Fuck paypal
 

I got scammed by Brandon Kagey from Scriptworkz:
https://gfy.com/sell-and-buy-forum/11...gmail-com.html

I filed a Paypal dispute, and they closed it within 6 hours saying:

We completed our investigation for the following transaction:

Case ID: PP-003-800-859-XXX
Transaction Date: Feb 24, 2015
Transaction Amount: -$XXXX USD
Seller's Email: [email protected]
Seller's Name: Eric Frye


Unfortunately, we are denying your claim because your purchase was for a
virtual, digital, or intangible item. Indeed, our PayPal Purchase
Protection only covers claims involving physical items that can be shipped
and tracked. Payments for intangible, digital items or services are
therefore not covered.

We encourage you to work directly with your seller to resolve the problem.
You'll find their contact information on the Transaction Details page.

It's nice to know Paypal doesn't protect buyers any longer and they are now protecting scammers. I am pissed beyond belief that Paypal is taking this stance. So basically what Paypal is saying is that if we buy anything that is not a PHYSICAL ITEM, we as buyers are fucked all day every day. :disgust:disgust:disgust:mad::mad: What a bunch of bullshit. This basically protects the scammers because they don't have to give us what we pay for, as paypal protects them. :mad: I didn't pay from my credit card so I can't do a charge back either. :(

Any suggestions on recovering my money or reasoning with these Paypal idiots? :(

sick :mad::mad:

I had the same situation, more or less. I was able to get the money from the person thought. It is like saying, this is a car shop and we work on cars here, we cant refund the money for you because we worked on your car's wheels. Paypal is for Internet, and most of the things they do is digital. They treat people like idiots, when you talk to them.

Sorry to hear, bad to lost xxxx$

How would anyone insulate themselves against designers or web developers?

It definitely made me sick to my stomach reading that email from them :(

I hear the horror stories from people on the net with their experiences with Paypal and you think they must have did something wrong but the more I deal with this company, the more I think Paypal is the problem. And you are right, Paypal is for net, so most of the things we buy are digital in some way shape or form. Talking to paypal is like banging your head against the wall, they do treat us like idiots :(
Glad to hear you got your money back though :)

Sucks to lose any money. I can't imagine how many people are losing money this way to the Paypal bullshit way of doing things. Scammers paradise = Paypal

Agreed, so stupid of them and despicable to knowingly protect the people doing the ripping off . :disgust

I hate this, sorry buddy.

shitty situation

"It definitely made me sick to my stomach reading that email from them "

i know man most sites/companies support are total shit ...

Should have said it was supposed to have been sent on a flash drive or SD Card... Then its no longer a 'virtual' thing...

Its a virtual thing on a physical product - Big difference.

OK, its lying, but he ripped you off...

sorry that happened to you. i lost a similar case against a programmer, but have now learned the ways of paypal.

Brandon Kagey = Zed



Sorry to hear that. Paypal is tard, but the evil in the story is the scammer dude.

I ordered a tangible item that I never received and they told me to deal with the seller, who happens to be in the UK. :(

Never got my money back. Seller never replied. Paypal sucks sometimes, I agree.

Paypal hasn't covered digital or virtual goods since at the very least 2009 when I started reading their TOS. This is nothing new and has been there for a very long time.

They simply do not have the time or ability to act as mediary going over says functionality in a script or anything similar. There has been numerous stories here before on this, and people have been shipping CDs with content and the script files on, just to have a shipping number and are in fact selling physical goods.

For amounts this large, I do not see why you do not go through a site built for this, like Freelancer.com.
It costs a bit more but your money are protected and milestones can be set, payout as work gets done, reviewed and approved.

WTF are you guys complaining about? This is beautiful. Do you know how many assholes there are out there filing fake chargebacks all the time? I am glad someone has the balls to tell people to fuck off, you bought it, it's yours.

Paypal never covered digital goods that I can remember.
If you downloaded it then paypal would not do any refund.

Too many people would download a product and then ask for a refund just so they
didn't have to pay.
So paypal has to do this; we the people did that to ourselves.

i never wish to use paypal because it got many issues many limits and no support

Thought that was common knowledge,it sucks but it's always been that way

It says the seller is Eric Frye, not Brandon Kagey?

Paypal fucked me out of $750. I was able to get $250. back from the bank (fraud), but they ran me into circles until the bank could no longer do anything and then they told me that the transactions (same as other) was not fraud and the case was closed...

I got the same issue, but with a physical product I purchased from a terrible company in Spain. A pulse watch from Polar that was DOA, returned, and now 3 months later still no refund and Paypal closed the case because they didnt "approve" my proof of returning product.

Trying to re-open the case, but they move slow.

FYI - Never buy anything from this company: trekkinn.com - Online outdoor shop, buy online outdoor clothing & trekking equipment. (they have like 13 other "INN" stores as well. Beware.

We have dealt with Brandon for our scripting work and he was a nice guy to deal with my friend. Yes the amount of work and payment was not touching XXXX$ four digits but he complete the work on time and we pay him on time.

