for the best; but, prepare for the worse.

pornmasta 10-23-2011 08:36 PM

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Caligari 10-23-2011 08:37 PM

Reading that you start realizing just how many things are completely screwed up.
You could isolate Monsanto as one mega-agribiz which is obliterating large parts of the planet and has control of roughly 2/3's of the world's food supply etc...

point being is that alot of people (myself included) have been saying the ows movement needs to have a few simple demands that everyone can get behind, but the problem is there are so many critical problems paring down a list is difficult.

The one thing they need to drop is the anti-capitalist stance.
The problem is not capitalism, it's corrupt corporatism.
We are subject to a corporatocracy which is above the law, or which has become the law.

bronco67 10-23-2011 08:42 PM

When they keep saying "they did this" and "they did that"...

It's all pretty much true. You could definitely call the Wall Street crew robber barons -- and the government is responsible for not only giving them their power, but their impunity also.

The financial business is inherently a criminal enterprise.

cykoe6 10-23-2011 08:46 PM

If the revolution does come then all of these useful idiots will drown in the rivers of blood. That is certainly a nice thought. :)

BFT3K 10-23-2011 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 18510993)
If the revolution does come then all of these useful idiots will drown in the rivers of blood. That is certainly a nice thought. :)

When it comes down to 99% vs 1% guess who wins. :)

Besides, you are part of the 99% anyway, so your position is not sensible to begin with...

Jakez 10-23-2011 08:53 PM

The only ones who can really do anything are the ones who don't care.

cykoe6 10-23-2011 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18511007)
When it comes down to 99% vs 1% guess who wins. :)

History has shown us that nobody wins but millions die in the process. The last time revolutions swept the globe more than 100 million died...... who knows this time...... maybe 200 million? Something to look forward to no doubt. :winkwink:


I take comfort however in knowing that the revolution always eats its own...... thus my comment that these useful idiots will drown in the rivers of blood...... just like the ones who came before them. :)

BFT3K 10-23-2011 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 18511020)
History has shown us that nobody wins but millions die in the process. The last time revolutions swept the globe more than 100 million died...... who knows this time...... maybe 200 million? Something to look forward to no doubt. :winkwink:

I take comfort however in knowing that the revolution always eats its own...... thus my comment that these useful idiots will drown in the rivers of blood...... just like the ones who came before them. :)

I think the planet's human population is about to hit 7 billion.

200 million is just a drop in the bucket. :thumbsup

cykoe6 10-23-2011 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18511034)
I think the planet's human population is about to hit 7 billion.

200 million is just a drop in the bucket. :thumbsup


Spoken like true Marxist. That is probably the first honest post you have ever made on this board. History has shown us that Marxist collectivist fantasies always end in mass slaughter. At least you are now embracing what you are and what your goals are instead of hiding behind a mask of moderation and civility.

BFT3K 10-23-2011 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 18511041)
Spoken like true Marxist. That is probably the first honest post you have ever made on this board. History has shown us that Marxist collectivist fantasies always end in mass slaughter. At least you are now embracing what you are and what your goals are instead of hiding behind a mask of moderation and civility.

Yup, you figured me out. I'm obviously a secret marxist, bent on the destruction of the human race.

And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids :(

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress...dling-kids.jpg

epitome 10-23-2011 09:47 PM

The reality is that the wealth of this country was built by those who made things.

The wealth was stolen by those who make nothing; the financial services industry.

You can get richer by making more things. You can only shave a dollar so many times before it's nothing. At some point the game is over.

When financial services companies, companies that do nothing except move money around, make more than companies that actually produce anything, we have a MAJOR problem.

Enter Occupy Wall Street.

Gouge 10-23-2011 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 18511041)
Spoken like true Marxist. That is probably the first honest post you have ever made on this board. History has shown us that Marxist collectivist fantasies always end in mass slaughter. At least you are now embracing what you are and what your goals are instead of hiding behind a mask of moderation and civility.

Agreed :thumbsup

BFT3K 10-23-2011 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18511062)
The reality is that the wealth of this country was built by those who made things.

The wealth was stolen by those who make nothing; the financial services industry.

You can get richer by making more things. You can only shave a dollar so many times before it's nothing. At some point the game is over.

When financial services companies, companies that do nothing except move money around, make more than companies that actually produce anything, we have a MAJOR problem.

Enter Occupy Wall Street.

Agreed :thumbsup

Anthony 10-23-2011 09:56 PM

Is that thing still going on? I stopped paying attention to it when the Luke Skywalker parody picture started making it's rounds on facebook.

epitome 10-23-2011 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 18511085)
Is that thing still going on? I stopped paying attention to it when the Luke Skywalker parody picture started making it's rounds on facebook.

I pray for the day when an internet meme can stop me from paying attention.

SomeCreep 10-23-2011 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC (Post 18510898)
I personally think this is a beautifull message.



You realize that's propaganda right? Omg, I bet people hear that stuff and believe every word of it. It's scary what can happen when people who are not properly educated or knowledgeable in political ideologies form an opinion and act on it. For all those who think the 99% is the new super class and that the 1% should be punished or destroyed along with capitalism, please read "The Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx, and realize how un-American your ideals are.

