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skillfull 06-12-2004 10:10 PM

canadiens, will you vote Liberal ?
 
even with all the scandals ?

personnaly im going with the Bloc Quebecois, they arent that good
but all others sucks more anyway

Doctor Dre 06-12-2004 10:12 PM

NPD isnt bad ... they got good fresh ideas and are still liberals .

I aiint gonna vote for conservative for 100 % sure

Fletch XXX 06-12-2004 10:14 PM

http://www.rentyman.com/extra/rebel_flag.gif

inside every canadian is an american redneck trying to get out

skillfull 06-12-2004 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
http://www.rentyman.com/extra/rebel_flag.gif

inside every canadian is an american redneck trying to get out

not in Quebec, maybe in Alberta :P

Jdoughs 06-12-2004 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skillfull
even with all the scandals ?

personnaly im going with the Bloc Quebecois, they arent that good
but all others sucks more anyway

Scandals?? that were started by the other parties?

So which is better.

I'll be voting and it sure as fuck wont be the BQ or the Conservatives

skillfull 06-12-2004 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jdoughs
Scandals?? that were started by the other parties?

So which is better.

I'll be voting and it sure as fuck wont be the BQ or the Conservatives

if i would be from Quebec, i would vote NPD, liberals are highly corrupted and conservative are fucked up religious people

Doctor Dre 06-12-2004 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jdoughs
Scandals?? that were started by the other parties?

So which is better.

I'll be voting and it sure as fuck wont be the BQ or the Conservatives

Ugh ? They fucked up millions ...

fuzebox 06-12-2004 10:33 PM

Conservative.

Doctor Dre 06-12-2004 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skillfull
if i would be from Quebec, i would vote NPD, liberals are highly corrupted and conservative are fucked up religious people
I still think they would probably be the best governement .. I just dont wanna show them my support at all .

They need to wake up and see they can loose the spot and correct themselves.

Jdoughs 06-12-2004 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Ugh ? They fucked up millions ...
They all fuck up millions, its there job.

skillfull 06-12-2004 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Ugh ? They fucked up millions ...
more like billions :Graucho

skillfull 06-12-2004 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skillfull
if i would be from Quebec, i would vote NPD, liberals are highly corrupted and conservative are fucked up religious people
btw wouldn't not would, im kind of tired :P

FlyingIguana 06-12-2004 10:46 PM

who else can you vote for?

ndp is just ass. raise taxes and hope they have enough money to cover spending increases. makes a ton of sense to me....

liberals or pc's. lets see, liberals control spending, who knows what pc's will do.

have to vote liberal. all governments suck, but the liberals are doing a decent job at knocking down our debt and not really getting in the way of business.

BillyHoe 06-12-2004 11:27 PM

:321GFY bloc

xxxdesign-net 06-12-2004 11:38 PM

the bloc? :1orglaugh Thats a nice wasted vote.. unless you are a separatist.. you would be fucking dumb to vote for them...

As for Liberals being corrupted.. please.. 1st ... nothing has been proven as far as the heads of the government being involved.. 2nd... They are extremely solid economically .. thats what count in the end..

FlyingIguana 06-13-2004 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
the bloc? :1orglaugh Thats a nice wasted vote.. unless you are a separatist.. you would be fucking dumb to vote for them...

As for Liberals being corrupted.. please.. 1st ... nothing has been proven as far as the heads of the government being involved.. 2nd... They are extremely solid economically .. thats what count in the end..

damn someone with his head on right

other parties platforms just don't make sense. sure liberals may have wasted a ton of cash, but at the end of the day they're paying down the debt brought on by past governments.

tedwinters 06-13-2004 12:12 AM

Hah, talking about corruption and then voting bloc??
Have you seen how much money they've wasted, and how much money they're planning to waste???
they're damn idiots...

I agree that there isn't much choice out there right now..
NDP aren't great (big waste of tax dollars..), Conservatives have morally strong stances... too moral!! :)
Bloc.. well.... I already went over that ;) BIG waste of money.. Did you know that the province of Quebec currently has the HIGHEST amount of reparation payments ($4 billion per year) (in otherwords, the government of Canada pays them $4b)...
Yet, still incurs the largest debt per year?
And the fucking language laws are a joke... definately hurting the Quebec economy... a buddy of mine just got fined because his QC hosted website, targetting American customers, wasn't defaulting to the French language, and didn't have a full French translation...

I'm going to have to vote liberal, just cause they're the best of the worst...