Regarding the dispute with PayPal, if you have paid him by your balance than you cant do any thing now but if you have paid him with credit card using PayPal (visa or master) than you can open a retail dispute with your bank and you will get pay your payment back. We have done this with one client and we are successful in that because we are all protected by card issues....

Beware doing this will close your PayPal account so better withdraw all funds out of it before filling retail dispute with your bank.

Why don't you try calling Paypal? I've never had a single issue dealing with them and have always found their support great especially their phone reps...love my Paypal card too :) very convenient.

I don't know about the money, but it is usually police that deals with frauds. Getting money back is different thing, at least if the criminal is broke.

One reason for the huge amount of internet frauds is that people don't take those to police; the thing they would do if it would happen outside internet.

Then I say don't file a retail dispute with the bank.
It's better to have a paypal account than not have one.

$XXXX is worth more than a PayPal account. Isn't it

No.

If paypal closed my account I'd pay $XXXX just to get it back open.

:2 cents:

Hey man I feel for you, listen hit me up, if it is something I can code or design I can do it for you, with nothing down and only pay me when project is done and only pay what ever was left you were going to pay that scam dick head.

So. Nothing upfront, only pay when project is done, and when done only pay what you would of paid him to finish. That way you don't lose anything. *shrugs* Good luck.. Email is below.

Tom

It's your own fault for not knowing that PayPal doesn't cover any digital purchases. And for sending money up front. Never ever pay up front.

You guys are complaining about nothing, or about a few fucking dollars.... fuck it. The bigger issue is that eBay, the Pay Pal owner, is the biggest pirate of YOUR product ( and mine) in the World. E bay merchants steal the shit and Pal Pal processes it. Almost EVERY one of my stolen movies on DVDs are being sold on e Bay ( processed by Pay Pal) by thieves, yet Pay Pal will not process my site because it has "naked lesbian vampires". I used to complain and they told me to file a lawsuit in Delaware or some other shitty state and sue the merchant:2 cents::mad:

So nobody should hire you for work. If you fuck them over, it's their fault.

This is why you never prepay for anything. and never, ever prepay with PayPal.

Use your CC to fund PayPal when needed and charge-back through the CC issuer and forget the Paypal account.

I used to use PayPal to run several hosting businesses until fraud got to be over 20% now it is 2CO for PayPal transactions it is worth the extra point or 3 for the real fraud protection.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune, be sure to post about it everywhere you can so it shows on all search engines first page when searching his info.

Hit me up if you want to make the sellers life miserable. I just need some basic info and to iron out some details.

That really sucks!

Stupid post, stupid poster. Yes, it sucks. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. :2 cents:

Your best bet would be to find the motherfucker and beat it out of him. :2 cents:

Also, I am pretty sure I have seen his name around here recently or at the very least, the company. Let me take a gander.

I'll be back.

Strange thing is OP says seller is Brandon Kagey but the transaction he posted says seller is Eric Frye

Here you go. It appears that at one time the guy was somewhat reputable. Apparently that has since changed.

Two weeks old:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...s-screwed.html

Always do your research.

*Unless it's someone you know well and/or have had past very positive business dealings with.

I'd like to point out that the risk doesn't only roll one way. Plenty of sellers, service providers - designers, writers, etc, have done work for someone who 'hired' them and then once the work was done the person flaked and kept the work.

As a writer, and in the past as a web developer, designer, even a content provider at one time for 5 years, I've been prepaid for stuff plenty of times, never a problem. But I won't go spending hours or in some cases dozens of hours (or even hundreds) on a project for someone I know little about without getting at least something up front, so your hard-and-fast rule of "never prepay for anything" goes out the window.

Just be smart about whom you hire. Vet them. Get them on the phone beforehand, get a read on them, a sense of how solid they are. I realize it's no guarantee but based on this I've had some luck over the years with avoiding the kinds of clusterfucks that a lot of people have come on here complaining about.

Very sensible advice, that. :thumbsup I've been doing it that way for many years now.

Indeed. It can actually only take one good keyword-rich forum post to hurt a company. I know this first-hand, as back in 1999 a company screwed me over, costing me lawyer's fees and plenty of headaches, even an undeserved black mark on my credit rating. It only took about six years for them to realize my ONE post on a mainstream forum was causing them to lose business. After the typical sabre-rattling of threatening to sue me they coughed up $2k to make things right with me, and I removed the post. (it's not libel if your comments are TRUE, which mine were)

I'd be interested to hear what this Brandon's side of the issue would be, but when someone flakes on a deal as bad as this one appears to have done he deserves whatever comes.

As an aside; I constantly find these types of threads amazing. To be in business, and basically trash your good name and entire business just to rip someone off for a lousy few hundred, or a few grand (any amount really)... that level of short-sightedness truly boggles the mind. The ongoing income a person or company who maintains their credibility far out-earns any one scam, yet the ones who pull this crap don't seem smart enough to figure this out.

In another thread by the OP from yesterday:

https://gfy.com/mainstream-business-d...gmail-com.html

Interesting :helpme

Not only will it close your Paypal account, but depending on your jurisdiction Paypal WILL come after you for the balance, either via collections or lawsuit where it's possible.