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Porno Dan 02-23-2008 12:38 AM

Which Video Companies will go out of business in 2008
 
I have been producing content for nine years. I started out releasing my content on VHS and switched to DVD format in 2002. I released 4 DVD's in January, one DVD this month, and have one more coming out next month. I am leaning towards the idea that this will be the last content that I release on DVD.

I am amazed how many traditional DVD producers and companies have failed to grasp the concept that the DVD business is dead, and that Blu-Ray is not going to save it.

This is from today's AVN.com about Third Degree letting Amy Ried out of her contract.

"We just came to an agreement to go our separate ways," he said. "She had a lot more that she wanted to do; for example, she wants to do a lot more internet, and we?re just not there yet."

Wilson said Third Degree is "finally turning the corner" in its plans for future growth, with an emphasis on hi-def and interactive productions to be released on Blu-ray disc.

"Blu-ray is more conducive to the quality we?re doing [than standard DVD]," said Wilson. "We have four HD DVDs out now, so we?ll reissue those in Blu-ray. We hope to do at least one every other month, between us and [sister studio] Zero Tolerance. We?ll see what the schedule allows."

I wonder how many companies are not going to make the transition to an internet based distribution model and will go out of business in the next year.

seeric 02-23-2008 12:50 AM

blu ray is easily pirated too. jesus, its pretty much a glass master on its own. same goes for hd-dvd which i am sure adult will drop shortly too seeing how the movie guys in hollywood are.

when we gonna hang again dan?

we always have a blast.

seeric 02-23-2008 12:54 AM

another note is there are tons of studios in the valley scrambling for personnel right now trying to go to web. there are not enough internet people to go around.

Porno Dan 02-23-2008 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 13820064)
blu ray is easily pirated too. jesus, its pretty much a glass master on its own. same goes for hd-dvd which i am sure adult will drop shortly too seeing how the movie guys in hollywood are.

when we gonna hang again dan?

we always have a blast.


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seeric 02-23-2008 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 13820073)
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Porno Dan 02-23-2008 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 13820064)
blu ray is easily pirated too. jesus, its pretty much a glass master on its own. same goes for hd-dvd which i am sure adult will drop shortly too seeing how the movie guys in hollywood are.

when we gonna hang again dan?

we always have a blast.

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 13820076)
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tony286 02-23-2008 01:24 AM

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Porno Dan 02-23-2008 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by munki (Post 13820106)
Great write up doodz...

Thanks.

I just can't get over how many companies haven't made the transition to the net.

Rochard 02-23-2008 11:15 AM

DVD is dieing, and we haven't seen the tip of the iceberg yet. Wait until we download entire two hour feature length movies in seconds..... And instnatly stream that to our wide screen TVs. That will be the final nail in the coffin.

teksonline 02-23-2008 11:18 AM

why are you not putting your dvd's on tube sites, thats how you get rich no?

KiraSilver 02-23-2008 11:55 AM

It wasn't long ago that shooting for the internet was looked down upon by both porn stars and their agents.

ninavain 02-23-2008 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 13820051)
I have been producing content for nine years. I started out releasing my content on VHS and switched to DVD format in 2002. I released 4 DVD's in January, one DVD this month, and have one more coming out next month. I am leaning towards the idea that this will be the last content that I release on DVD.

I am amazed how many traditional DVD producers and companies have failed to grasp the concept that the DVD business is dead, and that Blu-Ray is not going to save it.

This is from today's AVN.com about Third Degree letting Amy Ried out of her contract.

"We just came to an agreement to go our separate ways," he said. "She had a lot more that she wanted to do; for example, she wants to do a lot more internet, and we?re just not there yet."

Wilson said Third Degree is "finally turning the corner" in its plans for future growth, with an emphasis on hi-def and interactive productions to be released on Blu-ray disc.

"Blu-ray is more conducive to the quality we?re doing [than standard DVD]," said Wilson. "We have four HD DVDs out now, so we?ll reissue those in Blu-ray. We hope to do at least one every other month, between us and [sister studio] Zero Tolerance. We?ll see what the schedule allows."

I wonder how many companies are not going to make the transition to an internet based distribution model and will go out of business in the next year.


I'd say MOST of the porn companies in LA, that haven't opened their affiliate programs yet, will be hurting for sure

ninavain 02-23-2008 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 13820064)
blu ray is easily pirated too. jesus, its pretty much a glass master on its own. same goes for hd-dvd which i am sure adult will drop shortly too seeing how the movie guys in hollywood are.

when we gonna hang again dan?

we always have a blast.

they have no choice, but to drop HD-DVD, Toshiba is not making those disc anymore

Porno Dan 02-23-2008 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 13821802)
I'd say MOST of the porn companies in LA, that haven't opened their affiliate programs yet, will be hurting for sure


Most of the traditional DVD companies have some type of cash program.

The problem is they have no idea how to market or drive traffic to them.

aico 02-23-2008 08:08 PM

There is a reason why Apple is holding off on putting Blue-rays in their machines... With downloadable HD video (which they sell) why would they want to lose out on that revenue?

