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OneWhoKnows 01-06-2012 03:56 AM

Why does Webbilling process for rape sites?
 
Well, actually I always thought webbilling is a respected and serious company, but when I saw this I just thought WTF!

http://img18.imagevenue.com/loc122/t..._122_122lo.jpg

So they are actually billing for a website like CruelNetwork which has nice sub-sites with names like "Brutally Raped", "Force Her", "Family Violation" and so on. I don't know about you, but certainly I wouldn't want to work with a company that has no prob processing for shit like that, not even as alternative billing solution.

nikki99 01-06-2012 07:48 AM

and what is the problem? are u american?

sperbonzo 01-06-2012 08:07 AM

If the models give their permission for simulated rape, then what is your problem? Have you seen movies put out by major film studios where there are rape scenes? Do you now no longer go to see movies from MGM, Universal, Paramount, etc? They have all put out dramas where there is a scene where a woman is raped. I guess you think that role-playing should be outlawed and no movie should be allowed to portray a rape in it....

Interesting.


Just to be clear.... it's certainly not MY taste, but I won't dictate what someone else's taste should be, as long everyone involved is a consenting adult.




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anexsia 01-06-2012 08:17 AM

Sites look like they would convert good, checking out the sponsor now.

L-Pink 01-06-2012 08:20 AM

A "rape" happens in 1/2 of all "Law and Order" episodes.

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Fabien 01-06-2012 08:23 AM

It's all fake. It's consenting adults and they get paid for their performance !
So what ?

In fact, Sperbonzo got the right answer.

Reminds me of the Maxhardcore case by the way.

Not my cup of tea but nothing illegal.

CaptainHowdy 01-06-2012 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneWhoKnows (Post 18673891)
Well, actually I always thought webbilling is a respected and serious company, but when I saw this I just thought WTF!

http://img18.imagevenue.com/loc122/t..._122_122lo.jpg

So they are actually billing for a website like CruelNetwork which has nice sub-sites with names like "Brutally Raped", "Force Her", "Family Violation" and so on. I don't know about you, but certainly I wouldn't want to work with a company that has no prob processing for shit like that, not even as alternative billing solution.

http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/g...ovejoy-pic.jpg

nikki99 01-06-2012 08:42 AM

once I saw a porn movie with a hole in the dirt and 6 naked woman getting burried like the dude kill em and burry em, is that illegal? if it's fake I don't think so

nikki99 01-06-2012 08:44 AM

of course, cruelmoney.com , this guy is from costa rica I guess... old member of GFY, I think is doing good :)

I miss costa rica!!!

Supz 01-06-2012 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18674230)
A "rape" happens in 1/2 of all "Law and Order" episodes.

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Or every special victims unit episode.

as sperbenzo said. Not my taste. But if its consented, its consented.

Paul Markham 01-06-2012 08:56 AM

Doesn't matter if it's consented by the actors.

It matters if it's consented by Visa. They find it, don't like it, they may pull the plug on the bank.

And every site using Webbilling gets hit.

So it's VISA's consent that matters. If they say fine, then fine. If they so not fine. Then a lot of people are in the shit.

Wizzo 01-06-2012 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18674319)
Doesn't matter if it's consented by the actors.

It matters if it's consented by Visa. They find it, don't like it, they pull the plug on the bank.

And every site using Webbilling gets hit.

Webbilling is European Direct Debit biller, it has nothing to do with Visa.

vsex 01-06-2012 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18674319)
Doesn't matter if it's consented by the actors.

It matters if it's consented by Visa. They find it, don't like it, they may pull the plug on the bank.

And every site using Webbilling gets hit.

So it's VISA's consent that matters. If they say fine, then fine. If they so not fine. Then a lot of people are in the shit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 18674322)
Webbilling is European Direct Debit biller, it has nothing to do with Visa.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Captain Kawaii 01-06-2012 08:58 AM

LOL...And people wonder and hate why stuff like SOPA is happening...

nikki99 01-06-2012 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vsex (Post 18674324)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

OneWhoKnows 01-06-2012 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18674319)
Doesn't matter if it's consented by the actors.

It matters if it's consented by Visa. They find it, don't like it, they may pull the plug on the bank.

And every site using Webbilling gets hit.

So it's VISA's consent that matters. If they say fine, then fine. If they so not fine. Then a lot of people are in the shit.

