Germany and the EU are heading into recession
 

https://www.google.com/search?source...10.raU12l3coo4

https://www.theguardian.com/business...on-its-germany

[IMG]News that German industrial production fell by 1.9% in November came as a nasty shock. The stock response to the contraction in the third quarter was that it was due to the tightening up of European vehicle emission standards which led to one-off problems for its carmakers that would quickly be overcome.[/IMG]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/germ...recession.html

Another good reason to leave the EU. For an economy like the UK to tie itself to others is bad. To tie itself politically to others is madness. Because one good economy can adjust itself faster and better to suit itself than 29 of mixed abilities all looking out for themselves.

Would Germany be better off on it's own? Why not. It's still a great economy, great manufacturing, great people. But tied to place like Greece, Bulgaria, Cyprus, etc it will struggle because or the way the EU is run, votes and shares out the strong countries money.

Nothing unusual, it cannot be always growth sometime it need to go down. Also, Germany is big thanks to no tariffs and huge export, otherwise they would not make anything. For example, i spent a lot of money on german products as they are usually quite cheap, with tariff they would not be cheapest so i would have to buy something else.

if you wouldn't wear blinkers you would see that the whole world is sliding into a new crisis. you can thank trump for that.

at no time is a community more important than at the time of a crisis. UK will be alone then.

at the present time i even doubt that the brexit even takes place because the brits have noticed on the one hand that they were led into this vote with lies and on the other hand because they are slowly recognizing the whole carrying range.

I hope that they do a new general election because this would not only show the truth about this brain manipulated voting it would also bring the right people into power.

The no Tariffs thing is a red herring. We had no tariffs with the Common Market. Countries around the world can set Trade Deals to no tariffs.

Well yes, technically it could be variant where it would be just EU without borders and without tariffs, but that scenario is highly unlikely.

Yes we face a time of recession because China is heading there. But you missed my point, can an independent strong economy, like Germany, better ride it out than it can tied to economies like the ones at the bottom of this list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...y_GDP_(nominal)

Especially when those countries have so much power in Brussels.

As for the way negotiations went. T. May fucked up badly. She allowed the EU to set the agenda in every sector, she gave way time after time, she made no preparations to show that the UK was ready to leave with a No Deal,etc. The EU on the other hand were brilliant at negotiations. They told her what they wanted and she agreed repeatedly, even after telling everyone these were her Red Lines and she wouldn't take less.

We knew that the majority of Parliament was opposed to the result, they didn't follow the vote of the people. Because the Upper Middle Class are doing well from being in the EU. The country isn't. We have to either spend a lot more money we don't have, which has to be raised by taxes or borrowing.

Because after 25 years of the EU, wages stagnated, taxes fell, debts rose and things like housing, welfare budgets have gone through the roof.

ahhh you mean making a worldwide union?

great idea - exactly THIS is what globalism means you dumb !

Not really, as Labour has said they will respect the vote.

The Common Market already had set no tariffs. So not unlikely but already happening.

It's he political union that's doing damage to strong nations. Once you tie yourself politically to the lower half of this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...y_GDP_(nominal) decisions are made that hold back the stronger nations.

The Euro is a great example of why a political union set on uniting Europe at any cost is a crazy idea. On paper it's great to have a single currency in countries like Germany, France, Holland, etc. But give it to Greece, Portugal, Italy, etc and then have no central control is madness. The results are here https://www.statista.com/statistics/...c-product-gdp/

A currency has to be controlled by a central power. But in their belief in uniting Europe they ignored that and went down the wrong route.

Can doesn't mean have to. Just educating you on the English language.

Both Tories and Labour manifestos said leaving the EU would happen. But from the start many politicians opposed that. Making the whole thing into a mess. The EU was united, it fears losing the UK because without the UK political power, money and GDP falls. With a good deal the UK will take the EU to the cleaners and the dream is over, without a good deal the EU loses a major customer and there's some hope in keeping the dream alive.

And that's what a united Europe is, a dream as far fetched as unicorns. That's not to say a Trade Deal between European Countries is impossible. Not to say that agreements on people working around Europe can't be made. All these things were possible before the EU made it better for companies to poach skilled people from other nations, to also employ unskilled to keep down labour costs, etc.