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amacontent 02-23-2008 09:02 PM

I DISAGREE 100% that the dvd buisness is dead. My numbers are the best they have ever been and have rose steadily the last 18 months. You gotta know what your doing, use the right talent , right editor , box cover designer.
You cant just shoot a few scenes, slap a box together and think if you dont sell 2500 pieces out the door..oh welll dvds are dead.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 02-23-2008 09:05 PM

You are correct.

the sad thing is there are plenty of adult internet companies that would be glad to work with the content and produce money for the productions and overall continuation.

On Demand Content, DVD, , Cable On Demand, Web Site Subscriptions are the keys and seriously only a few guys got a grasp of that.

In the past few years it has been sad to see a few labels fall off the map that made great porn.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 02-23-2008 09:08 PM

Blu Ray is going to be no savior whats so ever.
Thats impossible at this point.

Jim_Gunn 02-23-2008 09:44 PM

I think that DVDs in some format will be around for a long while and coexist with online downloading and streaming on PPV or VOD. It's competitive but there is still money to be made if you have good movies.

Porno Dan 02-23-2008 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amacontent (Post 13823335)
I DISAGREE 100% that the dvd buisness is dead. My numbers are the best they have ever been and have rose steadily the last 18 months. You gotta know what your doing, use the right talent , right editor , box cover designer.
You cant just shoot a few scenes, slap a box together and think if you dont sell 2500 pieces out the door..oh welll dvds are dead.

We have had this discussion. I know that Juicy is doing a good for you with your product; however, you have to admit that if you didn't use that same content to bring you revenue on the net you would lose money.

You yourself have opened up a cash program within the last year.

It is only a matter of time before more traditional DVD companies go out of business.

Luckily you do not fall into this category, as you shoot for other web based companies, resell your content on the net, and have a cash program.

BT 02-23-2008 10:23 PM

www.videoloveline.com will be in business:winkwink:

jay23 02-23-2008 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 13820069)
another note is there are tons of studios in the valley scrambling for personnel right now trying to go to web. there are not enough internet people to go around.

The problem is that most studios in the valley don't want to spend the money. Internet expertise (programing, marketing, design) is expensive and you can blame the Web 2.0 companies ...its like a dot.com type of environment.

Trying to explain why our VOD software is not $99.95 is the fun part i have with studios who call me.

seeric 02-23-2008 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay23 (Post 13823715)
The problem is that most studios in the valley don't want to spend the money. Internet expertise (programing, marketing, design) is expensive and you can blame the Web 2.0 companies ...its like a dot.com type of environment.

Trying to explain why our VOD software is not $99.95 is the fun part i have with studios who call me.

yup. they think they can get a marketing person to blow up their brand for 45k a year too.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

someone who will make you millions will work for 45k?

not likely.

Porno Dan 02-23-2008 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 13823722)
yup. they think they can get a marketing person to blow up their brand for 45k a year too.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

someone who will make you millions will work for 45k?

not likely.

You are very lucky that you work for one of the few traditional DVD companies that understand your value, yet you are still underpaid in my opinion.

Most traditional DVD company owners can't, or won't educate themselves on the net; as a result, they don't appreciate or understand it.

Sebastian Sands 02-24-2008 12:00 AM

Dan! you have a bad case of ADD?.... hehe. just messin with ya bro.

DVD companies can still make money, a lot of the traditional DVD companies own huge libraries of killer content. But I have to agree that a lot of them do not know how to market this on the web.

For example (and I apologize in advance to anyone who takes this personally) Evil Angel, they have tried it several ways, this company has superb content and could make a killing and blow many others out of the water. But for some reason it is not doing it. I do not know why, maybe webmasters aren't promoting them, maybe their aff program isn't ran the way it should. I have no idea, but fact of the matter is. Unless a DVD company is willing to team up with some of the bigger players on the web it's going to be tough for them.

TT Boy for example, OC Cash and him are a great combo. I am pretty sure that Brandon Iron is doing awesome with Braincash as well.

DVD as a stand alone product is tough, you "might" break even, you need to do a lot more to make money, phone, VOD, paysites etc etc.. whore your content out so to speak.

just my 2 cents

Sebastian

WWC 02-24-2008 12:36 AM

Many studios are coming on board with WWC ..... watch for them soon.... 4 new ones just last week ;-) titles will be available for licensing soon...we will make them happy and webmasters happy for fresh new content.

Sebastian Sands 02-24-2008 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWC-Raffi (Post 13824006)
Many studios are coming on board with WWC ..... watch for them soon.... 4 new ones just last week ;-) titles will be available for licensing soon...we will make them happy and webmasters happy for fresh new content.

No offense to you or your company, but many companies let you sell their titles because they don't know HOW to do what the big aff programs do. if they knew I doubt you would have so many titles. I guess this is good for you. They are using your store to generate some extra cash. If they ever do smart up and decide to open their own sites they will have to fight with their own content that was once exclusive to them.

Sebs

Porno Dan 02-24-2008 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands (Post 13823927)
Dan! you have a bad case of ADD?.... hehe. just messin with ya bro.

