any libertarians here?
 

just wondering....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

It depends on what mood I am in - Seriously...

I'm here.

Yes indeed

Libertarians: Diligently plotting to take over the world to leave everyone alone.

Here, here.

What a horrible idea huh?

had a talk with my cousin about politics... he tells me I'm a libertarian... had no idea

and when you're not?

I'm a follower of George Washington and don't believe in political parties - and what's going on in Washington right now disgusts me. But if I had to choose, I'd be a Libertarian. Basically, minimal Federal Gov't and keep out of other countries' affairs.

Present.

Libertarian = Embarrassed Republican.

Tom Hartmann says a Libertarian is a Republican that who wants to smoke pot and get laid.

Kind of. I believe in limited government. Some regulation is good. I'm so tired of politics though.

And a Libertarian is also a person who wants ALL drugs legalized.
Is PRO CHOICE for women.
Wants the military reduced and an end to invading other countries.
Unlike Dems and Republicans...they are on the side of the porn industry (the vice pres. candidate for 2012 spoke at a dinner at Internext...you will NEVER find a Democrat or Republican doing that)

That sound like a Republican to you guys?
Pro choice, legalization of all drugs, ending wars?

Doesn't sound like a Republican...it sounds like the worst nightmare possible for the Republican Party and Democrat Party. Libertarians want to do what both of the old parties claim they want to do. But neither one of them really wants anything but power.

Think about that for a minute.

There's a reason that both the Democrat Party and Republican Party hacks constantly put out the propaganda that you guys are spouting.

Republicans claim that Libertarians are "crazy".

Democrats try to say that Libertarians are really some form of Republican.

Well...use your own brains and tell me if it's "crazy" to want to stop invading other countries, bring all our troops home, allow people to make their own decisions (drugs, prostitution, gambling, porn, etc.) without the govt. dictating to them.

Then tell me if Libertarians are some kind of "Republican" when they want to stop invading other countries, bring all our troops home, allow people to make their own decisions (drugs, prostitution, gambling, porn, etc.) without the govt. dictating to them.

It comes down to whether or not you believe a man should be free to live his life and pursue his dreams without being treated like a child by the govt.

I think we all want the same things in life.
But we have been sold a marketing package from the Dems and Repubs. And look at what a fantastic job they've done over the last 100 years all leading up to NOW.

There is a reason that they have locked down the Pres. debates and won't allow third party candidates to participate.
And we all go along with it as a society.

Just think about it for a minute by stepping back and mentally disassociating yourselves from your Democrat party loyalties.
Don't YOU want to bring ALL the troops home from occupying other countries?
Don't YOU want to see an end to the war on drugs and the imprisoning of more of our citizens than any other country on Earth?
Don't YOU want to see women have the ability to make decisions for their own bodies?
Don't YOU want to be able to make more decisions for YOURSELF without the govt. telling you what to do?
Don't YOU want to be able to work in the adult industry without having to worry every day that your door could be kicked in, you could be "raided" and have all your computer files destroyed by "accident" by the cops while your bank accounts are frozen?

Just think about it for a minute.
Do you want freedom? Or do you like things just the way they are?

I'm here, now leave me alone ok ……..

Sheepishly raises hand.


I man-love you. I would gay-marry the shit out of you. If the government is gracious enough to grant us permission to gay-marry, that is.

First question...I think I know what your definition of "occupying" is...so no.
Second question...No to ending it...I would like to see the strategy changed.
Third question...If you are speaking about abortion...yes.
Fourth question...The question is to expansive for me to answer.
Fifth question...I am retired.
Sixth question...I have freedom.
Seventh question...No I do not like things just the way they are.

AKA: "Sounds Legit"

I have long identified as Libertarian most Americans actually do tend to be more Libertarian than either republican or Democrat but they have been so brainwashed by the "Its a wasted vote" crowd that they just vote against theor own beliefs...its sad really because if everyone who said I would vote Libertarian but its a wasted vote actually voted Libertarian we wouldnt be in many of the messes we are in....even if the libertarian didnt win the numbers of Libertarian votes would pull both parties to adopt more Libertarian ideals.

Sad really but typical....

thunderballs = nuts twisted in panties :2 cents:

Go move to Sudan where there is basically no govt and spout your idiotic shit over there.

My definition of "occupying" is the same one you would have if another govt. had military bases and troops inside of the U.S.A.
How would you think of that? If another country invaded us, beat us in a war...and then just stayed for decades.
THAT is what I call occupying another country.
What would you call it?

Ever think about it from the other countries perspective?

Why would he have to move to Sudan to have the freedoms that our country was originally founded on?

