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Rochard 11-12-2019 06:19 PM

The one thing that has changed our industry
 
Our industry has changed in ways most of us cannot imagine...

When I first started in this industry.... Before you even thought about taking your first picture you have to design, build, and then maintain a computer (very difficult in the 1990s), then build a website (leaning HTML, server management), shooting content (Some of us scanned photos in by hand, and then for video we had to purchase and install special video cards), then get the traffic, then do the marketing, and then handle the affiliates... While talking girls into posing naked for cash.

It was expensive too. I remember spending $500 on a single hard drive - and getting a free "zipp drive" along with it.

These days... People who couldn't program the time on their VCR twenty years ago can build a website on their cell phone with little effort.

It's gotten too easy.

sadiedazzle 11-12-2019 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22560178)
Our industry has changed in ways most of us cannot imagine...

When I first started in this industry.... Before you even thought about taking your first picture you have to design, build, and then maintain a computer (very difficult in the 1990s), then build a website (leaning HTML, server management), shooting content (Some of us scanned photos in by hand, and then for video we had to purchase and install special video cards), then get the traffic, then do the marketing, and then handle the affiliates... While talking girls into posing naked for cash.

It was expensive too. I remember spending $500 on a single hard drive - and getting a free "zipp drive" along with it.

These days... People who couldn't program the time on their VCR twenty years ago can build a website on their cell phone with little effort.

It's gotten too easy.

However, I did make 7 figures out of a 1500 dollar point and shoot Olympus 3030

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AWoAA...N4M/s-l300.jpg

Goethe 11-12-2019 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22560178)

These days... People who couldn't program the time on their VCR twenty years ago can build a website on their cell phone with little effort.

It's gotten too easy.

Three words: content, content, content

just a punk 11-12-2019 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22560178)
When I first started in this industry.... Before you even thought about taking your first picture you have to design, build, and then maintain a computer (very difficult in the 1990s)

What? Did you say it was difficult? Even my wife was able to assemble a PC in 90s. A girl with economical degree.

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22560178)
then build a website (leaning HTML, server management)

That's not true again. There were many visual Web editors like m$ Frontpage and others. No HTML knowledge was needed to make a website.

SilentKnight 11-12-2019 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22560178)
Our industry has changed in ways most of us cannot imagine...

When I first started in this industry.... Before you even thought about taking your first picture you have to design, build, and then maintain a computer (very difficult in the 1990s), then build a website (leaning HTML, server management), shooting content (Some of us scanned photos in by hand, and then for video we had to purchase and install special video cards), then get the traffic, then do the marketing, and then handle the affiliates... While talking girls into posing naked for cash.

It was expensive too. I remember spending $500 on a single hard drive - and getting a free "zipp drive" along with it.

These days... People who couldn't program the time on their VCR twenty years ago can build a website on their cell phone with little effort.

It's gotten too easy.

And then there are those of us who painfully remember setting up Renegade (or whatever BBS software you found easiest to manage) to run local adult bulletin boards. Our KastleArchives.com existed as a BDSM BBS that pre-dated the 'net.

Granted, we weren't producing our own content at the time. Digital cameras were still a few years away and we didn't have the resources to do film.

Zip drives, geez...I remember those. We even had an HP Colorado travan tape drive at one point. But I still remember building our first PC-XT system with a 20mb HD and 640K of RAM. Twin 5 1/4" floppy drives. 2400baud Zoltrix modem which we eventually upgraded to a 14.4 USRobotics card.

The capabilities of the S10 Galaxy I carry these days would've been unimaginable back then. As you say, so much easier these days for a monkey to use a smartphone to do all the things it took an entire desk workstation filled with hardware.

Sly 11-12-2019 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22560234)
What? Did you say it was difficult? Even my wife was able to assemble a PC in 90s. A girl with economical degree.



That's not true again. There were many visual Web editors like m$ Frontpage and others. No HTML knowledge was needed to make a website.

I learned HTML by breaking down AOLPress.

american pervert 11-12-2019 10:28 PM

i remember getting a 4 gig hard drive and wondering how i was ever going to fill it up.

ruff 11-12-2019 11:10 PM

I remember building web pages with Notepad, then Navisoft with Netscape Navigator. Built my first mainstream site in 1995. Frontpage just loaded up shit by the pound. Possibly the worst html editor ever.

Beaver1 11-12-2019 11:53 PM

I just remember the spankings i got from my dad after the first monthly internet bill landet in his mailbox.
(converted about 1600 Euro)

3 Euro per hour for the 150 km long distance call to reach to only aol access point in my state and additional, 3 Euro aol fees per hour.

