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TheDynasty 12-06-2017 11:40 AM

Trump about to cause termoil by Recognizing Jerusalem as Israels Capitol
 
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital on Wednesday and announced plans to relocate the US Embassy there, a move expected to inflame tensions in the region and unsettle the prospects for peace.

"I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel," Trump said from White House's Diplomatic Reception Room. "After more than two decades of waivers, we are no closer to a lasting peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians."
The move signaled a willingness on Trump's part to prioritize fulfilling a campaign promise over the consensus among US allies in the region and beyond that the decision could stymie the peace process and increase security risks in a region that is already on edge.
"Today, I am delivering," Trump said, referencing his campaign promise.

Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital - CNNPolitics

mineistaken 12-06-2017 11:45 AM

Simply recognized the reality. Senates (both democrat and republicans) were for it as well (in case libbies tries to go "republicans", "right wing" etc).
Stalling on this issue had no results.

Beautifully explained (watch before posting):


Markul 12-06-2017 12:07 PM

It IS Israel's capitol.

mineistaken 12-06-2017 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul (Post 22103364)
It IS Israel's capitol.

Yeah, that is simply just stating the fact. Some would prefer ignoring the truth to "feel better".

GFED 12-06-2017 01:07 PM

bleh....

Sarn 12-06-2017 01:12 PM


NewNick 12-06-2017 02:03 PM

Why ????

Robbie 12-06-2017 02:09 PM

Just heard a guy on one of the news channels quip:
The U.S. govt has been searching for the capital of Israel for 70 years...turns out it was in Jerusalem the entire time. lol

mineistaken 12-06-2017 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 22103616)
Why ????


Sarn 12-06-2017 02:39 PM

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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mineistaken 12-06-2017 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 22103709)

Trumpah Ahbar :pimp

Rochard 12-06-2017 03:26 PM

I failed to understand the point in any of this. Like everything else Trump does, it's like he makes a decision based on "what is the worst thing to do". There is no up side to this, and only bad things will come from it.

Robbie 12-06-2017 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22103787)
I failed to understand the point in any of this. Like everything else Trump does, it's like he makes a decision based on "what is the worst thing to do". There is no up side to this, and only bad things will come from it.

And yet the Senate just voted UNANIMOUSLY to do it. Every Senator...Democrat and Republican.

And they do it every year.

Why would they do that Rochard, if it's so bad? And why would we continue to act delusional and pretend that we don't know Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel?

If you really think about it...it's stupid to pretend that we don't know Jerusalem is the capital. Especially when every world leader goes to JERUSALEM to meet with Israeli leaders in the capital.
And while every country has their Embassy in Tel Aviv...they don't do anything there. They all drive to JERUSALEM to their respective consul buildings and do their ambassador work there.

It's like a giant hallucination in effect there. lol

Can you imagine how stupid it would be if all country's moved their embassy's out of Washington D.C. to Atlanta and declared the U.S. didn't even have a capital?

You do know that EVERY President in modern times promised to do this during the campaigns to get elected (they LIED).
Including your hero President Obama and non-President Hillary Clinton.

I'm guessing that if President Obama had actually kept his word and had the balls to do the right thing on this...you would be praising it to the sky's (as would the media).

But of course it's Trump. So it's automatically EVIL. :(

CaptainHowdy 12-06-2017 05:07 PM


Acepimp 12-07-2017 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22103787)
I failed to understand the point in any of this. Like everything else Trump does, it's like he makes a decision based on "what is the worst thing to do". There is no up side to this, and only bad things will come from it.

