Obamacare upheld
 

Obamacare lives on after Supreme Court ruling - CNNPolitics.com


u mad???????

Victory to Obama and his healthcare cronies. Take it to the bank. It is a perpetual money machine. Get sick, get free medical care, health stocks rip. Everybody is a winner.

not a surprise :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Congrats.

Not mad, as even if they struck it down, the GOP would have fixed it anyways. But I do hate social/political justices making up law at the SCOTUS level. That is what is most troubling to me. But I suspect that train has long left the station and just building up speed the longer we go.

I find the entire debate about Obamacare most interesting.

The Republican party has failed here. Instead of fighting this they should have fixed this. Instead, they boxed themselves into a corner and no matter what they would have lost. If they won this lawsuit or otherwise removed Obamacare, millions of people would have lost their healthcare, and the Republicans would have been blamed. Instead, the Republicans lost - Obamacare stands - and they still look bad.

This is a classic example of what's wrong with our government - Instead of fixing the problem, the Republican party decided to invest five years of fighting this. They should have improved the flaws in this law to fix it, not fight to remove it.

Obama was on the WTF Podcast this week. Pretty good interview.

In other news:
Anthem makes new offer to Cigna in 'frustration'
Physicians wary of looming mergers of nation's 'big five' health insurers | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Who is zooming who?

Emancipation? Republican President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation during the Civil War. In 1865, the 13th Amendment emancipating the slaves was passed with 100 percent of Republicans (88 of 88 in the House, 30 of 30 in the Senate) voting for it. Only 23 percent of Democrats (16 of 66 in the House, 3 of 8 in the Senate) voted for it.

Civil rights laws? In 1868, the 14th Amendment was passed giving the newly emancipated blacks full civil rights and federal guarantee of those rights, superseding any state laws. Every single voting Republican (128 of 134 -- with 6 not voting -- in the House, and 30 of 32 -- with 2 not voting -- in the Senate) voted for the 14th Amendment. Not a single Democrat (zero of 36 in the House, zero of 6 in the Senate) voted for it.

Right to vote? When Southern states balked at implementing the 14th Amendment, Congress came back and passed the 15th Amendment in 1870, guaranteeing blacks the right to vote. Every single Republican voted for it, with every Democrat voting against it.

Civil rights in the '60s? Only 64 percent of Democrats in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act (153 for, 91 against in the House; and 46 for, 21 against in the Senate). But 80 percent of Republicans (136 for, 35 against in the House; and 27 for, 6 against in the Senate) voted for the 1964 Act.

President Lyndon Johnson took the first step in initiating OSHA by calling on congress to pass laws to protect American workers. However, he was unable to gather enough votes to establish the act, a feat that was later achieved during the Nixon administration (US Department of Labor).

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/91-1970/h383

Oh fuck it, I am tired of this already

nope but a question for you... honest answer pls... your health ins double in cost or go down with obama care????

.. yep big issue for sure :2 cents:

abe= FIRST republican pres

democrat placed confederate battle flag on SC capital building in 1961


I had somebody whining about stuff like this on FB the other day... there is a site that LIST all the lawmakers and their votes... sure wasn't anything like the crappy meme from occupy that was floating around that's for sure..

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That's their argument because that's all they have.

Ask a republican to name one good thing conservatives have done for the country in the past 30 years and they'll stare at you with a blank face and say something like 'classified ketchup as a vegetable'?

:1orglaugh

I pay more but I have a far far better plan. Never had a copay before, always just a zillion dollar deductible. It was $175 a month for high deductible ($3600 I believe) that included nothing. Now its $225 gold plan for I believe $1250 deductible, but includes a lot more stuff like doc visits, prescriptions etc

the Republican party didn't invest 5 years in bringing this to the SC. King v Burwell et al are not the republicans v the democrats.

thx u potus obama

Got better for $100 a month less. Humana. No subsidies or tax credits.

you're fooling yourself if you think the republicans spent 5 years bringing this case to the SC.

i couldn't give a shit what kind of fucking argument you think it is. the fucking fact is i replied to rochard's post, not you. and in fucking fact, rochard's quote i used does claim the republicans spent 5 years on this- this being this fucking case being discussed in this fucking thread.

strawman argument, gofuckyourself.

http://i.imgur.com/xavrGmO.jpg

you need glasses.

the part you are not grasping is this case (and this thread) have absolutely ZERO to do with republicans fighting obamacare.

they are 2 entirely mutually exclusive events. one has no bearing or impact on the other in any fucking way whatsofuckingever.

the circle of your bullshit is now complete.


first you were trying to correct me on what you were confused about, now that i sorted you out on that, you are trying to correct me on my sorting you out.

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you're getting better at this btw. keep working on it, you'll get here eventually!!!11 :warning

i'm going to help you out again, since you like fancy concepts like strawman. the debate position you should have taken was that i took rochard's comment out of context.

he claimed

"This is a classic example of what's wrong with our government - Instead of fixing the problem, the Republican party decided to invest five years of fighting this. They should have improved the flaws in this law to fix it, not fight to remove it."

this, as it is used here, has nothing to do with the thread, the topic or even the actually SC decision.

not a strawman fallacy but the fallacy of quoting out of text.

next, neither of us know wtf he meant. for all we know, he very well may think the republicans brought this to the courts.

you're welcome.

by the way, fancy is sarcasm for gofuckyourself.

if i made a mistake about wtf rochard meant by "this", then he could certainly reply on his own behalf. he doesn't need you to hold his hand and reply speaking for him and derailing the thread with your semantics bullshit lesson.

fancy

I apologize to the OP for my part in this thread derailing.

I'm going to do the respectful thing and not carry on with you, tcl.

The only thing that is bad about Obamacare is that it is over enriching the insurance industry. The high bid for buying out Humana is $54 Billion. Who the hell pays $54 Billion and doesn't expect to make their money back and profit?

Americare (Mark coined the term) is on its way -- single payer health care supported by a FICA or SE tax scheme or possibly a large increase in the capital gains rates like 8%.

Most of the complaints about the Affordable Care Act are about money and a single payer system, like Medicare that seems to work, is the only way that costs will be controlled.

Private insured patients may be subsidizing Medicare and Medicaid rates so charges may have to be equalized to support acceptable service levels. You could still buy "umbrella" private medical insurance to receive preferential treatment above your taxed medical benefit. That type of insurance expense should be 100% deductible as you will already be paying 8% on the first $250,000 over ($14,000+ the poverty level) of your AGI on your 1040.

Bottom line: Healthcare costs will continue to rise for some.

I never said the Republicans have spent the past five years trying to take this to the Supreme Court - I said the Republicans have spent the past years trying to defeat Obamacare. It's pretty much been their primary goal since the day Obamacare become law.

This is disappointing. The Republican party plan has been "make Obama and the Democrats look bad" at all costs. Why move forward when we can spent millions more an yet another investigation into Benghazi? A former United States Senator was just brutally shot and killed in a church, but let's put yet more effort into fighting Obamacare.

Ten years from now the general public will remember one thing and one thing only - Obamacare. All of this petty bullshit is just making the Republican party look bad.