I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Paul Markham. :1orglaugh Of course this is simulated rape, but Visa and MC don't even allow processing for sites with "sleeping" or "drunk" content. Even if Webbilling only does direct debit and other alternative billing forms - I bet if the banks find out about them processing for sites like that, they will pull the plug on their merchant accounts and all of their customers are fucked, even the ones with no questionable content.

Plus I remember how other processors got bashed in here for processing rape sites. Funny how the times are changing. Simulated or not, I'd stay far away from promoting sites like these, as I'm pretty sure they are not 100% legal in my jurisdiction.

topnotch, standup guy 01-06-2012 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 18674325)
LOL...And people wonder and hate why stuff like SOPA is happening...

What does SOPA have to do with this?

Is the content in question pirated?

Think again captain.

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nikki99 01-06-2012 09:30 AM

gfy members shud rape paul markham :1orglaugh

V_RocKs 01-06-2012 09:46 AM

Greed...

lyno 01-06-2012 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18674319)
Doesn't matter if it's consented by the actors.

It matters if it's consented by Visa. They find it, don't like it, they may pull the plug on the bank.

And every site using Webbilling gets hit.

So it's VISA's consent that matters. If they say fine, then fine. If they so not fine. Then a lot of people are in the shit.

That's why i look forward to the day they loose their
monopoly. It must be enough to follow the laws made
by government.

Profits of Doom 01-06-2012 09:48 AM

Hey look, it's fake outrage on GFY. That NEVER happens...

12clicks 01-06-2012 09:51 AM

what's wrong with a little rape?
keeps things interesting

JFK 01-06-2012 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 18674445)
Hey look, it's fake outrage on GFY. That NEVER happens...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

DoubleT 01-06-2012 09:59 AM

I am sure the banking partners would be thrilled to see this sort of content passing through their processing partners gateways. Conservative grey haired German bankers love the thought of making a few extra euro enabling processing for "Brutally Raped", "Force Her" and "Family Violation". :winkwink:

OneWhoKnows 01-06-2012 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoubleT (Post 18674477)
Conservative grey haired German bankers love the thought of making a few extra euro enabling processing for "Brutally Raped", "Force Her" and "Family Violation". :winkwink:

:1orglaugh Another one who got why I started this topic.

johnnyloadproductions 01-06-2012 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18674454)
what's wrong with a little rape?
keeps things interesting

I was never into rape but love smacking a girl around a little ("Youuuuu fuckinggg bitch!" whack) and getting smacked myself. :)

JFK 01-06-2012 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 18674390)
What does SOPA have to do with this?

Is the content in question pirated?

Think again captain.

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Come on now, this is GFY , what's this thinking shit you talk about ? :winkwink:

porno jew 01-06-2012 10:06 AM

adapt or get raped.

RyuLion 01-06-2012 10:15 AM

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

raymor 01-06-2012 10:16 AM

Interesting. So to most of the people who replied, there is no difference at all between a police drama, where the they try to stop a rapist, and selling something to of get off on the idea of raping women? To me, there is a difference between acknowledging that crime happens versus promoting rape as erotic.

Just as you might watch Law and Order with your family, you're just as comfortable sitting down with dinner and watching a rape porn, where they present a woman screaming in anguish as the best part of a fun Saturday night? That's interesting, if so.

If you think there IS a difference between a drama that mentions a crime having occurred versus promoting the idea of rape as the way to get your rocks off, it might be interesting to ponder just what that difference is.

I think it mignt be that it's ok to have a cop drama and that doesn't necesarily make it ok to promote the idea off rape as being erotic or acceptable.

DWB 01-06-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vsex (Post 18674324)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 18674351)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 18674464)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

BIGTYMER 01-06-2012 10:31 AM

Raymor I get your point but people fap to tv/movie rape scenes too. Directed as erotic or not fake rape is fake rape.

RyuLion 01-06-2012 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18674535)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

TisMe 01-06-2012 10:46 AM

It is sad to see people who supposedly make their living from porn being so shortsighted. No person's fantasy is any better or worse than another's as long as they stay a fantasy.

What gives anyone the right to claim that their fantasies are worthy of the protection of free speech and not someone else's? Who gets to draw that line?

Raymor, why do you think they put rape story lines into so many TV shows and Movies? Because it sells. The difference between that and fantasy rape in porn is camera angles.

Murderers on TV don't commit crimes, Rapists on TV don't commit crimes yet as soon as the clothes come off and the camera angles change all of a sudden there's a crime being committed?

Better be careful as there are people running for elected office in many countries that would outlaw your own fantasies if given the chance. Huge blocks of voters agree with them too.