EddyTheDog 11-13-2019 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by american pervert (Post 22560240)
i remember getting a 4 gig hard drive and wondering how i was ever going to fill it up.

That makes me feel old. I remember trying to explain to my mum why she would never fill up a 20MB drive...

lock 11-13-2019 02:35 AM

I jumped in deep end with dedicated server and no clue and faired better knowing nothing. I moved onto other projects but any sort of effort now starting requires a lot of knowledge and a lot more hard work to get a result.
My old crew have moved on or passed on.. Rip sad now

CurrentlySober 11-13-2019 03:02 AM

I go back a bit further, with a bank of 20 or so VCRs built into shelves and wired together along with signal boosters and an even more expensive 'playback only motherdeck' to hold the mastertape... Then you had 'Shipping' on Tuesdays & Thursdays when you just spent all day applying labels and sending them out via Royal mail in discreet packaging.

This was in the days when a single decent VCR went for over £500 ($700) and the fine for sending 'obscene material' through the post was in the region of £30,000 ($42,500) and a minimum of 6 months to a year in Prison...

That's when it was 'hard'... The web came along, and it was simply another place to advertise your mail order VHS tapes :upsidedow

Thats without the costs of the initial tapes themselves, the camera to shoot the content on, and the girls were paid a lot better then, than they are now !

Kelli58 11-13-2019 04:06 AM

It may have gotten easier to build sites, but that doesn't mean shit. You still have to put in the work to be a success. Build it and they come doesn't work.

el_mago 11-13-2019 04:12 AM

"design, build and maintain a computer" rochard the architect / annoying boomer has moved on from repeating his marine service to repeating about him assembling his computers being a big deal, something many of us were doing in our early teens

Klen 11-13-2019 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22560234)
What? Did you say it was difficult? Even my wife was able to assemble a PC in 90s. A girl with economical degree.



She is a Russian, so that does not count, as every Russian girl have tech skills :upsidedow

CurrentlySober 11-13-2019 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ruff (Post 22560244)
Frontpage just loaded up shit by the pound...

i miss frontpage... :(

8pt-buck 11-13-2019 05:31 AM

Let's not forget BHI / Yahoo's GeoCities where many of today's old school webmasters began.

thommy 11-13-2019 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22560178)
Our industry has changed in ways most of us cannot imagine...

When I first started in this industry.... Before you even thought about taking your first picture you have to design, build, and then maintain a computer (very difficult in the 1990s), then build a website (leaning HTML, server management), shooting content (Some of us scanned photos in by hand, and then for video we had to purchase and install special video cards), then get the traffic, then do the marketing, and then handle the affiliates... While talking girls into posing naked for cash.

It was expensive too. I remember spending $500 on a single hard drive - and getting a free "zipp drive" along with it.

These days... People who couldn't program the time on their VCR twenty years ago can build a website on their cell phone with little effort.

It's gotten too easy.

thousand years ago they had a medicine man
later there have been doctors that studied medicine
now you have specialists for ears, heart, bones etc...and even they need other specialists to handle the equipment or invent new and more powerful equipment.

every biz that is promising profits will be sooner or later occupied by specialists and while they compete with each other they will come up with new technologies that need new optimizations.

amateur biz can be handled by amateur because they calculate far before the comma. professionals count far after the comma and make the profits with mass.

yuu.design 11-13-2019 06:08 AM

Yeah, things are a bit easier now

CurrentlySober 11-13-2019 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22560178)
Before you even thought about taking your first picture you have to design, build, and then maintain a computer (very difficult in the 1990s)

Probably WAS very hard to design, build and maintain a computer... But I didn't do that. I just went out and bought a computer and plugged it in...

Wasn't cheap, but nothing was in those days...

celandina 11-13-2019 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Goethe (Post 22560199)
Three words: content, content, content

Unforunately not too many members here do not understand this ( and very correct) concept. :thumbsup

sadiedazzle 11-13-2019 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelli58 (Post 22560284)
It may have gotten easier to build sites, but that doesn't mean shit. You still have to put in the work to be a success. Build it and they come doesn't work.

It used to. Otherwise, we probably wouldn't be here today.

