RIP Phoenix Forum
 

Holy shit.

So, it is with mixed emotions that CCBill announces that we will not be producing The Phoenix Forum for 2020. The needs of the industry have changed, and with that, so must change the trade conferences which support the business.

https://www.thephoenixforum.com/tpfn...-phoenix-forum

Ah man that's sad :(

sad to hear :(

I blame the tubes

Very sad news indeed.

blame the crackdown on spam. the whales are still swimming :2 cents::2 cents: the guppies are shit now :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

# Thanks Chump !

Never went

Of all the shows i think it was the best :2 cents:

Tubes + cam hookers

We went this year for the first time since 2009.
But there was nothing for us there. We actually left on the morning of the third day and wasted money on the hotel room that day (we were booked for the whole show).

Without a healthy affiliate and paysite model for adult...there isn't really any need for a show.

No new business for a pornographer, affiliate, and paysite owner like myself to be had at an adult convention with this current business environment.

I think we are going to start attending the fan shows like Exxotica and see how that rolls. At least it will be fun.

I've heard the same.

CCBILL is top notch :thumbsup

You just proved that you do not live in Monarch Beach. No way would a program owner not go to TPF when it was so close.

You really do lie about everything don't you?

I completely disagree with that. You shouldn't be going to a show ONLY to find affiliates. You should go to shows to meet other people like you and get tips and advice from them.

I went to the pizza expo in Vegas this year (shhh) and.... All of the pizza joints aren't there to get customers. They are there to learn.

Sad news. I went '03 to '08 and loved that show.:2 cents:

With so few paysites and affiliates pushing paysites there's no need for either to turn up to speak to people only interested in selling/buying traffic which can be done online.

With so much free porn where's the need to buy porn?

With so much low quality porn, where's the need to buy month after month of porn?

I bought a month's membership to a site that sold Ben Dover's porn last month. I was looking for scenes he did with girls I knew.

Within a month I had downloaded the sites entire library. Most of it was other producers scenes, the large majority were crap. No real intro, reason to fuck or identity to separate scene from scene, bad angles and lighting. So I deleted most of the other scenes.

Why pay $30 a month for that crap? And don't tell me it was amateur, that's no excuse for crap with professionals models.

I predicted free porn will bring about the decline of this industry 20 years ago and now it's happened.

Ah well it's not really a rocket science to make such prediction.

says the rocket scientist :1orglaugh

RIP TPF

20 years ago everyone said I was crazy.

I told you that free porn would kill magazines, now it turns out free everything is slowly all magazines.

I told you huge sites for $30 would slowly kill DVD porn.

I told you that most new business was coming from offline to online porn. When that's gone there is no more.

2019 shows are in decline, most boards have died and few people earn 100% of a good living from porn.

Traffic is king

(so long as you have the most and best free porn content)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:thumbsup :2 cents: !!! T H I S !!! :2 cents: :thumbsup

you blaming trump? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You guys are missing the true tragedy here, no more strip Dodge ball

20 years ago was year 1999, there was no webmaster boards yet then, so where did you said that ? :1orglaugh

What if you are affiliate, what to do on show then ?

Sign of the dimes . . .

I have never gone to TPF but I have been to enough European shows to totally 100% agree with you! These shows now are nothing more than traffic sellers doing the traffic circle jerk game, cam models, dick pills and dating offers. Oh - and 3rd party billers like CCBill.

So there's nothing there for content producers, paysite owners, affiliates or anyone else who isn't buying/selling traffic or promoting cams.

I wonder how long it will be before the European shows start to close down?

TES will never close down for simple reason - Andreas figured out how porn is going to shitter and focusing his show to be "universal" show and so far it's working good for him as numbers are growing by each year. But it's still porn show no matter how hard someone would try to deny it.

An unprecedented run. Thank you CCBill for the many years of top-shelf shows!

Most of these shows years back were to put producers togheter with web sellers. Once that changed and everybody is just trading the same shit over and over, this could have been predicted. The upside of all of this is, that it is not far away when the recycled shit will no longer be of interest to anybody, so a new and good quality content will be made and then new sellers will pop up and the whole "shebang" will start over again.:2 cents:

Sssshhhh just let him think he's a fortune teller savant and none of us said the same thing when tubes actually came along :1orglaugh

I told you so

I told you so

I told you so!


And look who's still in the business... and look who's not :winkwink:

You never adapted Paul Markham.

You didn't see the forest from the trees Paul.

You thought business-to-business content creation sales was the way to sustain yourself in the industry when tubes came along.

You didn't adapt to direct to consumer sales and now you're extinct.

Also your prediction of tubes completely destroying the industry in 20 years is wrong.

Why?

Because as you can see with recent legislation, governments are all started to force platforms to be responsible for the content they disseminate. This regulation is going to be the savior of the porn industry and its going beyond age verification.

Anyway we all become extinct at one point or another. We've all had good runs, some of us are still having good runs. There are always bumps in the road but we continue on :thumbsup

uh, yes there were.

Paul wasn't allowed to post on any of them but they existed.

Oh I misread that post, I thought Klen said tubes weren't around in 1999 :1orglaugh

Paul thinks he was telling everyone 8 years before the first tube was created that tubes would kill the industry :1orglaugh

There is no shortage of paysites. These days we don't have enough affiliates. Ten years ago the show was full of affiliates - everyone WANTED to be an affiliate and WANTED to go to the shows.

Why would someone pay for a paysite? Simple. Because they like the content. If you like a certain niche - teen lesbians for example - you search until you find a site that delivers exactly what you want time after time again. With free porn it's easy to find porn, but difficult to find exactly what you want.

There aren't many affilaites these days....

I am an affiliate; I still run a handful of blogs and still make money off of them every month.

That is the attitude :2 cents: . . .

I was told this by a porn billionaire and a porn millionaire. Paul Raymond and David Sullivan said these things.

Yeah and every affiliate wanted 10 banners in different sizes than ever other affiliate wanted and after all the work you'd get 12 clicks from them :1orglaugh

Now the affiliates left are awesome top notch and know exactly what they are doing but traffic is harder for them to get now. Sucks

Only a fool gives out tips to people wanting to do the same as he does. Do you really expect people to encourage and help the enemy?

There's enough free porn online to satisfy 99.9% of the consuming market. So the cost of production vs the ROI will rule. To produce a new scene isn't enough unless the new scene has something the 100,000s of scenes in the same style/niche don't have. Then there's the skills of the producer. Every day the good producers are falling and new ones aren't replacing them. Because they can't build experience.

A good couple's porn scene starts at $2,000, plus buying the equipment and that can send the costs rocketing. Consider it has to be different from all the other scenes.