Beware Affiliates - Is Sextronix fucking you too? [screenshots]
 

This post is me bitching about Sextronix -- a program that I want to love again. I have made decent money with them in the past, and they have always paid on time. So tonight I was going to dust off my links and start promoting them again. That is... until I looked closer at the shit they're pullin'.

Screenshots below.

1. ALL consoles automatically steal your surfer by overwriting your code -- EVEN if the console is not clicked. Bottom line... if the console pops, you are fucked. For example, they have a new Black Friday console that fucks you every single time. No mercy.
2. Even if you turn off consoles in your link they still pop fairly frequently (when the surfer backs out of the join page). It's nice that Sextronix allows you to disable consoles. But even when disabled, I still see them pop occasionally. About 1:25 or so?
3. There are serious leaks on the tours.
4. There are serious leaks on many of the join pages.
5. If a surfer follows one of the leaks, your code will be overwritten -- almost guaranteed.
6. Once Sextronix has overwritten your affiliate code, you're fucked. They DO NOT overwrite their own cookie. Only yours. So even if your surfer closes the tab, goes back to your site, and re-clicks your link... You're still fucked.
7. The "actionsignup" cookie is the one in question. (In case someone wants to research it themselves.)

As I said above... I want to like Sextronix. But after seeing this shit, I'll be avoiding them until they fix it. They promise "NO SHAVE" but based on these tests -- well, I'll let you be the judge.

https://i.imgur.com/4bWmaPC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IkJxJxi.jpg

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For the record, I made this post for 2 reasons.

1. They lied. When I asked them about this stuff, they promised the leaks wouldn't fuck up the cookies. But I can demonstrate time after time, that they do (because of the consoles). They also claim that you can completely disable the consoles. In my tests, that is false - especially when clicking through the leaks.
2. I believe this is a New Age for porn. Old-school porn networks CANNOT and WILL NOT survive by doing old-school shit. They MUST stop fucking over their members (and their affiliates) to gain immediate profits.
   
   There are too many legit companies who are doing things the "right" way. Say what you want about MindGeek, but you can get PornHub Premium for $95/year. Free Week. $9.99 rebill. No hidden fees. No bullshit. Throw in their free Roku app and they are a whisper away from becoming the defacto Netflix of Porn.
   
   They are thinking long-term. They are focused on making members happy for years, not minutes.
   And if companies like Sextronix continue with this shifty bullshit, they will continue to lose affiliates -- and they will continue to disappear. Adapt of die, folks! :2 cents:

Last thought... Anyone want to wager how long it will take Sextronix to remove the cookie information from those join pages? If they are interested in transparency, and if they want to prove that they really are "NO SHAVE" they'll leave it there so we can check it anytime.

doesn't sound good...

That's seriously bad for business. Awaiting their reply here. No problem with pulling their links as they are kind of outdated and old and not refreshing.

Interesting... curious about their reply. It's a good explanation for the low sales ratio.

Ouch :Oh crap

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

Times are hard ...

please add example ref-links ...

That's not good. :(

Old school sponsors of this kind were always shady. Running 100 cookie-cutter paysites means those sites can't be good quality and such a business is only a money generating tool designed to rip surfers off as much as possible.

You can only administrate a handful of sites, be dedicated to take care of their customers and do quality updates for them. I have seen member areas of so many old school sponsors I know what they are all like. They all suck.

It's a scam, plain and simple.

Wait, you mean a company who rips off your surfers for as much as they can is now ripping off webmasters as well?

Oh crap that sucks man. I feel so sorry for you guys

:1orglaugh

links pulled, shit list updated.

I very much appreciate this information op.

links pulled, awaiting explanations

I pulled my links long time ago!

Jesus..... I just added few promo from sextronix yesterday :upsidedow .

Waiting for their reply about this ..... :error

So no word from Sextronix until now?

perhaps they are not on here all the time ?:2 cents:

check it op i was told it is now fixed

Hi XSAXS,

Thanks for your post - I appreciate you bringing your concerns to the forefront and hopefully I have addressed them all thoroughly for you below. I can’t say that a negative post is useful, but in your previous thread regarding us you questioned if we were still alive. A second thread with the floor as an opportunity to speak about our product only confirms that we are indeed, alive.



Right now we are in the midst of a large changeover, this changeover will apply to ALL of our sites and programs. During this time of change there are fixes that come along with all of it. This migration period may bring some bugs, our QA team is working hard to resolve them and we appreciate affiliate's cooperation if they discover any unusual behaviour that they notify us right away. We apologize for any inconvenience during this time as we are upgrading systems that we have been working with for 18 years.