Without the gov there would of been no internet.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...ibertarian.jpg

I celebrate our common ground... :smokin

:stoned

ADG

I said I thought I knew and I was correct. I would call it having a military base/bases in a country and that is not occupying a country...period...and especially when it is by mutual agreement.

Libertarians live in a fairy tale land..

They always claim they are for doing away with this or that, then they vote right along side Republicans just about every time. This is why everyone looks at them as a joke. They are for the most part inseparable from republicans when it comes time to votes they always vote for the Republican agenda unless it's clear that it won't pass or that their vote won't matter.

Added to this they have pretty much no power to get anything done, because everyone looks at them as the fat kid that gets picked last.. If they weren't in lala land they would just say they were fiscal republicans and try to rejumpstart that movement inside the GOP.

Why would there be "no govt"?

Libertarians just want the govt. to be as inconsequential to your life as is possible while still doing the actual mechanisms of govt.

What is so hard for people to understand about that?

The amount of propaganda that the 2 ruling parties put out about anything that threatens their monopoly is astounding.

Again I say:
Do YOU want Pro-Choice for women?
Do YOU want to bring our troops home and stop invading and interfering with other countries (at a cost of trillions of dollars in overbloated military)?
Do YOU want to stop the "War On Drugs" and the accompanying multi-billion dollar prison industry that shamefully has more or our citizens in prison than any other country on Earth?
Do YOU, as a full grown man...think you should be able to pay and have sex with a woman of legal age?
Do YOU think that you are capable of running your own life?

I think you would answer yes to those questions when you step back and think about it.

Who decided that a bunch of career/lifetime politicians and bureaucrats should tell you that you can't pay a woman to have sex? Who decided that they could tell you that you can't get high on Friday night? Who decided to spend all this money on military while people are sick and starving in our own country?

I'm a full grown man. So are you. Yes, we need the govt. to govern. No, we do not need them to tell me in Las Vegas that I am not allowed to have a liquor drink in a full nude strip club with only adults in it.

It's downright ridiculous what the govt. does. (local, state, and federal)

And I certainly don't need them to tell me that I can't create or watch 2 consenting adults of legal age performing sex acts on a video or picture.

That is bullshit.

There are no Libertarians in Congress or the Senate to vote with Republicans. So how the hell you can make THAT story up that you just told is kind of amazing.

Not one Libertarian in the Federal Govt. and somehow YOU come up with a fairytale about how those non-existant Libertarians are voting. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

mutual agreement :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

now i know you're having a good time :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

is that mutual agreement before or after the nuclear attack/absolute surrender?

You aren't a Libertarian obviously.

And again I ask YOU...if WE lost a war and the other country never left. And kept military bases in our country because our govt. would be a puppet govt to them...would you say we were being "occupied"?

Or would you be just fine and dandy with say... Chinese troops stationed in your town and flying jets overhead?

:stoned

ADG

and what exactly did I spout?

To the best of my knowledge we do not have any military bases in any country other than by mutual agreement...between the respective governments...which is not an occupation force.

without war there would have been almost nothing that there is now... 500 years of peaceful existence in Switzerland=cuckoo clock, 30 years bloody revolution in Italy=the renaissance :2 cents:

good point

unlike anyone that thinks everyone is equal and we should just get along and share everything equally?

Okay. Whatever you say man.

As I said pretty clearly...when you invade and conquer another country and set up a puppet govt. and that govt. makes a "mutual agreement" I don't think that it really is a true "mutual agreement".

Right now in Germany and Japan they make so much money off of our military being there that they probably no longer want us to go.
But what if they did?

What IF the German chancellor was to demand that the U.S. leave Germany.
Do you think we would just pack up and go home?

I don't.

But it doesn't matter...I'm a Libertarian and I DO think we should LEAVE those countries. I'm tired of seeing our govt. spend all this money on a military that is too big and is not being used for defense anymore.

Nobody has invaded the U.S. since the War Of 1812.
We aren't "defending" ourselves. We are trying to rule the world and boss everybody around.

Nothing I say will lead to you thinking that over and maybe changing your thinking on it.

And nothing you are saying sounds any different than the nationalistic propaganda that is used everyday to convince us that it's cool to keep doing what we do to "defend freedom".

So let's just drop it. We are derailing the thread.

I agree with everything you said here. But I also believe in regulation and don't think the free market is the answer for everything. Look at prisons, we privatized them and now they only take contracts where the states can guarantee 95 percent occupancy which is what causing the growing prison pop we have. They were paying off a judge to send kids of jail for bullshit.
A big reason for the crash was the constant deregulating Wall St, Greenspan said himself he thought they would self regulate.

I dont think there is a simple answer for any of this. Thats why a guy goes in with dark hair as President and comes out an old man.