Hamlet 06-13-2004 12:19 AM

I'm not so much voting liberal as voting against conservative... I considered some of the other parties - but at this point the race between the liberals and conservatives is actually getting pretty close. So a vote for the liberal party is a vote against the conservative party in my view.

skillfull 06-13-2004 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tedwinters
Hah, talking about corruption and then voting bloc??
Have you seen how much money they've wasted, and how much money they're planning to waste???
they're damn idiots...

I agree that there isn't much choice out there right now..
NDP aren't great (big waste of tax dollars..), Conservatives have morally strong stances... too moral!! :)
Bloc.. well.... I already went over that ;) BIG waste of money.. Did you know that the province of Quebec currently has the HIGHEST amount of reparation payments ($4 billion per year) (in otherwords, the government of Canada pays them $4b)...
Yet, still incurs the largest debt per year?
And the fucking language laws are a joke... definately hurting the Quebec economy... a buddy of mine just got fined because his QC hosted website, targetting American customers, wasn't defaulting to the French language, and didn't have a full French translation...

I'm going to have to vote liberal, just cause they're the best of the worst...


how can the bloc can waste your money if they never have been elected (and will never be) and yes im separatist
an do youu know that dont advance fact you cant prove
we do not receive 4 billions more than we suppose to, in fact, we loose money everyday being with Canada. Fining people for website is stupid, and i dont believe its happened, if its happened, lets say that some functionnaries is stupid, and there is nothing you can do against stupidity except fire that stupid guy/girl

anywya, the best solution imho is a minority liberal governement

Pete 06-13-2004 05:43 AM

PC

notjoe 06-13-2004 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jdoughs
Scandals?? that were started by the other parties?

So which is better.

I'll be voting and it sure as fuck wont be the BQ or the Conservatives

You dont consider the hundreds of millions spent on ad companies who did little or no work a scandal?

CDSmith 06-13-2004 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by skillfull
and yes im separatist
I stopped reading your drivel right there. As far as I'm concerned that statement removes any credibility you may have had.

CDSmith 06-13-2004 05:54 AM

Here is an email I received yesterday. I'm not saying I agree with it either in whole or in part, but it is reflective of several Canadians.... Lengthy but with some interesting points.

Quote:

My name is Alan Robberstad
I am a Canadian.
One voter out of millions of Canadian voters.
Paul Martin is no friend of mine.
Liberal governments have not made my life any better.
Liberal governments have made the future worse for my
children.
Jean Chretien and the Liberal Party became Prime
Minister many years ago.
Guess who was the Liberal Finance Minister.....Paul
Martin...LEST WEFORGET
Since 1993:
(1) My taxes have increased.
(2) My family's share of the national debt has increased.
(3) My personal expenses have increased.
(4) My waiting time to see a doctor has increased.
(5) My concerns for my family's safety have increased.
(6) My costs to educate my children have increased.
(7) Government interference in my life has increased.
(8) My personal debt has increased.
(9) My income has stayed more or less the same.
(10) My savings have decreased.
(11) The buying power of my dollar, in Canada, has decreased.
(12) The value of my dollar, in the U.S., has decreased.
(13) My trust of elected officials has decreased.
(14) My trust in the justice system has decreased.
(15 )My trust in the immigration system has decreased.
(16) My hope that a Liberal won't waste my tax dollars has
decreased.
(17 )My dreams for a better future for my kids, in Canada,
have
disappeared.

That is my story since the Liberals came to power.

I am not voting for Paul Martin's Liberals.
I am voting against Paul Martin and his Liberal Party on June 28,
2004.

I am voting for Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party.

Do I like the Conservatives?
Not particularly......I don't really like Politics.
I am not political by nature.
I am not passionate about politics.
I am a middle age guy (48).
I live in a small house on a fairly quiet street in Edmonton.
I have a wife, Kathy, and two children (ages 19 and 17).
I have no pets.
I am a middle class man.
I don't usually say too much.

Until now.

Now I am going to say something!

In 35 of the past 37 years, Canada has been ruled by:
Quebec.
(2) Brian Mulroney - a multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec.
(3) Jean Chretien - a multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec.
(4) And now we are going to vote for Paul Martin???? - a
multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec???

The leader of the Conservative party, Stephen Harper, is:
(1) Not a lawyer.
(2) Not a multi-millionaire.
(3) Not from Quebec.

Stephen Harper says that the Conservative party will:
(1) Reduce my taxes.
(2) Pay off the national debt as fast as they can.
(3) Shrink the size and influence of the federal government.

That's good enough for me.
I'm going to give the Conservative party a chance with my vote.

But wait!
Paul Martinis now saying the same thing.
My mother told me forty years ago:
"Fool me once - shame on you.
Fool me twice - shame on me!"

