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Jayden James Calls out BOBBY MANILA
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QFT! :thumbsup :eyecrazy :helpme :stoned ADG |
Nothing wrong with having your own exclusive porn..
Maybe if he was upfront about it. |
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she was paid for a shoot - producer's right to shoot what he wants, not her business as long as she got paid. maybe NaughtyAmerica wouldn't be happy with the guy for shooting something for himself on their dime.
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I personally always make sure that I get a video disclaimer with the models I hire where they say on camera that not only are they of sound mind, sober, of legal age of majority, tell their legal name & date of birth, that they have a clean test and saw their partner's health test but also very importantly that they understand that the content I shoot could be sold, licensed and re-sold in every technological medium that will ever be created without geographic restriction in perpetuity to any number of entities and that there will be no way to make it go away and that such activity may subject them to scorn from people they know seeing the content at any time in the future. That way everyone is on the same page and it avoids a lot of issues with models saying they thought the material would only be on a certain web site, or kept only behind member areas or not available on DVD or not available on the internet or not broadcast on TV or not available in the U.S., or it would go away after a certain period of time and a million of potential objections. |
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Exactly... Plus, with piracy, and promotion, we'd be lying if we told them it would end up"here" rather than "everywhere." But saying it's for another client and for yourself is a bit different and im sure many a producer has been fired over this. I don't like my directors shooting shit for their own sites in my studio, with my equiptment, lights etc, unless they want to buck up for a rental fee at least ds |
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If the producer makes it known up front that the material may be sold to a number of clients, I see no problem with that at all, happens every day in our business. I've shot non-exclusive content and was not aware who would license it until it was shot & edited so in that situation, there's no way to tell the model where her material would end up. But if the producer leads the model to believe that she is shooting for one thing when she's actually shooting for something else, that's pretty fucked up. Of course it happens every day in this industry but my preference is to just be honest with the girls and tell them exactly how the material will be used. Some models don't care where the content will end up but many do in an effort to control their image. It takes a long time to build a solid reputation not only for producers but also for performers so I don't think it's too much to ask to be honest with the performers and tell them how their content will be used if it's known up front. That's what I'm say'n :thumbsup |
Jim Gunn, Jim Gunn, Jim Gunn.
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Just because YOU don't know me doesn't mean OTHERS don't, so don't be so quick to judge or assume I'm not even in the industry, Jim_Gunn. Quote:
I like to keep up on the events in the industry, because I am in the industry, so I read mikesouth.com, ********.com, xbiz.com, and avn.com. Sometimes, gramponante.com. I don't see how me reading ********, seeing an interesting story about Bobby Manilla and Jayden James, and posting it here is me trying to "instigate trouble" ? When I asked what's up with this Bobby Manila guy, I was seriously asking!!! I first met him at avn in '06 (the only time I met him) and he told me then that he is "very technical"; He went to film school, as did I. I understand that Bobby then went on to shoot the early stuff for Brazzers, and claimed to invent their "style", then sued them. I've heard girls for years say that he tries to fuck them. I've also heard other girls for years say that he's the coolest. Mary McCray (the last I knew) is his girlfriend, and she's great and fun to work with. I know Donny Long specifically picked him out as someone NOT to really talk shit about in one of his ranting posts in his epic battle with ChristianXXX. It still makes no sense to me, however, why he would want tease vids for his own personal use. SO, therefore, I'll repeat myself, "What's the deal with the Bobby Manila guy?" |
You can see bobby manila's side of the story at his twitter.com/bobbymanila
From what he says...he is an independent contractor for Naughty America and pays for all his production cost and sells the bg scene to them. He also shoots a 3 min interview and a 5 min tease for his Naughty America Affliate blog. He paid her full rate of $1,500 and he shoots fast 4-5 hours. I dont see any problem with that do you? |
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Here is some thread kill for you...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p9kPHyWfx1...S760/yenta.jpg http://www.anniekorzen.com/wp-conten...ed-271x300.jpg |
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For him he was a contractor so he has to make money anyway he can. This industry for the most part seems to suck everything out of everybody. If he would of shot that stuff and took it took a dvd company he would be a multi millionaire Its unfortunate, after being in this biz ten years I can see a real big difference between the online guys and the dvd guys. |
Seems like everyone in this biz has their own shady way of doing things. It's a bit discouraging for someone with "youthful enthusiasm"...