On the positive side we have lots of exciting stuff underway - we will be making a public post once everything has been done.

1. This issue has been addressed - there is no over ride at all for any pops of any kind - this includes the promo pop you have shown on your screenshot.

2. We were unable to reproduce this issue, we have had several people test it - both in and out of the office. Without seeing it ourselves we are not able to address this concern further. - please message one of us directly on Skype.

3. This was related to affiliate ID overriding (please refer to point 1.) This issue has been resolved and there is no leak. Even if the surfer selects the bonus sites the affiliate ID will carry over and your commission will be assigned correctly.

4. We could not reproduce this one either. Other site thumbs on joins are always paid if the user joins from another site. Cookies are universal, however we will try to reproduce for all conditions and until then we switched off links on them.



5. Please refer to all the above points.

6. We are not overriding any affiliate ID or cookie which means the commission and surfer are yours.

7. As explained above - the cookie issue has been resolved.

If I match your information on GFY in our system, not sure if it is you but we have a webmaster with the username XSAXS. It looks like you haven’t pushed any traffic since June of 2015 (you did mention you are not promoting our products) hopefully with the above mentioned information you choose us again. If you have anything further to speak about message one of us on Skype and we would be happy to talk about any other questions you have.

Is Sextronix getting consulting from 12clicks?

You're welcome. See my comments below.

I call bullshit. You may indeed be working on a complete overhaul. But I've been watching you do shit like this for years. That's why I pulled my links a long time ago. It has just gotten worse over time. And during my tests last night, it was obvious that one wrong move (or back button click) would result in having my cookie obliterated -- every. single. time.

That sounds exciting. Honestly looking forward to it. But you'd better be squeaky clean about it, because we'll all be watching.

EDIT - EDIT - EDIT - EDIT:
Just finished a basic test. Holy fuck. Based on what I'm seeing, you guys are either wildly incompetent or blatantly lying to everyone reading this thread.

Your statement is 100% FALSE!
I just reproduced the console / cookie overwrite in 3 clicks. Happening exactly as detailed earlier. What would possess you to come in here claiming to have fixed it when it's so demonstrably NOT fixed?

https://i.imgur.com/5OmS9yN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TzYQMls.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WoiuCbI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WmaeisP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Mo6Re72.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EdJYX8i.jpg

You had several people test it!? Do they even know how to Internet? My screenshots above detail exactly how to reproduce it in 3 clicks. Actually, in this test with AllHotLesbians, the console pops 100% of the time when the back button is clicked. YMMV, but that's what I experienced in Chrome just now.

Wrong again. 100% FALSE.
I didn't take time to screenshot it, but anyone can see for themselves. Here are the step-by-steps... (Note: affiliate code is not mine, and the single 5 in the URL is supposed to mean No Consoles.)

1. Go to Free Hardcore Lesbian Fucking Videos, Girl on Girl XXX Action Movies
2. Click through to any of the sites in the bottom bar -- for example, FreeTeenPassport.
3. You may or may not get the BlackFriday Console. If you do, don't click it. X it out instead. I *think* they fixed that particular console so that it doesn't automatically hijack your cookie, but I'm not sure yet.
4. Click "Create Free Account" button.
5. Scroll to the bottom and note that there is no cookie listed at the very bottom of the page, but the actionsignup cookie IS set in your browser.
6. Click the back button and watch for a console. That console overwrites your cookie every single time -- even if it's not clicked.
7. Even though we selected NO CONSOLES, we leaked through to a different site and now the consoles are active.
8. Once the console has popped, you can verify that the cookie has been changed by clicking the "Create Free Account" button again.
9. Scroll all the way to the bottom and you can see the cookie has been changed to 15673
10. And now that it's changed, it's permanent. Even if the surfer closes all of his tabs, and goes back to your site, and re-clicks any of your Sextronix links, it doesn't matter. That surfer now has the permanent 15673 cookie, and you're fucked.
11. Test it for yourself. It's obvious as can be.

"Could not reproduce?!" Again... are you intentionally deceiving us or just that incompetent? The cookies may be universal, but what does that matter if they get overwritten so easily? Every time the surfer exits the join form? The only truly "Universal" cookie that I've seen is 15673. It nevvver gets overwritten. The only way to get rid of 15673 is to manually delete it in the browser.

As I've demonstrated, both of these claims are utter bullshit. Anyone can test it for themselves. "No Shave" my ass.