What bad things will this cause? Please explain

lock 12-07-2017 12:42 AM

I can see some logic to this. To theorize why may give up the game.

pimpmaster9000 12-07-2017 01:24 AM

in 1948 jews made up less than 1/3 of the population of the territory called palestine...a huge number of them were refugees...huge <---this

colonial powers decided to gift away land that did not belong to them...these same colonial powers did not want the jews on their own land...fuck no...

then came the jews and told the palestines "according to our holy books our ancestors own this, move the fuck out"

the palestines were bad sports about their land being gifted away by people who do not even own it on account of something written in some holy book...

then the jews started to complain how the whole arab world around them was being a bad sport about colonial powers gifting away land that does not belong to them...they were like "we got this land gifted and now we want peace and status quo LOL"

70 years later some fuckboy from the USA and a professionally morally corrupt senate decide to strike the final nail in the coffin of any chances of israeli-palestinian peace...they recognize the stolen land of jerusalem as property of the minority that got land gifted...

the palestinians are really being bad sports about this if you ask americans...oh and keep refugees out of the USA :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

fucking hilarious...

anyway the moral of the story is: nuke the fuck up...

NewNick 12-07-2017 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22104480)
What bad things will this cause? Please explain

Well that ranks up there with one of the stupidest questions ever asked.

Are you really that uninformed about international politics ?

:disgust

Sarn 12-07-2017 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 22103760)
Trumpah Ahbar :pimp

:thumbsup :1orglaugh
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22103787)
I failed to understand the point in any of this. Like everything else Trump does, it's like he makes a decision based on "what is the worst thing to do". There is no up side to this, and only bad things will come from it.

Deus le volt! - God wills it! :1orglaugh
Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22104525)
fucking hilarious...
anyway the moral of the story is: nuke the fuck up...

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:1orglaugh

Sarn 12-07-2017 05:16 AM

Clashes in Bethlehem following Trump’s ‘Jerusalem move’
https://www.facebook.com/RTnews/vide...6241479479411/

bronco67 12-07-2017 06:36 AM

Hey.. you guys know that Obama had already recognized Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel?

"Any negotiated agreement between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, he said, “must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state with secure, recognized, defensible borders. And Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided.”

he just chose not to move the embassy for security reasons...because you know, he actually weighs the pros and cons of an action. many lives will be lost on both sides over this decision. For what? Because Jared Kushner asked him?

Rochard 12-07-2017 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22103946)
And yet the Senate just voted UNANIMOUSLY to do it. Every Senator...Democrat and Republican.

And they do it every year.

Why would they do that Rochard, if it's so bad? And why would we continue to act delusional and pretend that we don't know Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel?

If you really think about it...it's stupid to pretend that we don't know Jerusalem is the capital. Especially when every world leader goes to JERUSALEM to meet with Israeli leaders in the capital.
And while every country has their Embassy in Tel Aviv...they don't do anything there. They all drive to JERUSALEM to their respective consul buildings and do their ambassador work there.

It's like a giant hallucination in effect there. lol

Can you imagine how stupid it would be if all country's moved their embassy's out of Washington D.C. to Atlanta and declared the U.S. didn't even have a capital?

You do know that EVERY President in modern times promised to do this during the campaigns to get elected (they LIED).
Including your hero President Obama and non-President Hillary Clinton.

I'm guessing that if President Obama had actually kept his word and had the balls to do the right thing on this...you would be praising it to the sky's (as would the media).

But of course it's Trump. So it's automatically EVIL. :(

It's a little bit more complicated than that, don't you think?

It seems Israel occupied Jerusalem in 1967 by force, and in 1980 declared it the capital of Israel by creating a new national law. However, in 1980, the UN declared this law "null and void". At the same time, the international community, including the US, officially regards East Jerusalem as occupied territory. All embassies are based in Tel Aviv and always have been.

You said "And why would we continue to act delusional and pretend that we don't know Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel?" but the reality is no one accepts Jerusalem has the capital of Israel.

This isn't about how evil Trump is, or my "hero" Obama, etc. This is about common sense. If Obama did this I would say the same thing. This makes no sense, everyone has their embassies in Tel Aviv, this is going to cost us hundreds of millions of dollars, and it's going to going to piss off a lot of people.