DVD companies can still make money, a lot of the traditional DVD companies own huge libraries of killer content. But I have to agree that a lot of them do not know how to market this on the web.

For example (and I apologize in advance to anyone who takes this personally) Evil Angel, they have tried it several ways, this company has superb content and could make a killing and blow many others out of the water. But for some reason it is not doing it. I do not know why, maybe webmasters aren't promoting them, maybe their aff program isn't ran the way it should. I have no idea, but fact of the matter is. Unless a DVD company is willing to team up with some of the bigger players on the web it's going to be tough for them.

TT Boy for example, OC Cash and him are a great combo. I am pretty sure that Brandon Iron is doing awesome with Braincash as well.

DVD as a stand alone product is tough, you "might" break even, you need to do a lot more to make money, phone, VOD, paysites etc etc.. whore your content out so to speak.

just my 2 cents

Sebastian


I totally agree with you.

So my little dutch cupcake, who do you think will close up shop in 2008?

thebossxxx 02-24-2008 01:11 AM

Dvds are a dead dog and sales are down 60% from 3 years ago--

We are lucky that our incredibledigital dvds are selling in the top 10 in the world for our big boob and milf lines, but even though we are at the top we are only making beer money!

Yes I believe many of these dvd companies will either sell, consolidate or go out of business this year! We are in the process of negotiating with some of the largest dvd companies in the world for partnerships and internet paysite rights, because they have no idea how to run paysites...

Wish i had a brighter outlook,,,

Porno Dan 02-24-2008 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebossxxx (Post 13824081)
Dvds are a dead dog and sales are down 60% from 3 years ago--

We are lucky that our incredibledigital dvds are selling in the top 10 in the world for our big boob and milf lines, but even though we are at the top we are only making beer money!

Yes I believe many of these dvd companies will either sell, consolidate or go out of business this year! We are in the process of negotiating with some of the largest dvd companies in the world for partnerships and internet paysite rights, because they have no idea how to run paysites...

Wish i had a brighter outlook,,,

That's for the insight.

I am sure that many DVD based companies would love for a company like yours to manage and run pay sites for them.

The problem is that their a very few cash progams that have the resources to take on the very large number of DVD companies that exisit.

Far-L 02-24-2008 01:31 PM

For as long as I have been in the biz I have seen so many companies come along seem like they were the biggest thing since sliced bread then end up toast. A lot of old school companies that tried to outsource their internet just got burned. Others tried to create internal departments and found it impossible to sort between the glorified reps that really don't have a clue other than posting on message boards and self taught programmers that have ego issues and write code that basically implodes on itself when the volume reaches a certain level.

Sun Tzu once said "victory is living long enough to see the bodies of your enemies floating past in the river".

I say surviving adversity and change is 9/10s of success in any business.

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seeric 02-24-2008 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 13825969)
For as long as I have been in the biz I have seen so many companies come along seem like they were the biggest thing since sliced bread then end up toast. A lot of old school companies that tried to outsource their internet just got burned. Others tried to create internal departments and found it impossible to sort between the glorified reps that really don't have a clue other than posting on message boards and self taught programmers that have ego issues and write code that basically implodes on itself when the volume reaches a certain level.

Sun Tzu once said "victory is living long enough to see the bodies of your enemies floating past in the river".

I say surviving adversity and change is 9/10s of success in any business.

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seeric 02-24-2008 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 13823894)
You are very lucky that you work for one of the few traditional DVD companies that understand your value, yet you are still underpaid in my opinion.

Most traditional DVD company owners can't, or won't educate themselves on the net; as a result, they don't appreciate or understand it.


when i make people money i modify my salary accordingly.

development phases are just the way this business runs. i work in phases. develop. generate revenue, develop, generate revenue. you can never be 100% on and go go go with internet people, they get tired of you.


:thumbsup

i am happy with where i am at for the moment. :thumbsup

jay23 02-24-2008 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 13825969)
For as long as I have been in the biz I have seen so many companies come along seem like they were the biggest thing since sliced bread then end up toast. A lot of old school companies that tried to outsource their internet just got burned. Others tried to create internal departments and found it impossible to sort between the glorified reps that really don't have a clue other than posting on message boards and self taught programmers that have ego issues and write code that basically implodes on itself when the volume reaches a certain level.

Sun Tzu once said "victory is living long enough to see the bodies of your enemies floating past in the river".

I say surviving adversity and change is 9/10s of success in any business.


Very true. I can write a book on companies that burned money on so called marketing consultants and in house software developers who did all they can to keep their jobs by taking the companies IT department hostage...worse programs who turn out to be marketing and marketing people who think they can code.

CarlosTheGaucho 02-24-2008 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porno Dan (Post 13823894)
Most traditional DVD company owners can't, or won't educate themselves on the net; as a result, they don't appreciate or understand it.

Well you said that all, it's no secret nor surprise but this is what's happening..

btw. I will have my samples shipped soon just awaiting till they put it all together..

TDF 02-24-2008 04:07 PM

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