WTF does the US Government have against cattle ranchers?
 

First the Bundy thing...

Now the BLM is moving in on Texas and the US Forestry Service is fucking with New Mexico.

WTF?

We Hoped for Change.

"Yes He Can, Yes He Can, Yes He Can!!!"

It's unreal. I thought this guy was supposed to be a "Liberal" not a Fascist.

The second link is from 2005..

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Around 50% of the US is federal land. There has long been a theory that they have leveraged the land (or the resources on it) as collateral to obtain loans from China.

It could be that they need to completely free up the land to eliminate ownership and use rights questions. That could be one reason for targeting all of these ranchers.


There was a rumor awhile back that Hillary Clinton offered China the rights to execute eminent domain proceedings in the US, but I don't believe things have progressed that far. I'm more inclined to believe it involved federal land and not private.

http://www.libertygunrights.com/Crit...entDomain.html

Graze your cattle on your own private land /problem

Can you please point me to Obama's part in all this? Show me some legislation or a mandate where he told the BLM to go grab this rancher's land or that one's. Can you show me where he did the same for the US forestry office? I'm pretty sure BLM has been grabbing land long before Obama came to office and I've yet to see anywhere that Obama started some new mandate to grab people's land.

I mean really are you just gonna blame Obama for every little thing that goes wrong in govt but never give any credit for anything right?

Thanks Obama! The fucking liberal commie fascist was stealing people land even before he was president!!!!

Nope, just gonna say that is it HIS administration doing it RIGHT NOW.
And not just here...
I'm sure you heard what HIS administration did a couple of years ago to Gibson Guitars right in the middle of a horrible economy too.

If Bush was in charge, you would blame him (and rightly so).

Or as Harry Truman said: "The buck stops here".

Either Pres. Obama is actually in charge of the Executive Branch, or he is ignorant of EVERYTHING they are doing.
And if that is the case, then he is incompetent.

And even if he IS incompetent...all he had to do was turn on the news and see what was happening. Then he COULD have immediately ordered that shit to stop.

But he did not.

Sorry crockett, but I hold bureaucrats responsible for their bullshit. I am not beholden to the two "teams" (repubs and dems) the way that most of the country seems to be.
I don't like EITHER bunch of them. They are all crooks.

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The U.S. govt. has been pulling this shit for a long time.

Maybe I just reached my tipping point when I fucked up and believed that Obama was gonna be "different" back in 2008.

Like a mouse in a maze, if I get shocked enough times touching the wrong wall...I'm eventually gonna figure it out.

That time has come for me.

It's time for the federal govt. to be reigned in and it's time for an end to the "two-party" system and lifetime/career politicians.

You make it sound as if Obama made the laws these "victims" violated.

Most of the people raging about the rancher's problem would shoot a stray human for wondering onto their property.

So try Google, it's your friend.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...d-2939496.html

The president isn't a dictator. He doesn't run around making everyone jump or shoot them if they don't. BLM or the Forestry service or any other govt office act on laws. Those laws are written by congress and signed by the president and eventually enforced by what ever govt agency they were intended to be used by.

Obama doesn't say hey BLM.. go take this rancher's land because I want a new park named after me.. It doesn't work that way.

You want him to act and say stop.. Yet weren't you just complaining in another topic about how many executive actions Obama has done? Complaining when he does act on his own and then complaining when he doesn't is just silly. There is nothing he can ever do to satisfy you guys because no matter what he does or doesn't do it's always bad.

That's actually pretty funny.

How do you know that? Why are you so quick to categorize everyone...but so quick to get defensive over criticism of a politician?

I simply don't think the U.S. govt. should be doing this. And I don't think they should be killing people with drones worldwide. And I don't think they should have dropped the atomic bomb on two CITIES (not military targets, but men, women, and children).
And I don't think they should be spying on us. The list of shit they pull goes on and on.

Personally, I don't give a fuck who the President is.
If they are doing WRONG...then they are doing WRONG.

If you think it's all good because Pres. Obama is a Democrat, or because he is a black man...then that is your choice.
I don't give a fuck what he calls himself...Democrat or Republican. And I don't give a fuck if he's white, black,yellow, or green.
He came into office promising to fix shit. And instead...he's no different than Bush on these kinds of things.

It's all about greed and corruption from what I see. The little guy gets squished by the giant Federal bureaucracy.

And as I said earlier...Pres. Obama is either in CHARGE or he is not.
He could have stopped this before it got stupid.
But for some reason he did not.

And in my experience...when something doesn't make sense (like sending in a small army to go after a cattle rancher in the desert), then you need to FOLLOW THE MONEY. Because somewhere there is a hidden agenda and a lot of money at stake that we aren't being told about.

Pres. Obama IS the executive branch.

And having his BLM or any of the other agencies go after people is his job. It's not an "executive order" that circumvents congress.

And what I said VERY specifically is:
Either the Pres. is in charge or he is not.
If he was too busy at fundraisers and giving speeches at high schools to be "in the loop" for damn near anything and everything...then he is incompetent.

