USA Special Forces in eastern Syria
 

ISIS we are coming to kill you (one by one and cut off the heads of the monster) apparently :thumbsup

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/wo...agon-says.html

The only question is if now that ISIS' oil minister - Saudi or not - is out of the picture and Saudi Arabia the "terrorist regime" can no longer flood the world market with ultra cheap oil to crush US shale producers, will this have a proportional impact on the price of oil ?

terrorists will be terrorists no matter what the uniform :2 cents:

http://qpolcom.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-c...terrorists.jpg

I believe the story when they say "militants used women and children as shields".

8 months ago:

President Barack Obama redrew a firm line in the sand for his military planners Wednesday, saying he won’t send any American combat troops to take on the militant group Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS)—under any circumstances.

ISIL: Barack Obama Say No Ground Troops Against ISIS in Iraq, Syria

Big difference between Special Forces going in and quickly out and five years of multiple combat divisions establishing bases in country.

absofuckinglutely 100% wrong.

troops are fucking troops and you of all people, with your self-proclaimed understanding of the military, ought to know that. and moreover, special forces boots on the ground are ALWAYS the prelude to more troops on the fucking ground.

Obams stated that he will NOT send...any troops...under any circumstances.

Obama may have received actionable intel from his recent meeting with Gulf Cooperation Council [GCC] member non head-of-state representatives. This action may just be to win their favor lost with the negotiations with their arch-enemy Iran. He made a deal with their ''Devil.''

It may be a ''one of'' incursion. That area is already a declared ''combat zone''. ISIS has taken Ramadi, Iraq and is entering Palmyra, Syria another world heritage site they will probably destroy. Maybe it is also a physiological show of force. Nice that ISIS may have a new address ...

This may have been more for show that anything else -- a few predator drones might have been able to complete the task but Obama wanted the drama ;0) The USA has not invaded Pakistan since taking out bin Laden -- I doubt the USA is considering invading Syria.

I am sure the Gulf States would like no ISIS oil sold further depressing the world oil price -- there is economic reasons for this action too.

my point was more to the fact that even peeps like you and I knew 8 months ago that ISIs wasn't going away and getting worse. and way before that even. BO let ISIS get to this point. this isn't some all the suddent shit.

was bound to happen :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

:thumbsup :thumbsup

They got the guy they wanted, they suffered no casualties in so doing and there was no reported collateral damage. What's not to like?

Sadly ancient Palmyra appears doomed however. Aside from Babylon in Iraq, that's pretty much the only historical site left in either country that's worth a damn.

This is the way that the U.S. SHOULD have handled the aftermath of the 9-11 tragedy instead of invading other countries.

If we had...there wouldn't even BE an ISIS.

Agreed for the most part.

However, going into Afghanistan was pretty much unavoidable given both the public mood at the time and the fact that Bin Laden was well hidden in an extremely remote region of that country.

But... without the pointless Iraq distraction, we most likely would have found Bin Laden fairly quickly and then been able to evacuate Afghanistan immediately thereafter.

And yes, if Saddam was left in place there would be no ISIS today.

Not at all.

"Boots on the ground" implies large numbers of men and personnel, plus supporting equipment - tanks, Humvees, helicopters, etc, that will be there for an extended period of time. A small squad of Special Forces that move in for a single operation and then quickly leave is not what anyone considers "boots on the ground". If you want to argue "boots on the ground" by the strictest definition... We've always had "boots on the ground" - we still have thousand of troops on the ground in Iraq.

This was a Special Forces operation, not an invasion.

This is how warfare will be - small groups of Special Forces flying in, doing what they do, and then quickly leaving. Combined with drone strikes it will be very effective.

that's not at all what "boots on the ground" means

The expression "boots on the ground" has an extended military-jargon history. It certainly dates back at least to British officer Robert Grainger Ker Thompson, strategist of the British counter-insurgency efforts against the Malayan National Liberation Army during the Malayan Emergency, 1948-1960 (see entry). The term is also associated with General William Westmoreland and the United States' intervention in Vietnam, particularly the large force increase from 1965-1968.

The term is used to convey the belief that military success can only be achieved through the direct physical presence of troops in a conflict area. As terminology, it was coined to concisely express a counter-view against the position that other means, such as aerial bombardment, economic incentives, or satellite intelligence could achieve victory.

The term is particularly applied currently (2010) to counter-insurgency operations.

after 'we' started an illegal war for economic control and 'we' spawned ISIS to begin with :thumbsup

lol air strike probably ruined that place, after that they just cleaned area

Would you rather have a President that is adaptive to whatever is going on, or one that stands firm because he doesn't want to look like he's eating is words?

Never mind, I already know the answer.

Don't ask me a question then not let me answer it; instead thinking you're being clever with a childish *oh, don't bother answering my question* comment. that's just you announcing you realize you're in over your head and know you already lost the debate.

if you were capable of thinking something through, you'd realize how fucking stupid your question is and how even more wrong you bullshit answer is.


Because the fact is I want a president that runs a White House that fucking knows WTF is going on before I do and responds to it accordingly without having to flipflop 8 months later. Plenty of people have been watching ISIS grow in Syria since 2010, apparently you and BO are the only 2 who haven't.

If you had paused for a moment and used the brain cell you have, you could have easily gotten yourself up to speed to enter into this discussion and add something of value. I understand you are not capable of that.

and I'm not surprised.

epitome? yup, the epitome of double dick dumbfuckery.

My lord you are silly.

Boots on the ground means a large number of men in uniform in a combat zone for an extended period of time. It does mean a single special forces operation.