Martin 12-07-2017 07:26 AM

Haha because of Trump? The middle east is and has always been a hell hole. I wouldnt give 2 shits if was wiped of the face of the earth.

directfiesta 12-07-2017 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22104480)
What bad things will this cause? Please explain

Maybe ask your state department ?

Quote:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is asking Israel to temper its response to the U.S. recognition of Jerusalem as its capital because Washington expects a backlash and is weighing the potential threat to U.S. facilities and people, according to a State Department document seen by Reuters on Wednesday.

"While I recognize that you will publicly welcome this news, I ask that you restrain your official response," the document dated Dec. 6 said in talking points for diplomats at the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv to convey to Israeli officials.

"We expect there to be resistance to this news in the Middle East and around the world. We are still judging the impact this decision will have on U.S. facilities and personnel overseas," the document said.

A second State Department document seen by Reuters, which was also dated Dec. 6, said the agency had formed an internal task force "to track worldwide developments" following the U.S. decision on Jerusalem.
:1orglaugh

Acepimp 12-07-2017 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 22104606)
Well that ranks up there with one of the stupidest questions ever asked.

Are you really that uninformed about international politics ?

:disgust

No, I'm more informed than 99% of you idiots. My question was specifically designed to bait you into giving the responses that you did. It sounds like people are worried about backlash. Backlash from whom, exactly? Are you afraid Muslims will get violent? But I thought that was the religion of peace?? Hey dumbasses, Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. People need to accept this fact before there can be any peace. Just like Trump said.

Paul Markham 12-07-2017 08:51 AM

The danger is it will damage the peace talks. What peace talks are they? Muslims and Jews will never make peace. Jerusalem was a Jewish City until it was seized by an invading army of Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_...636–637)

The Crusades tried to retake it. Now Jewish military might has might has triumphed. If you live by the sword you die by the sword. Muslims are bitching over the facts they can't organize an invasion force again. Well, not an effective one. The US taxpayers helped build the one they have.

Paul Markham 12-07-2017 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22105002)
It's a little bit more complicated than that, don't you think?

It seems Israel occupied Jerusalem in 1967 by force, and in 1980 declared it the capital of Israel by creating a new national law. However, in 1980, the UN declared this law "null and void". At the same time, the international community, including the US, officially regards East Jerusalem as occupied territory. All embassies are based in Tel Aviv and always have been.

You said "And why would we continue to act delusional and pretend that we don't know Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel?" but the reality is no one accepts Jerusalem has the capital of Israel.

This isn't about how evil Trump is, or my "hero" Obama, etc. This is about common sense. If Obama did this I would say the same thing. This makes no sense, everyone has their embassies in Tel Aviv, this is going to cost us hundreds of millions of dollars, and it's going to going to piss off a lot of people.

In 636?637 Islam invaded the Jewish capital of Jerusalem. Who have a greater claim.

https://www.mq.edu.au/__data/assets/...ern-Israel.png

Can you see how the liberals want to delete the truth? They missed out the Muslim Invasion.

Bladewire 12-07-2017 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22105188)
The danger is it will damage the peace talks. What peace talks are they? Muslims and Jews will never make peace. Jerusalem was a Jewish City until it was seized by an invading army of Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_...alem_(636?637)

The Crusades tried to retake it. Now Jewish military might has might has triumphed. If you live by the sword you die by the sword. Muslims are bitching over the facts they can't organize an invasion force again. Well, not an effective one. The US taxpayers helped build the one they have.

Trump wants people to die in conflict it makes his small ego & little hands feel powerful

Acepimp 12-07-2017 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22105218)
Trump wants people to die in conflict it makes his small ego & little hands feel powerful

How are you THIS uninformed? :1orglaugh




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Bladewire 12-07-2017 11:42 AM

^^ Fake nic

Rochard 12-07-2017 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22105215)
In 636?637 Islam invaded the Jewish capital of Jerusalem. Who have a greater claim.

https://www.mq.edu.au/__data/assets/...ern-Israel.png

Can you see how the liberals want to delete the truth? They missed out the Muslim Invasion.