Anthony 10-23-2011 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18511097)
I pray for the day when an internet meme can stop me from paying attention.

The OWS movement has become a joke, and will be remembered as a time Americans listened to Canadians and got nothing done.

Here's your average "Protestor(s)".
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da1_1318884920

Trust me, an Internet Meme is more than enough for me to blow off the idiots at OWS.

SuzzyQ 10-23-2011 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 18511125)
The OWS movement has become a joke, and will be remembered as a time Americans listened to Canadians and got nothing done.

Let me see if I have this right.
The protesters are protesting against Wall Street corporations?
The same Wall Street corporations that manufacture the IPhone/IPad, they are using to get the word out with?. On a wireless network that is owned by a Wall Street company?. To a social network sites owned by a multimillionaires?.

And how exactly do these protesters get around?.
In cars/buses built by Wall Street corporations, with fuel from other Wall Street corporations???

I'm confused...

bronco67 10-23-2011 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18511062)
The reality is that the wealth of this country was built by those who made things.

The wealth was stolen by those who make nothing; the financial services industry.

You can get richer by making more things. You can only shave a dollar so many times before it's nothing. At some point the game is over.

When financial services companies, companies that do nothing except move money around, make more than companies that actually produce anything, we have a MAJOR problem.

Enter Occupy Wall Street.

quoted for ultimate truth

bronco67 10-23-2011 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuzzyQ (Post 18511150)
Let me see if I have this right.
The protesters are protesting against Wall Street corporations?
The same Wall Street corporations that manufacture the IPhone/IPad, they are using to get the word out with?. On a wireless network that is owned by a Wall Street company?. To a social network sites owned by a multimillionaires?.

And how exactly do these protesters get around?.
In cars/buses built by Wall Street corporations, with fuel from other Wall Street corporations???

I'm confused...

Since when does anyone on Wall Street make anything?

SuzzyQ 10-23-2011 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 18511154)
Since when does anyone on Wall Street make anything?

You know what I mean

Internet Guy 10-24-2011 12:20 AM

And we're off..

I swear GFY has some government trolls posting in any politics/revolution threads.

matuloo 10-24-2011 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuzzyQ (Post 18511161)
You know what I mean

Problem is that you didnt get the whole point. Ive seen this apple/iphone argument so many times ... yet its totally retarded to the bone. Who says these guys protest against manufacturing of things or their usage? So a protester should come to the place on a horse, dressed up in self made clothes, eating self made bread and drink rain water?

This is not what its about, they protest against the flawed system, society ran by debt, total power of money and putting income over the value of life. Nobody wants to stop production of things - but why should a device made in china for $10 sell for $500 in the retail in the USA, cause it has to fill the pockets of 100 idiots in the process, who do nothing but try to look clever and smart.

The whole economic setup is bad right now, everybody is in debt, countries operating only at 3% yearly debt are considered well behaving countries, banks do bad investments and they get bailed out by taxpayers money ... this is the things they protest against. Nobody wants to wipe out technology or progress.

teomaxxx 10-24-2011 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuzzyQ (Post 18511150)
And how exactly do these protesters get around?.
In cars/buses built by Wall Street corporations, with fuel from other Wall Street corporations???

I'm confused...


Ha, ha, ha, thats so stupid....
Wallstreet ultimate factory of the world :1orglaugh
Of course, wallstreet banks own some of the companies or fund operations of some companies, but you take it like without wallstreet there wouldnt be no economy :error


I dont have any problem with wallstreet except they should went BK in 2008-9.There wouldnt be any OWS movement today.
Good article what should be done in 2008-9:
http://pragcap.com/whats-wrong-with-a-swedish-model

Anthony 10-24-2011 01:55 AM

OWS looks to be running out of thing to protest about. Now OWS is protesting the Stop and Frisk lay of the NYPD. What a fucking joke.

From their own site where OWS was proud to post it.

AtlantisCash 10-24-2011 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18510973)
Reading that you start realizing just how many things are completely screwed up.
You could isolate Monsanto as one mega-agribiz which is obliterating large parts of the planet and has control of roughly 2/3's of the world's food supply etc...

point being is that alot of people (myself included) have been saying the ows movement needs to have a few simple demands that everyone can get behind, but the problem is there are so many critical problems paring down a list is difficult.

The one thing they need to drop is the anti-capitalist stance.
The problem is not capitalism, it's corrupt corporatism.
We are subject to a corporatocracy which is above the law, or which has become the law.



Well said, there was an artical on mises.org which is analysing the movement, in reality this organization is lacking in so many ways, .

Paul Markham 10-24-2011 02:42 AM

The West has little left to sell to the developing nations and what they have is probably shrinking. One sector the West does have and it makes trillions. Is the financial Sector.

Piss them off to the extent they move to more friendly places and lose the trillions they make. That's the real world folks. not the one the OWS visit enough. They are probably only able to occupy Wall Street, because they have Wall Street financing them.

