Originally Posted by alias (Post 19236122)

Sick of the same girls maybe.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19236124)

The cycles depend greatly on which sites are getting the most traffic and how many girls are online on that site at any given moment. There was a period of time when western/US girls couldn't afford to work online anymore and columbians/russians took over 100%. The tipping thing and traffic patterns changed and now US girls could make money but traffic to a site is a huge factor in that as well. Traffic moves around... you can look at total models online on sites and watch that and you'll know how they rank in terms of traffic and how the patterns shift. When live jasmiin isn't being popped up on Manwins networks... that alone is going to have a noticeable impact on model earnings.

Originally Posted by Pierre Djurberg (Post 19237111)

well the whole idea of the cam buisness is that not to show a teaser and then in private give all? I think the industry is detsroying itself by giving the pussy upfront :)

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19236124)

The cycles depend greatly on which sites are getting the most traffic and how many girls are online on that site at any given moment. There was a period of time when western/US girls couldn't afford to work online anymore and columbians/russians took over 100%. The tipping thing and traffic patterns changed and now US girls could make money but traffic to a site is a huge factor in that as well. Traffic moves around... you can look at total models online on sites and watch that and you'll know how they rank in terms of traffic and how the patterns shift. When live jasmiin isn't being popped up on Manwins networks... that alone is going to have a noticeable impact on model earnings.

Originally Posted by Pierre Djurberg (Post 19237111)

well the whole idea of the cam buisness is that not to show a teaser and then in private give all? I think the industry is detsroying itself by giving the pussy upfront :)

Originally Posted by kane (Post 19237145)

The cam business seems to be going through the same thing the rest of the porn business did over the last several years. The girls are now racing to see who can give away the most for free.

I remember 6-9 months ago the girls on MFC would never use any kind of toys or anything like that. they even said they would get in trouble if the did. The other I day I checked the site out and there was a girl getting throat fucked by a fucking machine in free while another girl drilled herself with a dildo for free. There were 3,000 guys in the room and maybe 2-3 actually tipping.

I only check these sites out on rare occasion when I put up new stuff to promote them so I can't say I am an authority, but from my perspective there are a lot of girls willing to do a whole lot more for a whole lot less than they used to.

Originally Posted by Colo_bitch (Post 19237117)

Yep the rules to not show in a free arena are put in place for a few reasons. One is to also protect minors who are surfing through . Girls that show and do dildo stuff in a free area not only get guys off for free without joining but they are giving kids an eye full that are not supervised on a computer ( combo of bad parenting and normal curiosity) buttttt the point is why buy the cow if you get the milk for free ? These girls need to learn the art of seduction and to stall because every guy they show just MAY HAVE joined and visited that site repeatedly . Instead it's all horny teens taking a peek n logging off before mom n pops get home.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19237141)

That would be good for porn. Think about it.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 19237145)

The cam business seems to be going through the same thing the rest of the porn business did over the last several years. The girls are now racing to see who can give away the most for free.

I remember 6-9 months ago the girls on MFC would never use any kind of toys or anything like that. they even said they would get in trouble if the did. The other I day I checked the site out and there was a girl getting throat fucked by a fucking machine in free while another girl drilled herself with a dildo for free. There were 3,000 guys in the room and maybe 2-3 actually tipping.

I only check these sites out on rare occasion when I put up new stuff to promote them so I can't say I am an authority, but from my perspective there are a lot of girls willing to do a whole lot more for a whole lot less than they used to.

Originally Posted by Pierre Djurberg (Post 19237163)

Please explane MR Markham :) im alittle slow now in the morning fog of Azores :)

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19237188)

It might deal a mighty blow to the traffic industry that supports the free porn side of the business. While the cams spend so much money on traffic, free porn will flourish.

Hit dating and file lockers, then it might be a great move.

If girls are making less, the businesses they work for a re making less. The traffic is moving away from paying over to free shows or cheaper shows. This proves to everyone, who thinks beyond sound bites, traffic isn't the key. Getting them to spend money is.

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19237260)

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19237136)

Now we know what you do and why you don't think piracy is ruining the business. you're still in web cams. Are you buying traffic no doubt from pirates? :mad: :disgust

Originally Posted by alias (Post 19236162)

I haven't seen any hot new girls on there either, I just checked and it looks like the same crew.

Originally Posted by LatinCams (Post 19236502)

We have experienced sales drop in some sites like LiveJasmin, Cams.
Streamate have raised !!! - goldshows are a gr8 option so time is not wasted and too do fast money
MyFreeCams - Webcams - XloveCam Sales Steady
I believe the next good thing would be bongaCams !!!