Not at all. What happened in 637 is hardly relevant.

If a country - or a race - has been in place in a city for over a thousand years, that is pretty much that.

Rochard 12-07-2017 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22103946)
And yet the Senate just voted UNANIMOUSLY to do it. Every Senator...Democrat and Republican.

And they do it every year.

Can you show me where they vote on this "every year"? All I can find is a law passed in 1995.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22103946)
You do know that EVERY President in modern times promised to do this during the campaigns to get elected (they LIED).
Including your hero President Obama and non-President Hillary Clinton.

In fact, no.... According to law passed in 1995, there is a provision to postpone this "move" simply by the President signing a wavier. Presidents Clinton, Bush, and Obama signed this waiver every six months. Trump also signed this waiver.

The United Nations passed a resolution saying they do not Jerusalem as their capital, nor do any of the other countries accept Jerusalem as the capital.

This isn't like suddenly saying Washington DC is no longer our capital, but instead the United States invading Mexico, occupying Tijuana, and suddenly declaring Tijuana is our capital. I understand Israel wants Jerusalem to be their capital, but it's an occupied city, and they only occupy half of it.

pimpmaster9000 12-07-2017 01:15 PM

Nuke up or get fucked by the west...

Sarn 12-07-2017 01:29 PM

>The Crusades tried to retake it
The Crusades - it was responding to Muslim jihad(war spread Islam - terrorism) which was before

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Robbie 12-07-2017 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22105002)
It's a little bit more complicated than that, don't you think?

No. The Senate voted UNANIMOUSLY again this year to do it. That means ALL the Democrats (your hero's) voted to do it.

EVERY Presidential candidate in modern times has vowed to do it.
Only Trump actually told the truth and DID what he promised.

It's not more complicated than that.

As for your dissertation on Jerusalem... as usual you are completely UN-informed.
Jerusalem was split in half in 1947 after WW2. Half to Israel (which became their capital) and half to JORDAN.

In the 6 day war of 1967 Israel captured ALL of that territory.

Jerusalem is the capital. You can say you don't "like" that. But it's a FACT and has been since 1947.

Jerusalem is one of the oldest cities in the world Rochard. And it's been captured and held by different people's 44 times over thousands of years. It's even been completely destroyed twice.

Lots of people can claim ancient possession of the city.
Just like Native Americans can theoretically claim ancient possession of your house.

But to the winners go the spoils.

Maybe if Germany had won WW2 instead of us...then none of this would be happening right now as there would be no Israel.
But we won. Get over it.

Robbie 12-07-2017 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22105590)

And there you go!
Bush and Obama LYING THEIR ASSES OFF.

Trump actually did what they lied and didn't do.

But yeah...it's a "Bad" idea now that it's Trump.

The media was praising it when Obama said he would do it. Hypocrisy...

Paul Markham 12-08-2017 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22105671)
Not at all. What happened in 637 is hardly relevant.

If a country - or a race - has been in place in a city for over a thousand years, that is pretty much that.

If only America and the UK had thought that when they gave Israel to European Jews. We would all be better off.

Paul Markham 12-08-2017 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22105218)
Trump wants people to die in conflict it makes his small ego & little hands feel powerful

Not as much as the Muslims who do the killings.

Personally, I think the US should cut all funding to Isreal. They continue to steal lands, ignore the UN and should be forced into giving more away to the Palestinians. But that does not change the fact that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel where Embassies need to be.

This is just paper and terrorists need no excuses to do the unexcusable.

NewNick 12-08-2017 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22105080)
No, I'm more informed than 99% of you idiots. My question was specifically designed to bait you into giving the responses that you did.

Yes dear you are so well informed.

Clown.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Acepimp 12-08-2017 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 22106868)
Yes dear you are so well informed.

Yes, I know that. Shouldn't you be at the gay porn set? The stars need their fluffer, don't be late :1orglaugh


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