There's very little the EU can create that can't be created without a United Europe.

yes thanks to trump who failed to decrease the negative tradebalance with china (the opposite is the case) but fucked up EVERY OTHER economy.

something like an independend economy is not existing since the homo sapiens left africa.

and I don´t really know what you want to prove with the link you send me.

did it ever come to your mind the voting power and GDP have also to do with population?
and look who is second on that list !!!!

even if that would be correct it shows you already the power of a union versus the power of one country.

but it is not correct because the only thing brits want is not to pay anything.
but the point is that they still have a lot of "debts".

one of the EU rules is that bills are send to a receiver in year X because they agreed to pay. but that does not mean that the ammount is to pay in that year. it can be done at any any time later.

so EVERY EU country agreed to pay different bills (they did not really pay it yet and this is one of the very big brexit lies) and for this the received also from the money pot (but his money they received RIGHT AWAY)

so britain received but did not pay the obligations they had for that.
and they think they can leave the EU without paying it.

you should inform yourself about the circumstances before you post nonsense.

the most important economic factor in an economy is the upper middle class. money goes from up to down.

and sure the parliament did not like to pay obligations but they are here and nobody else will pay for it just because they don´t want.

why do you count everything on that and don´t include other aspects ?

i think i told you a million times that money tells you nothing. what tells you something is prosperity. or: what you GET for your money. welfare is part of this prosperity because it helps people to survive even in situations when they can´t.

it also helps the economy because it helps people to SPEND MONEY BACK into the money circulation and keeps it alive.

if you would start to understand what an economy is, what money is and how an economy keeps spinning, you would come to the conviction that we can not measure things on money or % but on what we can buy with it. if you compare that with the past you would see how good we are doing.

maybe you should read a bit about human memory and how true it is what we remember.
maybe that would give you an explanation why we see in every generation this "the past was much better thing".

let´s see.
i think the one and only question of a next general election is who is pro and who is contra the brexit or at least pro or contra a new vote.

if both parties will go for the brexit with every consequences your new prime minister will possibly be someone that you do not even know yet.

Well, there was an idea to have 2 euroes - one for countries which are in good condition and second for crappy economy conditions where value which will be lower then first euro version, and i think that's good idea but as it opposes the unity idea it will never pass which kind a suck.So , if you would want to have strong euro version, then you will need to have strong economy first.

It's a leaders responsibility to protect his/her country first. The US suffers by the balance of trade between it and Third World Nations. That has to change if more Americans are not to be thrown on the scrapheap.



If you can't see the problem I can't help you.



Machines have made population numbers less important for centuries. That's how a tiny nation like Great Britain was so powerful.



Not in the case of countries like Germany.

So it was always going to be relied on to pay in so much.



Not to the detriment of the working class. That's how governments like the Nazi Party are created.


If prosperity was so good it would be generating enough taxes to support itself. Which one of these countries has raised enough in taxes, from prosperity, to avoid borrowing more over the last 20 years. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-eu-countries/

Do you understand how democracy works?

Parties set out what they plan to do in a manifesto.

People vote on the manifesto.

Parties are committed to carrying out their manifesto.

Not doing what they think the next government might do.

One Euro is possible. But it has to have central control separate from political interference as much as possible. There also has to be strict regulations on taxes, spending and borrowing. To avoid the mess some countries are in. But few countries would agree to that, so giving them individual control was allowed in order to chase the dream.

Great Britain dropped from the EU country with the highest growth to the last place since deciding on the Brexit.

Another Paul Markham success thread.

True but as both main parties wont call a new vote, and UK members of parliament are first past the post, rather than proportional representation (which explains why UKIP only had one MP and that was a defection from the conservatives.) you sort of only have 2 options to chose from, and both say they wont have a new vote.

Because Porn is free and no one pays for it, in Germany!

the teachings of paul markham in action :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


https://static.independent.co.uk/s3f...-copy.jpg?w660


One analysis by researchers from the London School of Economics estimate that the UK economy is today around £20bn smaller than where it would have been without the Leave vote – which translates to a cost of around £300m a week.