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19237188)

While the cams spend so much money on traffic, free porn will flourish.
If girls are making less, the businesses they work for a re making less.
Traffic isn't the key. Getting them to spend money is.

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn (Post 19237198)

but like most of my closest peers, I'm earning far more this year than I did last year
What is happening is that success in camming now requires a long-term strategy.
need to be able to constantly adapt to changing traffic patterns, customer preferences, new site features, etc.

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19237260)

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19237474)

No new cam girls in mfc?

There are more new cam girls per month today than there was before, in all the cam sites! More models than pay members, no site misses models, these knock the door of cam sites to register every day. But more new girls quit after first month as they fail to do money as easy as hoped.

As an user, you do not see new girls in mfc, because there is no new girls in first page from years! But do you know there are other 20+ pages (which is 1000+ girls) if you only browse? No one cares to them :(
Drama of mfc girls (less on other sites) it is their placement = the camscore, much like google search results placement for webmasters, guys do not browse more than 2 pages of mfc as well as of google results. New girls start in page 5+ at camscore 1000, and most end up camscore 500 = page 10+ after first week, sitting lonely and poor forever.

Why they sit there alone? In the hope one day someone sends a big tip so their camscore go up, to the first page where every model does crazy money, just like winning a lottery. So thousands of models keep MFC open like a facebook, something "you have to keep open like skype, in background", in meantime being in other sites to get private at times, showing its video for free in mfc via splitcam, keeping mfc a traffic success... models self-pirate their own private chats of livejasmin, streamate etc. into mfc! In hope for tip to raise ranking into first page.

Note that girls will not sit with no tips in other sites than mfc as no other site got so big tips in first page (= not easy to copy mfc as new cam site). We adapted to mfc business model by launch tubecamgirl.com in 2011 and I have to say it works; girls show free and someone send tips... but if no tips the girls quit (as we got no win-lottery tips in first page, we are just one page all site!). Most new cam sites are freemium approach. But we and others would not do this, if mfc did not existed! But mfc exists. It is same as say "my business model would work if there was no tubes", but tubes exists, so? You adapt rather than be Paul Markhamish "it was better before" vent.



Streamate is the cam whitelabel for 90% of tubes, this should help :)
It may be true that in general the income per cam girl, average, it dropped, but this is mostly because there are more cam girls, esp. new cam girls who try and quit shortly after, so they made "no money", lowering the average money done. But quite "pro" models esp. those who do shifts in studios and put in many sites in splitcam with good organisation, tends to do ok money. Or few home models who are "pro" and got bf-whale.

But sites do same money: if a cam site had 100 girls doing 10 each in 2010 this is $1000; today got 1000 girls doing $1 each it is still $1000; in general if a cam site fails it got no any girl online, if there's girls online, these are doing money (except in mfc they sit for real free forever, I explained why), so any cam site with models online is doing ok, believe me :)



Ok here Paul on 2 out of the 3 statements, you are so wrong :)
So your 3 statements:

1) "While the cams spend so much money on traffic, free porn will flourish.". This is correct. But why we the cam sites spend so much money on traffic? Because we make even more money = profit from such traffic... or simply we would have stopped to pay for such a traffic. So if I buy $1000 of free traffic, this converts to the cam site (of course after several months or even years, it is not immediate) into $2000+.

2) "If girls are making less, the businesses they work for are making less.". No really, the cam sites can add more cam girls and make same or more. Like a tube site cam add more (stolen) videos to make more money total. In 2008 the big cam sites had 400-500 cam girls online at same time at most, now 1000-1200. Let average income per cam girl be one third, we put 3 times more cam girls online = same money total. Not so easy to do money for every cam girl as it was before, same as for webmasters, or any business like doing t-shirts where in China and India they compete, not as easy as before.

3) "Traffic isn't the key. Getting them to spend money is." No no no no. Always someone will get inspired to buy, even on surprise. If whoever will decide to spend money for anything, he will do in the site where he is, in that moment. And not elsewhere. So if you got the whole internet lurking on a free cam site (one of 3000 free users in a caa girl room), you are sure if any of those 3000 will ever decide to spend in cams, will do in this site and not elsewhere. As a bonus you let other sites fail, as they're empty. The main point (of cam business today) is to have most guys in your cam site rather than elsewhere. I see guys to buy first time after 1 year they lurk, nojoke! As somethng happens in their life, or they see a girl they fall in love finally - but they must be in your site in that moment, not elsewhere. There the freemium goes.



It is simply no more super easy to do money as cam girl as before. I remember my first cam sites in 2004 and 2005: for cam girls it was enough to sit there and beg for private in broken english, then in private do clone shows, and this was banking ok. Now the guys are no more so impressed by a naked girl in cam, they want her to be also funny or different, to be online when customer is online so to make a more real friendship and so on. So the clone dumb cam girl who are online rnadomly and don't care to appointments with "friends" can have very bad time today, as it is for the lazy noob affiliate who thinks will be rich by register few domains and put a whitelabel to it and nothing else.



I agree about where to get the traffic, simply we get from where it is. In the past most of our traffic came from pay site member areas, that was golden traffic but also a lot, there was member areas with 1000's of members, now it is hard to find one with 100's - and where it is the new paysites?

About the 300 in cam rooom with 5 guys tipping, this is 3000 with 2 guys tipping really (lol), but anyway shoud it be made clear that: 1) only myfreecams it is banking with tips seriously, all other cam sites still rely mostly on private even if mfc-ized biz model, and 2) the fact some cam site opened to free shows, does not mean this replaces the old way... in fact for example we got old "pay for even see nipple" site chatgf.com still there, unchanged, and added a tubecamgirl.com new site for tips. Streamray kept cams.com and added stripshow.com for freemium. So I agree xlovecam, livejasmin should be kept as is, unchanged, just could add a freemium site with other name, independently, examples are many and I think it is the way to go. In fact to mfc-ize an old style site it can result in a total fail mix, as self-cannibalizing the clothed girl business (including old style cam girls complaining the next thumbnail is a free dildo drilling show), still not being a success with freemium (big tip elevates ego only in mfc first page...), so that's a cam-site suicide finally, to create a smaller-mfc who also don't get privates...

To sum on the topic "Are cam girls making less these days?", then my answer it is:

In average, yes, because there are more cam girls and trend it is more and more girls try go to in cams, even if most will give up after a short try as too hard for them to do money they hoped (especially westerns).

Case by case: there was never cam girls doing as much as $50,000 a month as some top mfc cam girls are doing now - but they are few dozens in the world only, it is the same to say it is easier to do money in internet today than before, because Zuckerberg made money with facebook. How many zuckenberg here, does it counts as example for average joe - or top mfc girl count for average cam-jane?
At the same time, there was never cam girls doing as low as $100 per month for 8 hours a day shift as some do now (new ones who try then quit). Because more competition, more skills needed and so on - it is not an easy or sure job. A random lazy cam girl who is online at random times from home while watching TV and feeding her dog is not likely banking in cams anytime soon :)

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19237474)

No new cam girls in mfc?

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19237408)

So... "cam" = "supporting piracy" now?

You're really too dumb to talk to.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19237511)

Recently someone was saying it was new girls who didn't know better, now someone is saying there's no new girls, then you say this.

Paint me confused. :1orglaugh



Did you see Barry's post about buying traffic from where traffic is?

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams (Post 19237484)

Are you PM fake nick my god tone down the text a bit

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19237474)

Ok here Paul on 2 out of the 3 statements, you are so wrong :)
So your 3 statements:

1) "While the cams spend so much money on traffic, free porn will flourish.". This is correct. But why we the cam sites spend so much money on traffic? Because we make even more money = profit from such traffic... or simply we would have stopped to pay for such a traffic. So if I buy $1000 of free traffic, this converts to the cam site (of course after several months or even years, it is not immediate) into $2000+.

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams (Post 19237519)

Paul have you ever thought/tried setting up a few girls on some of the bigger sites?

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19236087)

just from my pants around my ankles observation lately it seems like there's a lot less tipping, both in volume of tipping and the amounts being tipped, on MFC.

and i saw some cam guys in another thread referring to girls making less on LiveJasmin.

if so, other than the economy, what would the reasons be?

Originally Posted by Colo_bitch (Post 19237001)

Why pay when the girls violate the rules anyways. You are not suppose to get naked in the free arena. You do that in private . You build them up ... Then they get jealous cause an alpha male comes in free chat and you shift gears and talk to the other guy. Then me jealous wants you all to himself ... Then you get the chime that they want private. Bam now your making money. They give too much in free chat and the guys problem get off then log off . It's a free show . On any given night you can watch for free and then it screws it up for the girls that can make money in private. I'm surprised they don't get banned for going against their performer agreement . Just my observation.