Seriously. Honestly. Get your shit together, and I'll try you again. But only after some extreme scrutiny. :2 cents:

Let the test sales commence

so test them again anyhow. 2018 is almost here, brush off the Christmas tree and get ready for the new year. giving a shit about what the flow on an offer is a dead topic. I do not care, and you should not care.

the only thing that matters is how much money you are making per click.

if I see the EPC on an offer drop too much, or spike too much, I talk to the sponsor and find out what is wrong.

I give no fucks about anything else. I am here to make money with my traffic.

someone can pay me $20 a join or $200 a join, they can pay me 25% or 75% revshare, I dont give a shit about the payout, it is irrelevant.

earning per click is the only thing that matters. we do business with sextronics and their support and service is always on point. they pay on time, and we send them the traffic that performs on their offers. your mileage may vary

Cheers Sean - I appreciate your post and feedback, your points are very valid. We are lucky to have long standing relationships with allot of our affiliates, some we would even call family.

Please do test yourself and as mentioned in my initial post - be sure to message us directly if there is anything you notice that seems strange, we will address it right away.

Bullshit! From my own limited testing,
* initial console pop, no click, no overwrite of affiliate ID
* initial console pop, click, overwrite of affiliate ID with 15673
* console pop after clicking back button on join page, no click, overwrite of affiliate ID with 15673
* there are lots of traffic leaks
* cross sales on the tours don't pass the affiliate ID
* once 15673 is set, it can't be overwritten with a click from an affiliate link

Did you clear the cache on your machine OP? After so much testing maybe you need to reboot?

Yes, of course. It's not hard to test this... delete the cookie... test again... delete the cookie... test again... Switch to FireFox... run all the same tests... same thing every time.

I know what I'm doing.

Any monkey could test it for themselves if they'll just follow the steps above. That's why it's so infuriating for Cassandram to say, "they couldn't reproduce the problem."

Clearly InfoGuy is seeing the same results on his end.

This is old-school thinking. Clearly you enjoy the word "revolution." Well the new revolution is in making members happy and keeping them in your fold for as long as possible.

Years. Not minutes.

Engagement ... Authority ... Influence ... Ecosystem ... User Experience ... this is the future.

Google
Apple
Amazon
YouTube
Hulu
Netflix
Pornhub

They're all thinking long term.

If you're focused on EPC, then you're not focused on LCV. A costly mistake. :2 cents:

Yep. Agreed. Their service and payments have always been top notch. But I will not promote them if they're fucking me over -- even if they have nice, friendly smiles on their faces.

Gotcha. Sorry I did not read the entire thread. That sucks man. I used to have Datetronix in my Members Areas as an upsell but removed them after some members complained.

Your willingness to promote them again even after all this if they play clean is admirable. :)

What were the complaints?

OP sounds legit, complaint is fully rightful, reply by Sextronix sounds bullshit.
Sextronix is on my blacklist now :(
WTF :(

I signed up on this free offer and got fucked royally for $150 after 3 days!!!!


I am surprised you guys are wondering why this company would screw over anyone.

They would sell their own mother if she'd be worth anything :2 cents:

:1orglaugh

I might know a few things about lifetime member values and revenue. Old school ideas, maybe... I?m old.

Once again, EPC.

I can attribute a click over any amount of time. I can track the value of that click. I?m not sure what performance indicator your interested in. I?m interested in how much revenue comes from that click. It?s the reason I like companies like sextronics.... but I also like aliexpress

I don?t care as much about what someone does after I send them the click, as much as I care about how much they are paying me for the click.... but once again, I?m old :)

?????? :1orglaugh

Sounds good, dude. You do you. Stick your entire head up Sextronix ass if you want. They'll keep you warm and cozy in there while they shave your joins and card-rape your surfers.

I will admit -- for years I ignored the card banging and justified it away.
"The surfer should read the fine print for himself ... Fucking idiot deserves it."

$35+ for a "free" signup was just too tempting, and I didn't care.

But this ain't 2007 any more. And I'm done with that shit for good. This thread (and particularly cassandram's lame response) cemented it for me. I'm thinking long term. I'm thinking big.

But whatever, man.

You do you.

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I have bad experience with Sextronix as well. They wanted to play smart asses

Shill much Richard @ Sextronix ???

Seriously, that's all you got?

You come in here with a sophomoric attempt at humor, and without an explanation? Without verifiable proof that you've corrected the problems?

I've documented that with 3 clicks anyone can prove your famous "NO SHAVE" promise is pure bullshit. I've documented that you are blatantly OVERWRITING affiliate cookies with another affiliate code.

And you're trying to crack jokes?

:1orglaugh