The Liberals have had 34 years to be financially responsible.
Remember, Jean Chretien was Trudeau's Finance Minister.
Remember also, Paul Martin was Jean Chretien's Finance Minister
These people have been raising my taxes for thirty four years.
They have been mis-spending my tax dollars for 34 years.


34 years!


And now Paul Martin says he'll stop taxing and spending.
No way.

Thank you for reading my story so far!

Why am I telling my story to you?

Although I feel alone, I know that I am not alone.
Your story may be similar to mine.
And you may also feel alone.
One small voter in the midst of millions of voters.

What can you and I do together to change things?

Here is my idea:
Lets you and I join up together.
Just you and I.
Together.
As a small team of two.

How can you and I fight a huge political machine?

You and I have two things that we can use:
(1) Our individual personal connections.
(2) The Internet.

The Internet is supposed to be this global zing tool, right?
Let's put it to use.

I have 27 Canadians in my personal e-mail address book.
I am sending this e-mail to each of them.

I'm asking you to do two things:
(1) Forward this e-mail to every Canadian in your own address
book.
(2) Vote against Paul Martin and the Liberal Party on June
28.

Vote for the Conservative candidate in your riding.

I have probably written this e-mail too late.
As I said I am not politically adroit.
I feel like Peter Finch, in the 1976 movie "Network",
when he shouted:
"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

Please, forward the e-mail RIGHT NOW!!

As I type these last few words the voting begins in less than 18
days.
432 hours till voting begins.
I hope the Internet is as fast as some people claim it is.

This may not work.
This e-mail may "fizzle out" and go nowhere.
But you and I will have tried, won't we have?

My best wishes to you.
My best wishes to Canadians everywhere.

My thanks to David Stokes from Toronto
He actually wrote this just (5) days before the last federal
election in 2000.
Fool me once - shame on you.
Fool me twice - shame on me!"

My own vote is still on the fence.

skillfull 06-13-2004 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
I stopped reading your drivel right there. As far as I'm concerned that statement removes any credibility you may have had.
in what the fact of me being separatist change anything to the fact that all federal political party sucks ?
i do not hate canadians or anything, its just not my country...
fact is Quebec people are differents, whatever they are with french origin, english or whatever ethnies they have
we just dont share point of view about a couple of subject with the rest of Canada
what the fuck Canada is doing in a monarchy ? why we still have a Senate which is totally useless ?
Canada isnt a country, sorry but like more 5 little country with an economical arrangement

CDSmith 06-13-2004 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by skillfull
in what the fact of me being separatist change anything to the fact that all federal political party sucks ?
i do not hate canadians or anything, its just not my country...
fact is Quebec people are differents, whatever they are with french origin, english or whatever ethnies they have
we just dont share point of view about a couple of subject with the rest of Canada
what the fuck Canada is doing in a monarchy ? why we still have a Senate which is totally useless ?
Canada isnt a country, sorry but like more 5 little country with an economical arrangement

I'm not going to debate your bullshit separatism shit buddy. There are 6 million people in Quebec, less than half of them think the way you do so shut the hell up, you don't speak for all of Quebec. I have relatives there that have been there for generations too, and they disagree with you, period.

If you don't like being part of Canada fuck off

bad_girl 06-13-2004 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by skillfull

Canada isnt a country, sorry but like more 5 little country with an economical arrangement [/B]
Have you been outside of Quebec? A lot of people seem to think we are a country aside from Quebecers.

Everytime I go to Quebec, Montreal specifically, there is always attitude. Sometimes I think you guys should form a country with the Newfies :)


In any case, I will be voting for the Green Party, I dont know what they stand for but its better than liberal scandal, consvervative ignorance and NDP overspending.

BG

evildick 06-13-2004 08:39 AM

Definately Conservative. My family is in the health care business and the Liberals are fucking things up royally in Ontario.

They are talking about all the new money they are putting into health care to hire 2000 nurses, but at the same time, behind the scenes, they are cutting funding that will result in the loss of approximately 700 dietary, housekeeping and maintenance staff in health care facilities. We are not allowed to talk about it in the media as a condition that they will work on rectifying this. We are not holding our breath. They have been given 60 days, and if they don't fix this, expect a shitstorm to hit the media in the next month or so regarding nursing homes that shows them to be the liars everyone suspects them to be.

Only thing I don't like about the Conservatives is their stance on abortion.

bad_girl 06-13-2004 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by evildick

Only thing I don't like about the Conservatives is their stance on abortion. [/B]
YA but its not like they are going to overturn abortion legislation.