Rochard 11-13-2019 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sadiedazzle (Post 22560184)
However, I did make 7 figures out of a 1500 dollar point and shoot Olympus 3030

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AWoAA...N4M/s-l300.jpg

At Lightspeed Cash we originally used the Nikon Coolpix... LOL.

https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E.../DSC_0048.jpeg

Rochard 11-13-2019 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 22560236)
And then there are those of us who painfully remember setting up Renegade (or whatever BBS software you found easiest to manage) to run local adult bulletin boards. Our KastleArchives.com existed as a BDSM BBS that pre-dated the 'net.

Granted, we weren't producing our own content at the time. Digital cameras were still a few years away and we didn't have the resources to do film.

Zip drives, geez...I remember those. We even had an HP Colorado travan tape drive at one point. But I still remember building our first PC-XT system with a 20mb HD and 640K of RAM. Twin 5 1/4" floppy drives. 2400baud Zoltrix modem which we eventually upgraded to a 14.4 USRobotics card.

The capabilities of the S10 Galaxy I carry these days would've been unimaginable back then. As you say, so much easier these days for a monkey to use a smartphone to do all the things it took an entire desk workstation filled with hardware.

LOL bulletin boards were just before my time....

SilentKnight 11-13-2019 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22560482)
LOL bulletin boards were just before my time....

Youngsters...pfft.

:winkwink:

The Porn Nerd 11-13-2019 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22560342)
Unforunately not too many members here do not understand this ( and very correct) concept. :thumbsup

Paul Markham? :)

RyuLion 11-13-2019 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by american pervert (Post 22560240)
i remember getting a 4 gig hard drive and wondering how i was ever going to fill it up.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Same here now, it's too easy..

sadiedazzle 11-13-2019 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RyuLion (Post 22560570)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Same here now, it's too easy..

Not even a ten minute vr video

SilentKnight 11-13-2019 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by american pervert (Post 22560240)
i remember getting a 4 gig hard drive and wondering how i was ever going to fill it up.

I remember deleting unnecessary program files in WordPerfect for DOS so it'd save space on my 20mb HD with 640k RAM.

And before that I remember GW Basic command lines to fire up a program before we had a GUI. We eventually designed our own GUI before DOS.

sadiedazzle 11-13-2019 10:18 PM

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Paul Markham 11-14-2019 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22560178)
Our industry has changed in ways most of us cannot imagine...

When I first started in this industry.... Before you even thought about taking your first picture you have to design, build, and then maintain a computer (very difficult in the 1990s), then build a website (leaning HTML, server management), shooting content (Some of us scanned photos in by hand, and then for video we had to purchase and install special video cards), then get the traffic, then do the marketing, and then handle the affiliates... While talking girls into posing naked for cash.

It was expensive too. I remember spending $500 on a single hard drive - and getting a free "zipp drive" along with it.

These days... People who couldn't program the time on their VCR twenty years ago can build a website on their cell phone with little effort.

It's gotten too easy.

If you were a one man band and couldn't afford to hire experts in their different fields.

The problem with the Internet is people who could do the "design, build, maintain a computer, build a website (leaning HTML, server management), get the traffic, then do the marketing, and then handle the affiliates" thought they were skilled pornographers.

Owning the right camera doesn't mean one can shoot content that will convert surfers. Same as owning the right computer doesn't mean you can use it.

lock 11-14-2019 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelli58 (Post 22560284)
It may have gotten easier to build sites, but that doesn't mean shit. You still have to put in the work to be a success. Build it and they come doesn't work.

I used to write it on bottom of my pages.

thommy 11-14-2019 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22560802)
If you were a one man band and couldn't afford to hire experts in their different fields.

The problem with the Internet is people who could do the "design, build, maintain a computer, build a website (leaning HTML, server management), get the traffic, then do the marketing, and then handle the affiliates" thought they were skilled pornographers.

Owning the right camera doesn't mean one can shoot content that will convert surfers. Same as owning the right computer doesn't mean you can use it.

wow - did you really write that ?

eric_wahlberg 11-14-2019 03:43 AM

Sure it is. But, one thing still remains the same selling things.

The problem with It industry is it is easy to enter. Anyone could be your competitor. You just need a laptop, an internet, your buddy programmer ans wola, you have started your own company.

VRModelPhotography 11-14-2019 03:52 AM

I fully agree that it is harder today. However, it isn't all bad.

Let me compare it to model photography (which I have been for 23 years). In the last 2 decades, thanks to digital photography, the number of photographers have exploded. People in the photography business are complaining that digital photography has destroyed the business. I don't believe that, it transformed the business. We are seeing creative work that we did not see in the 90's. "Professional" photographers are outdone by hobbyists and it is driving an evolution. Business-wise, the competition is huge, but people are still making a living. It's only a lot harder to enter and stay in the race. But making money is seldomly easy.