Control and limits are good. But if the US made producing online porn very hard, what would happen to the US online porn business?

Move or whither.

teomaxxx 10-24-2011 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18511292)

The West has little left to sell to the developing nations and what they have is probably shrinking. One sector the West does have and it makes trillions. Is the financial Sector.

Piss them off to the extent they move to more friendly places and lose the trillions they make. That's the real world folks. not the one the OWS visit enough.

and win trilions you will otherwise need to bail them out when next bubble burst.
I can see Wallstreet moving to China or some other third world shithole soon :1orglaugh. Wallstreet is where it is, because its backed by the biggest world economy and by the country who attract biggest pie of the capital in the world every year
Not the other way...

12clicks 10-24-2011 06:28 AM

it will be cold soon.

PR_Glen 10-24-2011 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 18511125)
The OWS movement has become a joke, and will be remembered as a time Americans listened to Canadians and got nothing done.

Here's your average "Protestor(s)".
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da1_1318884920

Trust me, an Internet Meme is more than enough for me to blow off the idiots at OWS.

Yes, because it's the canadians fault that your country has idiots parading in your streets with no common focus... it's a well known fact that the average american looks to canada for its advice on ethics and economy... :error

CaptainHowdy 10-24-2011 06:57 AM

I share their dream of not having to work ...

Minte 10-24-2011 07:03 AM

I was there Friday.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1042882

bronco67 10-24-2011 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 18511233)
Ha, ha, ha, thats so stupid....
Wallstreet ultimate factory of the world :1orglaugh
Of course, wallstreet banks own some of the companies or fund operations of some companies, but you take it like without wallstreet there wouldnt be no economy :error


I dont have any problem with wallstreet except they should went BK in 2008-9.There wouldnt be any OWS movement today.
Good article what should be done in 2008-9:
http://pragcap.com/whats-wrong-with-a-swedish-model

Here's what Wall Street does:

1. Find people with money (usually people that actually make a product or useful service)

2. Leech

Sly 10-24-2011 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 18511652)
Here's what Wall Street does:

1. Find people with money (usually people that actually make a product or useful service)

2. Leech

That argument could be made for any manager, broker, government official, and investor in existence.

Explain the differences.

Lucy - CSC 10-24-2011 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18511292)
The West has little left to sell to the developing nations and what they have is probably shrinking. One sector the West does have and it makes trillions. Is the financial Sector.

Piss them off to the extent they move to more friendly places and lose the trillions they make. That's the real world folks. not the one the OWS visit enough. They are probably only able to occupy Wall Street, because they have Wall Street financing them.

Control and limits are good. But if the US made producing online porn very hard, what would happen to the US online porn business?

Move or whither.

The main reason countries like America and Great Brtain dont produce anything is also down to the banks. In the 70s 95% of money invested in banks was invested back into the local community with 5% going on the roulette table that is the stock exchange. Now the figure has flipped around the other way with only 5% being there for small businesses etc which has crippled their ability to trade. What really needs to be established from this is a new Building Society/Bank which is owned by the people and invests in the people.

The people on Wall Street and all these financial sectors pay fuck all tax and their actions damage the economy. In all it costs to have them there so good ridance I say.

woj 10-24-2011 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18511062)
The reality is that the wealth of this country was built by those who made things.

The wealth was stolen by those who make nothing; the financial services industry.

You can get richer by making more things. You can only shave a dollar so many times before it's nothing. At some point the game is over.

When financial services companies, companies that do nothing except move money around, make more than companies that actually produce anything, we have a MAJOR problem.

Enter Occupy Wall Street.

Claiming that financial industry creates nothing is like saying doctors or accountants create nothing, and are thus useless...

You guys should read up on how exactly financial industry works, what it does, etc, instead of listening to all the propaganda that you hear in the media....:2 cents:

Sly 10-24-2011 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 18511680)
Claiming that financial industry creates nothing is like saying doctors or accountants create nothing, and are thus useless...

You guys should read up on how exactly financial industry works, what it does, etc, instead of listening to all the propaganda that you hear in the media....:2 cents:

There are people that claim programmers make nothing, webmasters make nothing, web developers make nothing, etc.

Waiters make nothing. Literally. They don't make shit.

The guy at the grocery store that rings me up. He doesn't make anything either.

woj 10-24-2011 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC (Post 18511666)
The main reason countries like America and Great Brtain dont produce anything is also down to the banks. In the 70s 95% of money invested in banks was invested back into the local community with 5% going on the roulette table that is the stock exchange. Now the figure has flipped around the other way with only 5% being there for small businesses etc which has crippled their ability to trade. What really needs to be established from this is a new Building Society/Bank which is owned by the people and invests in the people.

The people on Wall Street and all these financial sectors pay fuck all tax and their actions damage the economy. In all it costs to have them there so good ridance I say.

We don't produce stuff anymore because we are not in the 'industrial age' anymore...train has left the station and is not ever coming back.... the sooner the people grasp this fact, the better... :2 cents:


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