How do you feel about tubes in 2014?
 

Seems like so many more people are accepting of tubes and more and more programs are sending out full length videos and/or starting their own tube sites. I still see some people bitching about them and user uploads, honestly with so many people giving their content away there isn't even a need for user uploads anymore.

No one that understands traffic and data is bitching about tubes.

surfers want movies not pics overall so tubes will keep growing.

All those people would earn at least few times more if tubes were not invented.

My dad would be rich if he were Bill Gates.

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That was spot-on!

Not correct analogy. My point is that even if these guys make money it does not mean they should not bitch, because they make less money than they would otherwise.

Tubes are pretty much the only way to get massive and free traffic to a paysite these days.

What is the marketing purpose of bitching about something that won't disappear?

Unlike ever before, with the exception of the very early days,... high quality traffic is widely available to you cheaply, even free and in huge volumes. What you do with that opportunity is on you. ;)

We are not speaking about bitching from marketing point of view. Maybe bitching to themselves. My point is that everybody in adult are not happy about tubes, they just adapted and accepted that they would make less money.
So they may not bitch but they know that it is not as good as it could have been without tubes. As simple as that.
Well there may be exceptions like manthief who implemented it on the grand scale first.

Are you saying that traffic did not exist pre-tubes?
I would say it was even more available because back then people used to jump from site to site looking for something and nowadays they usually stick to their favorite tube.

Most people I know that were successful pre-tubes are doing better than ever in the tube era. There is more traffic available than ever, more billing solutions than ever and more people getting online every single day.

Their conversion rates suck. But they would be the all mighty affiliates if they actually tried to sell memberships for sponsors. 2 minute or less clips with no money shots would make everyone way more money than the advertisements.

I understand you can't undo what is done, I was just curious to see how everyone feels about tubes now. Are there any paysite owners left who are sticking to their guns and won't do business with tube sites?

Those 2 are irrelevant to tubes. They would have existed even if tubes were not invented. Especially the last one.

Just take the average amount of what average person spends on memberships and you would see that it is way lower now than in pretube times.
The fact that some big players consolidated their revenue shares does not mean it is better.

100 people making 50$ each or 10 people making 150$ each and 90 people making 5$ each.
In total the pie got smaller, despite the fact that few big players got bigger slices.

That is correct and somehow what I am trying to say. They would be better off, because surfers would not have free full movies and most of them would have to buy. As simple as that.

Do you really think i am saying "traffic did not exist...."?

I am saying that through a few brokers, you have now access to 75%+ of adult site traffic... and very very cheaply and even free. That was never the case in the past.

The past... is past. In business, you can only deal with what is,... not what was. You have every opportunity available to you to succeed. Lamenting what was, will not build your future.

You can also deal with What could be :)

My paysites came out while tubes were here. They made money and had much better ratio's than what you see most people posting. I can only imagine what they would have made before people had the (porn is free) mentality. What I'm doing now is looking to the future and trying to decide what way is best to do my sites.

You can deal with what "could be" with respect to changing how users use the internet, if you are immersed in fantasy. Otherwise, businessmen have to deal with the facts as they are and as they are likely to be.

I have been in this biz since day 1. Porn was always free. Always. All porn was promoted with free content since the very beginning. End of story. All that has changed is how people use the net... not the "mentality" of people. People still pay for quality. The same arguments about "Free" was being made in 1998. In 2000. In 2002. In 2005. In 2009. In 2014.

I was looking today at a programs stats that has been around for a very long time, has old, shitty content and they are still doing crazy numbers and growing. Much of it from tube sites.

Your success or failure is on you... not the internet or users or any other boogeyman.

When I put what could be, I meant it in looking to the future, not the past. Debating on putting my pay sites up as membership sites, or maybe looking into doing things in a whole new way.

Maybe to adapt in this industry means to give everything away for free and profit off of the traffic using adds. If all paysites did this what good would tubes be? Then again, I had good ratio's and sales, might be better to just keep doing things the old way.

Most people who i know are no longer in adult industry.Some people adapted,but most of people simply left.

i lick pubes...

The late Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) was right after all:

http://virulentwordofmouse.files.wor...-of-tubes1.jpg

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ADG

This industry has never seen a cliff that the people working in it won't push each other out of the way to jump off of.

What a load of bullshit.

When was the last time you checked ad spot prices?

"FREE CONTENT" and samples are two different things. :1orglaugh

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No body who puts effort in this business is failing unless there new. :thumbsup

TGP's with self hosted galleries make 10x what they cost !

I buy a lot of traffic. I am well aware of prices, everywhere. If you're not retarded, you can buy ExoClick RON traffic for .015/click or LESS and dial it in to very good quality traffic. You can also submit 100+ videos a day and get free traffic. You can submit another programs content for free and get free traffic. There is a great deal that you can do to take full advantage of what is out there besides crying, whining and complaining.

The "bullshit" is when people keep chanting "its over, its over, its over" when its only getting better and better and better for actual businessmen. It's over for those who stand no chance running their own business anyway.

You just outed yourself. :321GFY

Uhmm... yeah. Outed myself as someone who fully understands you can sign up to nasty dollars, download their 2000-ish videos and submit them, watermarked to a domain you own, loading the corresponding nasty dollars sites in an iframe and generate 2-3-4-5 joins a day within a month or two.... by doing that simple thing, over and over again.... obviously meaning "free traffic" as in there is no monetary cost to you.

You're very clever Sherlock.

You fucking idiots spend 100X more time thinking about why you can't,... than you do thinking about how you can... then you refuse to own the outcome.

You have to have a "tube strategy" otherwise you're just throwing content away or pissing in the wind.

Also you can't compare "larger companies" succeeding or failing via tubes as an indicater of Industry health. Large companies have resources to throw at advertising and other promotions while smaller-to-midsize companies have a much tighter profit margin therefore less resources to throw at traffic. Example, how many companies can throw 50k a month at advertising?

See, that's what a lot of people in this thread do then turn around and go 'Tubes are great! We're adapting!" But that's not really the point because these large ad buys are not representative of the average affiliate or midsize Program.

Having said that there IS a way to make money with tubes but to think that's the only game in town, even now, is wrong. Tubes have to be a portion of your traffic campaign, not the whole shebang. UNLESS you have 20-50k a month to throw at advertising then I would suggest tubes-only lol.

Here's to the Winners.....:D

PS TheSquealer: would love to get some traffic-buying tips since I'm about to start that again. :)

This is one of the more amusing threads of late.

Thanks guys.

That's a good business model - if you don't mind being the sucker fish that swims alongside the whale all day eating plankton and barnacles off its' ass.

I can name five guys off the top of my head with automated systems following that business model that clear five figures a month net. I can name another 10 that clear mid-four figures with the same business model.

What business model did you have that clears more with less work?

you got some stats to back it up, mr. big entrepreneur?

You've already admitted to having completely failed at adult that reads parking meters for a living - your opinion on those that actually make money and how in this biz, doesn't count.

Yeah, money is lying on the ground and everyone around you is so successful that you are slaving away as a minimum wage affiliate manager for TopBucks :1orglaugh

How about this you fucking loser.... For once in your life, fully commit to something... To learning and to making it work ... To sticking it out no matter how tough it is and how many setbacks you have and ultimately becoming an expert at it. Your problem ....... Is you.

It's true. I haven't yet gotten lucky like some of my friends. Not sure why that is.

Advice anyone? How can I get lucky?