We survive because of this protection, take it away from one of us and there are those who'll be quick to try and do the same to all of us.

They will use the same logic used by some in this thread, "I" find it disgusting.

SIGH...

nikki99 01-06-2012 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18674494)
adapt or get raped.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Paul Markham 01-06-2012 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 18674322)
Webbilling is European Direct Debit biller, it has nothing to do with Visa.

So they don't bill for VISA, no problems. Do MC like rape sites? If not then I assume they don't bill for MC either. Whose left?

You really are to dumb to think through your flaming properly. I bet you'd shit a brick if VISA decided not to allow sites that do pirating or advertise on piracy sites. That would so dent the traffic flow.

Hang on, isn't that what SOPA does? :thumbsup

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyno (Post 18674443)
That's why i look forward to the day they loose their
monopoly. It must be enough to follow the laws made
by government.

I thought I was a dreamer, but you topped me with this dream. :1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoubleT (Post 18674477)
I am sure the banking partners would be thrilled to see this sort of content passing through their processing partners gateways. Conservative grey haired German bankers love the thought of making a few extra euro enabling processing for "Brutally Raped", "Force Her" and "Family Violation". :winkwink:

We need sites like these gambling with the rest of us like we need a hole in the head.

Billing companies, banks and VISA are the life blood of this industry. Without their compliance we're all fucked. Unless you have a better alternative. Sites that are "at or over the edge" of what CC companies and banks will accept. Don't just fuck with their future, they fuck with so many others.

Can I just ask you to cast your minds back a little while. Phatservers, Multicard and then the company that was paying affiliates and had it's money frozen. Someone help me here. And there are other processors that upset VISA. Then disappeared and took our money with them.

The only thing we can do is bill via companies who are scrupulous about who else they handle.

nikki99 01-06-2012 11:01 AM

fuck you everyone GFY :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 01-06-2012 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TisMe (Post 18674571)
It is sad to see people who supposedly make their living from porn being so shortsighted. No person's fantasy is any better or worse than another's as long as they stay a fantasy.

What gives anyone the right to claim that their fantasies are worthy of the protection of free speech and not someone else's? Who gets to draw that line?

Raymor, why do you think they put rape story lines into so many TV shows and Movies? Because it sells. The difference between that and fantasy rape in porn is camera angles.

Murderers on TV don't commit crimes, Rapists on TV don't commit crimes yet as soon as the clothes come off and the camera angles change all of a sudden there's a crime being committed?

Better be careful as there are people running for elected office in many countries that would outlaw your own fantasies if given the chance. Huge blocks of voters agree with them too.

We survive because of this protection, take it away from one of us and there are those who'll be quick to try and do the same to all of us.

They will use the same logic used by some in this thread, "I" find it disgusting.

SIGH...

Not being short sighted. I'm being a businessman.

OK you probably think it's fine to put up anything online. VISA disagree and if you don't like that, go find an industry that doesn't rely 90 on CC billing. Because it's their ball, their court and their rules.

porno jew 01-06-2012 11:04 AM

do you know what direct debit means? or are you an expert in billing now as well?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18674588)
So they don't bill for VISA, no problems. Do MC like rape sites? If not then I assume they don't bill for MC either. Whose left?

You really are to dumb to think through your flaming properly. I bet you'd shit a brick if VISA decided not to allow sites that do pirating or advertise on piracy sites. That would so dent the traffic flow.

Hang on, isn't that what SOPA does? :thumbsup



I thought I was a dreamer, but you topped me with this dream. :1orglaugh



We need sites like these gambling with the rest of us like we need a hole in the head.

Billing companies, banks and VISA are the life blood of this industry. Without their compliance we're all fucked. Unless you have a better alternative. Sites that are "at or over the edge" of what CC companies and banks will accept. Don't just fuck with their future, they fuck with so many others.

Can I just ask you to cast your minds back a little while. Phatservers, Multicard and then the company that was paying affiliates and had it's money frozen. Someone help me here. And there are other processors that upset VISA. Then disappeared and took our money with them.

The only thing we can do is bill via companies who are scrupulous about who else they handle.


TisMe 01-06-2012 11:06 AM

Paul, think before you type.

They are NOT using Visa to process this site.

Unlike you I'm a businessman who thinks, and I think that the responsibility that comes with having protected free speech for myself and my business is the obligation to protect the same rights for others, even if their speech makes me ill.

Fantasy is just that, fantasy and even if your own is having a mouse ride a cat while dragging you behind by your testicles, I'll support YOUR right to have that fantasy.

Or me.


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