Hard for me to comment on this in particular. If the clips are for what they're claimed to be, then I guess he's not as pervy as I initially thought after reading about this. Although, I don't necessarily agree with using the shoots as an opportunity to provide content for himself. What I mean is, if he makes any money from his blog promoting the scenes, I think the girls he's filming the clips of should be getting a cut of that. It seems that most of the girls are not aware that he's using those clips for his own benefit. |
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10 years ago you made $$ cause you were the shooter and the dvd companies needed competent people. its the online people that basically marginalized the shooter :2 cents: Now a guy like Bobby has to make up for the income with becoming a promoter and webmaster of the stuff he shoots....Its like a Hollywood director that has to go to the theater and put up posters to his movie that he made himself on the side. fuckin sad what has happened to this industry. |
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It's not at ALL tacky or un-profesh to hire a model for the day and shoot as much content for various clients as possible, it's called a General Release and its not new, this biz model goes back 20 plus years - models are informed prior to booking and its often for non-exclusive content that may sell to multiple sites in the future. Models want day rates and they want to be told the numbers of scenes/sets and the number of hours they will be on site and as a fair content producer I tell them exactly that. I stick to the terms and they go away pleased and say nice things about me to friends and agents...everyones happy. Your idea that you shoot a model for a specific client and THATS where the material is going to be seen...well...thats a little horse and buggy my man. |
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we never tell any model where the content will go - unless she has to wear some branded clothes or has to say the site name in a trailer
but otherwise it's simply not their business - they get paid, sign a release and that's it |
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Secondly, nothing has changed. If you know where the material will be used, you tell talent. Maybe they don't want to know or don't care - that's fine. But there are models who want to know, who do care how and where their material will be used. If you don't know yet where the material will go, you tell the model that. What you don't do, if you care about your reputation, is tell the model that she's shooting for one thing while you shoot her secretly for something else. That's what this conversation is about.... |
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but since i dont know what the deal between him and NA is, that might be perfectly fine as well. the biggest issue i see from this side of the planet is that some people seem to overestimate their relevance |
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Hope you are well brotha'! |
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WTF? There has been a lot of silliness written in this thread that I will address later, but for now, MaDalton, this is one of the most ignorant things I've ever seen you write on here, which is surprising because you are usually a reasonable fellow. OF COURSE it is the models' business where the content will go/what it will be used for! It's their body, their likeness, their PERSON, why would it NOT be their business???????? AND, MaDALTON: "the biggest issue i see from this side of the planet is that some people seem to overestimate their relevance" -...Which People? |
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do you really think a model here in CZ cares what website her stuff will be on? 95% dont even bother to look at the pictures after the shoot. they take the cash and leave. (almost) no one here cares to be a "star" - opposed to the LA scene where every porn chick that did 2 scenes already thinks she's a celebrity - and behaves like one |
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98% of the porn chicks here in LA, are sweet, cool, laid back, modest girls. They do NOT think they are celebrities and certainly don't behave as such... |
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worse every website design
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I started shooting adult in LA in '89 and this issue has changed radically just over the last few years. Which is why I took such exception to Deans view that nothing has changed.
In the old days models and agents wanted to know exactly where the material was going to be distributed. I remember long conversations to clarify exactly what magazine or website the stuff would be for and getting explicit permission from the model for that venue etc. These days models are barely curious to know where its all going, most of them have never heard of the sites or mags anyway and when I tell them they just shrug and start the shoot. Agents are cool with explaining to the models that its a "Content Shoot for Various Websites" - thats just what this biz has denigrated to, I'm not saying its a good thing..it's a matter of survival. Girls need to work, shooters need to shoot, this is the paradigm..get on board or punch a fucking clock. I admit I was pissed when non-ex shooters destroyed the exclusive content biz, just as surely as the tubes and filelockers fucked up the game...but I said fuck it I want to eat too so I started selling non-ex and bam I'm making 3x earnings than I ever did shooting the old way. So to summarize: The Non-Exclusive Content biz exists, it is valid. By definition it's not possible to tell the model where the content will be seen because you just simply do not know. |
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if i would spend time explaining for each set where it will end up later (with non-exclusive not even possible like you said), i would waste half of the day on that. and like i said - the girls dont ask, the agencies dont ask - why would i bother? but i also dont have a fancy name as director and jerk off to reading my name in press releases |
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