I'm very new to the pornography business (as a creator. hehe), but I have the feeling that the same is true for porn. In the last 20 years, we have seen such an amazing revolution, from internetporn to VR. People are constantly looking for the new niche, which again adds to the porn world.

Paul Markham 11-14-2019 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by VRModelPhotography (Post 22560846)
I fully agree that it is harder today. However, it isn't all bad.

Let me compare it to model photography (which I have been for 23 years). In the last 2 decades, thanks to digital photography, the number of photographers have exploded. People in the photography business are complaining that digital photography has destroyed the business. I don't believe that, it transformed the business. We are seeing creative work that we did not see in the 90's. "Professional" photographers are outdone by hobbyists and it is driving an evolution. Business-wise, the competition is huge, but people are still making a living. It's only a lot harder to enter and stay in the race. But making money is seldomly easy.

I'm very new to the pornography business (as a creator. hehe), but I have the feeling that the same is true for porn. In the last 20 years, we have seen such an amazing revolution, from internetporn to VR. People are constantly looking for the new niche, which again adds to the porn world.

Not sure if you're referring to live models or manufactured ones. The biggest difficulty in porn is knowing the niche you're shooting, the buyer will know it and spot a fake quickly, people looking for a new niche rarely buy into it and you can't base a business on the few who buy, then handling the models. Porn models come in different forms, the few who know what they're doing and let the director be in charge, those who think they know what to do and do it their way and those new to modelling who are clueless and need directing.

Rochard 11-14-2019 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22560802)
If you were a one man band and couldn't afford to hire experts in their different fields.

The problem with the Internet is people who could do the "design, build, maintain a computer, build a website (leaning HTML, server management), get the traffic, then do the marketing, and then handle the affiliates" thought they were skilled pornographers.

Owning the right camera doesn't mean one can shoot content that will convert surfers. Same as owning the right computer doesn't mean you can use it.

But that is what made us "webmasters". I liked computers, I liked making webpages, and I like shooting pictures of naked women. I was shooting pictures of my wife and making webpages when suddenly it all fit into place together...

sadiedazzle 11-14-2019 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22560993)
But that is what made us "webmasters". I liked computers, I liked making webpages, and I like shooting pictures of naked women. I was shooting pictures of my wife and making webpages when suddenly it all fit into place together...

This post is bogus without pictures of your wife.

SilentKnight 11-14-2019 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22560802)
If you were a one man band and couldn't afford to hire experts in their different fields.

The problem with the Internet is people who could do the "design, build, maintain a computer, build a website (leaning HTML, server management), get the traffic, then do the marketing, and then handle the affiliates" thought they were skilled pornographers.

Owning the right camera doesn't mean one can shoot content that will convert surfers. Same as owning the right computer doesn't mean you can use it.

When "experts in their field" expect a disproportionate amount of the overall revenue, one is forced to lean towards being the best one man band they can be.

I've always preferred working my ass off in all the various fields than paying exorbitant compensation to middlemen. I was already proficient with the cameras, post-editing and most aspects of production...meanwhile my wife self-taught herself to html-code while I designed all the web graphics.

The only aspect we third-party contracted was webhosting. And eventually we took that over ourselves.

Marketing was primarily our achilles heel. We did a LOT of marketing and promotion, but we weren't as proficient as we could've been. That was the only area we regret not contracting out.

sadiedazzle 11-14-2019 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 22561103)
When "experts in their field" expect a disproportionate amount of the overall revenue, one is forced to lean towards being the best one man band they can be.

I've always preferred working my ass off in all the various fields than paying exorbitant compensation to middlemen. I was already proficient with the cameras, post-editing and most aspects of production...meanwhile my wife self-taught herself to html-code while I designed all the web graphics.

The only aspect we third-party contracted was webhosting. And eventually we took that over ourselves.

Marketing was primarily our achilles heel. We did a LOT of marketing and promotion, but we weren't as proficient as we could've been. That was the only area we regret not contracting out.

"Expert" suppliers in this biz have always been expensive and have not performed well for us. We have had the most success with hosting ....mojo..(remember when some people had servers in their basements?). Graphics....Yuu. CMS...elevated x. As far as paid traffic and pr? All I can say is live, learn, and don't get fooled again.

However, the number one thing that really changed this biz was adult friendly stable billing. CCBill and Netbilling come to mind. We have been with both since they first started. It was a breath of fresh air after scumbags crashed and burned.


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