BG

doober 06-13-2004 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by skillfull
how can the bloc can waste your money if they never have been elected (and will never be) and yes im separatist
an do youu know that dont advance fact you cant prove
we do not receive 4 billions more than we suppose to, in fact, we loose money everyday being with Canada. Fining people for website is stupid, and i dont believe its happened, if its happened, lets say that some functionnaries is stupid, and there is nothing you can do against stupidity except fire that stupid guy/girl

anywya, the best solution imho is a minority liberal governement

http://www.funniespictures.com/pictu...p_your_ass.jpg
get your head out of your ass

:2 cents:

InsaneMidget 06-13-2004 08:48 AM

Bush

doober 06-13-2004 08:50 AM

Anyways as most have figured out its all pretty much a waste. Like someone was saying up top, no choice but to vote liberal as they are the best of the worst....if not a I will vote Rhino.

I almost feel like the americans with bush and kerry with this bullshit

:(

Martin 06-13-2004 09:06 AM

Yes I will be.

AndrewKanuck 06-13-2004 09:07 AM

Don't throw your votes away, vote Harper in.

Martin 06-13-2004 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by egonetworks
Don't throw your votes away, vote Harper in.
Yeah no thanks..

FlyingIguana 06-13-2004 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by skillfull
how can the bloc can waste your money if they never have been elected (and will never be) and yes im separatist
an do youu know that dont advance fact you cant prove
we do not receive 4 billions more than we suppose to, in fact, we loose money everyday being with Canada. Fining people for website is stupid, and i dont believe its happened, if its happened, lets say that some functionnaries is stupid, and there is nothing you can do against stupidity except fire that stupid guy/girl

anywya, the best solution imho is a minority liberal governement

you'd lose more not being canadian.

FlyingIguana 06-13-2004 10:21 AM

a minority liberal government will work like this

other parties will block what they want to do. if they see any chance of getting them out at anytime, an election will be called. could happen in a year or two.

or if they make it the full term the other parties will talk about all the broken promises, but won't talk about how they fucked all of them just to make the liberals look bad.

in other words, nothing will get done

tedwinters 06-13-2004 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by skillfull
how can the bloc can waste your money if they never have been elected (and will never be) and yes im separatist
an do youu know that dont advance fact you cant prove
we do not receive 4 billions more than we suppose to, in fact, we loose money everyday being with Canada. Fining people for website is stupid, and i dont believe its happened, if its happened, lets say that some functionnaries is stupid, and there is nothing you can do against stupidity except fire that stupid guy/girl

anywya, the best solution imho is a minority liberal governement

Yeah, you DO receive $4b - google search or look under 'reparation payments' on stats-canada... It shows the amount of tax dollars each province receives back from the Canadian government in order to 'equalize' incomes...
Only 3 provinces don't receive reparation payments...
http://www.fin.gc.ca/transfers/transfers_eq_e.html
That'll help a bit..


As for the language laws and website:
http://aix1.uottawa.ca/~geist/globejune899.html
http://www.out-law.com/php/page.php?...4&area= news\

two websites there that got fined... My buddies didn't make the news, but if you find the webpage that lists all the fines given out, you'll find it...

So...

Anything else you accused me of making up??

As for the 'loosing money being in Canada', what do you think would happen if you lost the $4b/year by leaving Canada??? Quebec already has the highest debt level per capita... something like $12,000 per person!

Quebec is full of stupid laws (like the one saying that no commercial store can have more than 4 employees working after 9pm on weekdays, and 5pm on weekends...) and needs a political party that will REDUCE these laws... not strengthen them...

70% of Quebec's trade is with the US... want to know how many people speak french there?? It's time to mandate English learning in Quebec highschools..

Paul Waters 06-13-2004 12:45 PM

Have to kisk the liberals out. They have been in too long.

That mens the Conservatives, though I have to hold my nose over it.

:rasta

xxxdesign-net 06-13-2004 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pete
PC
Progressive Conservatives do not exist anymore...

CDSmith 06-13-2004 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bad_girl
In any case, I will be voting for the Green Party, I dont know what they stand for but its better than liberal scandal, consvervative ignorance and NDP overspending.
What NDP overspending? They've never been in power federally in all my 41 years of life, when have they had the chance to spend anything?


I'm not saying the NDP are the way to go here, but there is one school of thought out there that says it is funny that Canadians vote in the liberals, then when they screw up they vote in the PC's..... then when they screw up they vote back in the liberals.... back and forth, back and forth..... never giving the other parties a chance. I don't think I'll be voting NDP this time myself, but back in the day Ed Broadbent was a pretty damn solid candidate yet was never given the gold key even once. Today might look vastly different had they been given a chance.


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