But even if that is so...all he had to do was turn on the television to see what was happening. And THEN he COULD have stopped it.

I do not believe for one second that he is incompetent or ignorant about the things that are going on.

The fact he did not so anything even after all hell broke loose says to me that the whole thing is a favor to Sen. Reid (of my state), who obviously has something planned for that desert land.
That is the way it appears to me.

But go ahead...keep defending a lifetime/career politician who wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire...UNLESS he had some way of making money on helping you. lol

Yeah, well I'm tired of the whole stupid conversation since 2008.

First he's born in Kenya, then the birth certificate is fake, then death panels, then fake Bin Laden kill, then then then....

Who believes anything the critics say anymore?

I think that stuff was fucking ridiculous too. :(

Yeah, things like if you like your insurance you can keep it

or that The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I, therefore, intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt.

Who believes anything the President says, LOL

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We do all get that this our land as Americans and this guy was using it for free. Now they have a use for it and he is all bummed that his free use of our land is done.

He didn't want to pay the fees to let his cattle feed there. He owes over 300k and he doesn't recognized the us government. Now that s ok but some single mom getting 500 a month in food stamps is a free loader. Lol

You should consider the "loony" factor.
As in, having a flaw in the insurance plan is probably not as loony as fake Bin Laden kill.

The critics are loony toons.

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No, some of the political activists who plant "conspiracy theories" about the President to rile up the crazies are the ones to blame for that shit. Not all critics of the Pres.

It's pure political garbage what they do.

In a way I think it empowered Pres. Obama when all that stupid shit happened.
I loved the way he played Hulk Hogan's theme music "I Am A Real American" and had his birth certificate on the big screen at the Press Dinner a few years ago and made fun of Donald Trump sitting in the audience. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Criticizing the Pres. for his actions and policies is what people should do if they disagree.
But the kind of dumb shit that Trump and others did was the equivalent of "jumping the shark" and made them all look "crazy".

Hell, leading up to the 2012 election I was listening to Donald Trump discuss what he would do as Pres. and I thought the guy had some good ideas and would be a strong leader.

But once he started up with that "birther" insanity?
That made him look like a total clown to me then.

this is nothing new.. it's been a on going court battle for 15+ years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

Well to start, Bundy is a criminal. He owes a Million dollars to the US Government and refuses to pay because he refuses to recognize the government.

Even worse, that asshole Sean Hanity at Fox News is stroking the flames. He's got all these redneck hillbillies out there just aching for a violent showdown.

lolz...........

Lol!

Bundy has been letting his cattle graze on US owned land for 20 years. Like all other ranchers, he has to pay a fee which is about $1.20 per month per cow. If he doesn't want to use that land, he can let his cattle graze on private land which in that part of the US right now is about $11-$12.

Bundy has been taken to court and found to be breaking the law.

He refused court orders to pay what he owed. All other cattlemen pay but he does not. He is a "Welfare Cowboy".

So now the government had enough and took away his cattle. And what happened? He cried "My freedom is being taken away boo hoo hop" and that psycho Sean Hannity heard about it, and decided to take advantage of the poor guy. That prick spews his hate-filled garbage on fox news and gets the hillbillies panties all in a bunch".

After this, the government does a GOOD THING by letting the cattle go. Those fucking rednecks were about to start shootin' and a hallorin' and lynchin', so the government let the cattle go just to calm those psychopaths down.

But now of course, Sean Hanity won't let it go. That motherfucker actually asked Bundy's son if he's afraid his father will be KILLED by government officials. What a son of a bitch.



You're allowed to have your opinions and say whatever you want, but now Hannity is taking things too far. The situation is bad enough out there and Hannity is making it much worse. This is a new low even for Fox. I hope he gets fired.

Mark, I'm glad you aren't in any position of power.

If you think that a family of ranchers that have been grazing that land since the 1800's are somehow "criminals" then I don't know what to say to you.

And I could care less what Sean Hannity has to say. I'm telling you that there is more to what is going on here than what meets the eye.

if the land was not owned by the government, then it would be owned by some one else, try going on private property and grazing your cattle... you can complain all you want, but if your going to have a cow business, have a way to feed them. stop leaching off people thinking your entitled...looks like the wacky right feels they have an entitlement now.

You're anti-fox news bias as completely blinded you to what's important about this event.

I want to help you, here-

Read this
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...rst-amendment/

and study this photo

http://shtfplan.com/wp-content/uploa...ent-area-2.jpg

That's what's important here, not whether or not Bundy is a welfare cowboy.

My guess would be bureaucracy, not unlike TSA.

Go back to the mental asylum

Clearly the government has a beef with cattle ranchers.

First of all he's a progressive.
And second the line is very thin between Fascist and a Progressive.
Fascists of the early part of the 20th century were considered Progressives of their day.

btw no one wanted this land or a gave a fuck about this land for over 100 years
UNTIL Hairy fuckin Reid and his son decides they wanted this land for their solar farm.