Like I said, we've had boots on the ground in this combat zone since before ISIS existed.

again, that's not what it means.. that's simply what you think it means.

so here goes- if there is a clear cut specific number that defines troops on the ground what is it and where is it defined?


the best answer is when an American is in-country shooting at an enemy with the potential to get shot back at by the enemy.

i assure you that if any of that special ops team got shot and killed, that person would have been considered a troop on the ground, in country.

and nevermind the fact that i provided a succinct and clear overview of the history of the term which you waxed over.

a division = ~20,000 troops.

so according to you, the USA does not have boots on the ground until 60,000+ troops are in -country in established bases.

so let's get this straight. if the USA had 10,000 soldiers in Syria and every single one of them was killed fighting ISIS, then according to you, we didn't have boots on the ground there.

Captain Picard was the best starship captain in the federation.

there is no debating that. ya gotta give me something to work with.

:1orglaugh
its just like with some aspects of modern civilisation.
porn addiction overdose, later "viagra" as a "cure" for erectile dysfunctions
eating fast food, later taking some pills to lose weight
living life that you dont want to live, later going to shrink and taking pills to "fix your head"
some people ae just masters in it :1orglaugh

Cry me a fucking river.. Seriously, this was a good mission and was successful. Yet you still find reason to cry Obama Obama Obama.. I bet you also cried when Obama sent troops into Pakistan to kill bin Laden didn't yea?

I guess you would rather bin Laden and this ISIL guy be alive to continue on their dirty work..

I think these kind of missions are always going on over there. In and out in two weeks.

you know what. i'm tired of intellectually stunning you with quick and easy quips to your bullshit here.

instead, i'll stoop to your *shit in a bucket in a van* lifestyle speak

you're a dumbfuck.

you say this is a good mission but you have no fucking idea what the fuck you are talking about. you weren't there, you don't know the repercussions, and you certainly don't know the endgame of a mission like this. you think killing bin laden 10 years later stopped terrorism in some way? you're fucking joke.


next, you are so insecure in your posts here (because the shit you regurgitate here is spoonfed to you) you need to try and attack my view instead of having the nutsack to arrive at your own views.

Finally, you're the fucking retard that can't even research something like the Freedom act, instead swallowing that VICE story like it was a big load of BO splooge and then dragging the rest of us through your bullshit.

gofuckyourself crockett science.

while crockett science is busy guzzling BO jizz, claiming mission accomplished.


http://i.imgur.com/vmArIMP.jpg

President Obama has long ridiculed the idea that the U.S., early in the Syrian civil war, could have shaped the forces fighting the Assad regime, thereby stopping al Qaeda-inspired groups—like the one rampaging across Syria and Iraq today—from seizing control of the rebellion.

Well, his former secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, isn’t buying it. In an interview with me earlier this week, she used her sharpest language yet to describe the "failure" that resulted from the decision to keep the U.S. on the sidelines during the first phase of the Syrian uprising.

“The failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad—there were Islamists, there were secularists, there was everything in the middle—the failure to do that left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled,” Clinton said.

Hillary Clinton:Failure to Help Syrian Rebels Led to the Rise of ISIS - The Atlantic

Mission accomplished BO!

http://i.imgur.com/fYpqqnp.jpg

so crockett science, HIllary should cry you a fucking river too huh.

dumbfuck.

Bo had the chance to deal with Syria's chemical weapons shit back in 2013.

instead he backed down.

now he sends in US troops when he know chlorine gas is being used.


President Barack Obama said on Thursday if reports of chlorine gas attacks in Syria were confirmed, the United States would work with the international community to put a stop to them

Obama: U.S. helping investigate reports of chlorine in bombs in Syria | Reuters

Investigators confident that chlorine gas was used as weapon in Syria | World news | The Guardian

According to your definition, we have boots on the ground in dozens of countries. By your definition, we've had boots on the ground since before anyone knew ISIS existed.

I do not consider a dozen men "boots on the ground".

The problem is here you are trying to turn this into a political issue when it's not.

i know you don't consider 12 troops troops on the ground, that's my point. if all 12 of those troops were killed in-country by enemy fire then according to you they were never there fighting. right.

and no, that's not the problem here, i'm not trying to turn this into a political issue, it already is a political issue. my view isn't the problem, it's an observation that BO's military strategy in the ME is fucking flawed beyond recognition. and that is exemplified perfectly by BO's flipflop bullshit in Syria combined with his trying to ingnore the issue andhopes it goes away.

So wait, it's ok for you to harass me with your little gotcha questions non stop in every topic, but the moment I hit you back with the exact same flavor of gotcha, you cry and pout.

You righties are all the same you can shovel the shit non stop, but you can't take it in return with out crying and exploding in anger.

The best part of this whole topic, is once again something that should be non political, you turn into team politics then blame everyone else when it goes badly for you.

The simple fact is this was a good raid. They killed an important ISIL figure head, captured a likely valuable information source and free a girl whom was a slave. Yet because of Obama, you bitch and moan like a 12 year old girl. This is the exact type of mission our special forces should be used for. But just like when they killed bin Laden you cry and pout because Obama gave the order.


Everyone is spoon fed except Dyna..

gofuckyourself crockett science. you couldn't figure your way out of paper bag.

go gargle some more BO splooge
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201211/...9_11797297.jpg

you fucking nitwit, i didn't make this political. it is fucking political. you know who authorized this POS mission? the fucking president did, and that's after 4+ years of HIS failed Syrian political policy.