Which means dollar is going up, time to thank mr Trump

https://spectator.imgix.net/content/...op&w=820&h=550

:upsidedow

The British voted to leave twice, both in the referendum and at the last election. This was after voting for the party that promised to give them the chance to decide on whether to be In or Out. That's democracy in action.

Whether it's good for British or bad we will see, but that wasn't the reason more voted Out than In. They voted Out because they saw Brussels taking more and more power away from Westminster, making their lives worse, because after 25 years they were poorer, the government was forced into spending more, foreign labour taking their jobs both low skilled and high skilled. But most of all they feared the coming end when Brussels would wield most power and relegate State Governments down.

Presently the only people in Brussels committed to stopping that are the Far Right. And Britain is yet to vote for a Far Right Party in any numbers that matter. https://www.google.com/search?source...j0.vXg5SV9_eUk

correction: the far right is committed to promising magic beans...the promise of magic beans gets dumb dumbs to vote for them...then when they come to power they just fuck shit up like trump :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

If you think the Unification of Europe with most power in Brussels is inevitable. You're a sad little man. But I do understand why you think that. Serbia is one of the tiny countries that expect to be given money by the EU.

Liberals failed it.

#ThanksTrump

power in brussles is the price you pay for being in a community...others get to call the shots...but in exchange you get a big market and stability...reduced prices for all involved...in no way is it 100% fair and neither is life...it is the price you pay for the benefits of the market...the cost of doing business so to speak...

you are free to leave, and brexit is showing its results...they are not good...the magic beans did not work...you now call your own shots but it slowed down your growth below italy and they are in SHIT :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh France has 2x your GDP growth rate :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

knee grow, serbia had a 35% better GDP growth rate than the UK...kneeeeeeeee groooooow!...do you understand how much SHIT serbia is in? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dude you should be worried...the UK is now wide open to DUMPS <----this

the markets are about to turn south...the minor currencies are about to get dumped...no discussion about this, it is just what the markets do, they DUMP the beta shit....
D U M P!...

together you were strong...now you are alone...the brussles club will stick together...how about you? LOL

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I hate to say this but... I agree. What comes up must go down.

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gb...-into-year-end

Pound Sterling "Worst Currency to Hold" into Year-End, Takes a Hammering vs. Dollar and Euro as Market Gears up for Brexit Bill Failure :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh


the most used keyword to describe post brexit UK currency and stock: fragile

pauls meager UK pension is about to get smaller...

well if that is the case than the problem will be even bigger.

one of the big complains is northern ireland.
if this is not part of the EU it will cause a border between ireland and northern ireland.
this can cause a new civil war (what will be much more cost intensive than the brexit) or that northern ireland will jump into the EU. and this would be directly followed by scottland.


the EU wants an open border between ireland and northern irleand. the brits don´t want it.

so the real complicated part is not even here now. it will come after the brexit together with MANY others.

that brexit will never work for england you can see easily on the fact that paul, the bloodhound dog under the flop hunters, agree with it :-)

a weak pount is the best what the UK economy can hope for.
low pound means low prices when a country imports from there.

the dark side of the metal is that britain is an island and needs to import many things from outside. those things will become more expensive with a low pound.

but better ask paul, he knows more about those things as we and all economic scientists together.

simple explanation for paul:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GrossHonor...restricted.gif

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You should take in more immigrants. I hear they're great for the economy.

as long as individuals as you stay out everyone is welcome.

Trump has nothing to do with a world-wide recession, it has been underway with or without him. False accusations and lies.

What's really unfortunate Thommy is that thanks to your politics Europe has never been in a more difficult situation than today since the end of WW2.

Good job EU :thumbsup

EU is on a mission to divide and conquer the entire continent of Europe, turning its citizens into low wage slaves, eradicate European culture, wipe out any sense of nationalism. There's no unity going on and the community you seek doesn't exist. Your whole argument is based on nonsense and a foundation outside reality.

drax logic: trump is not to blame because it is a global recession but the EU is to blame because it is a global recession :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


and your whole argument is based on magic beans :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh