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sacX 11-05-2006 12:39 AM

Let's sue Zango, I'll give $1000
 
Ok these guys deserve to go down.

I don't want to organise it, because I live so far away and I have no experience with suing folk (hey, I'm not american! :) )

But if we have enough people contribute, and some leadership then surely we have the power here to take those scamsters.

Anyone with me? :)

Mr. Marks 11-05-2006 12:52 AM

Global Class Action

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE 11-05-2006 12:53 AM

good idea man!

After Shock Media 11-05-2006 01:03 AM

Any decent lawyer who understands and specializes in class action lawsuits would not have a big issue taking it on if they felt it was winnable or that Zango will quickly settle. They just typically want around 40 to 60% of everything.

MaddCaz 11-05-2006 01:06 AM

fuck they do???

Mr. Marks 11-05-2006 01:08 AM

I'd sue for the PRINCIPLE and....besides, these types of cases are usually taken on contingency basis. Let the lawyers get the huge chunk of change, I just want a precedent set that normal contract principles prevent these types of installs from being "voluntary".

Jakke PNG 11-05-2006 01:26 AM

I'd rather sue rapidshare and the lot.

Kimo 11-05-2006 01:33 AM

fuck zango

Mr. Marks 11-05-2006 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather (Post 11244668)
I'd rather sue rapidshare and the lot.

Some fools using RS were trying to pimp my network, I turned the tables on them. Let's just say everytime they play the files I get traffic :1orglaugh :thumbsup

xclusive 11-05-2006 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather (Post 11244668)
I'd rather sue rapidshare and the lot.

I agree but what about going after them all? Have lawyers on retainer for things that could harm the industry.

gooddomains 11-05-2006 01:52 AM

got zango ?

Ace_luffy 11-05-2006 02:07 AM

that's not good to zango.. i guess!

Manowar 11-05-2006 03:10 AM

after today's FTC ruling i'd say anything is possible

Brujah 11-05-2006 10:03 AM

You just need to piss off the right people like I posted in another thread. Norm Zadeh for example, who got a settlement from AdultCheck. Show him URLs where AFF is paying them while they use his content.. or see if Zango is popping up over his sites.

fris 11-05-2006 10:06 AM

serious business

SleazyDream 11-05-2006 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 11247203)
You just need to piss off the right people like I posted in another thread. Norm Zadeh for example, who got a settlement from AdultCheck. Show him URLs where AFF is paying them while they use his content.. or see if Zango is popping up over his sites.

that's almost exactly where zango will get nailed - they are using other's content with concent - 2257 violation

sacX 11-05-2006 02:56 PM

bump....

madawgz 11-05-2006 03:06 PM

hmmmm thats an idea...maybe zango will one day dissapear

gfx3 11-05-2006 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather (Post 11244668)
I'd rather sue rapidshare and the lot.

True :mad: there are even some services who pay people to upload porn on their free file hosting network, so guys like Squishypimp who want to earn 5$ start uploading all the paysite content they can get their hands on to make 15$. That is what damages conversion ratios these days :warning

Pleasurepays 11-05-2006 03:14 PM

zango? why not sue the companies that use zango to take your joins away from you, their very own affiliates without compensation. zango is one company of hundreds doing the same thing. thinking you can change the world by attacking any one of them is both foolish and naive.

sacX 11-05-2006 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11248925)
zango? why not sue the companies that use zango to take your joins away from you, their very own affiliates without compensation. zango is one company of hundreds doing the same thing. thinking you can change the world by attacking any one of them is both foolish and naive.

If you get a ruling against one then it makes it harder for others to emulate.

woj 11-05-2006 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 11247218)
that's almost exactly where zango will get nailed - they are using other's content with concent - 2257 violation

I don't think you understand how zango works, they don't run any sites, so there is no way they can get nailed for 2257 violation. All they do is pop a popup when certain event happens. In most cases the event is when someone goes to certain site, popup gets popped. They could just as easily pop a popup when you open winamp to play an mp3, or when you watch a video clip with media player or even each time you start ms word.

Pleasurepays 11-05-2006 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacX (Post 11248954)
If you get a ruling against one then it makes it harder for others to emulate.

the things they are doing that cause people to lose money is legal. being upset and not liking it does not change that fact.

.... i wasn't thinking... trying to rally a bunch of 1/2 retarded, hugely independent, idiot pornographers together to fight a $500,000 - $1,000,000 legal fight with zango to vent frustration, makes perfect sense and is totally logical.

;)

sacX 11-05-2006 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11248979)
the things they are doing that cause people to lose money is legal. being upset and not liking it does not change that fact.

.... i wasn't thinking... trying to rally a bunch of 1/2 retarded, hugely independent, idiot pornographers together to fight a $500,000 - $1,000,000 legal fight with zango to vent frustration, makes perfect sense and is totally logical.

;)

Well, actually whether it's legal is very debatable, interfering with people's business is not legal.

Most likely it wouldn't require that sort of money because class action lawyers take on this sort of stuff for large percentage of the settlement. It's not beyond this board to actually achieve things when enough people care about it. If enough people do is at the moment a moot point.

Pleasurepays 11-05-2006 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacX (Post 11249031)
Well, actually whether it's legal is very debatable, interfering with people's business is not legal.

Most likely it wouldn't require that sort of money because class action lawyers take on this sort of stuff for large percentage of the settlement. It's not beyond this board to actually achieve things when enough people care about it. If enough people do is at the moment a moot point.

i dont think that the legality of anything they are doing is debatable. its a matter of public record. there are laws, there is case law, there is precedence, there have been government investigations, there has been lawsuits, there have been rulings, judgements and settlements.

They have been under significant government scrutiny and have the best legal representation in the country. First you have to spend ... how much? Probably 10-20K just to have attorneys assess the situation fully and give you an opinion on it. Then what? who is going to pay to fight assuming everyone can get on board with a weak case against them? Acacia got right in everyones face and claimed to own the rights to video/audio on the web and were suing people.. yet people did jack shit except for 11 companies and the few that sent cash. Some here know for sure, but i would venture to guess that the legal bill is probably over 1.5 mil by now. If people counldn't get on board to face an obvious, direct threat, then they definately won't get on board to face a threat where no one can know for sure if it affects them at all.

sacX 11-05-2006 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11249237)
i dont think that the legality of anything they are doing is debatable. its a matter of public record. there are laws, there is case law, there is precedence, there have been government investigations, there has been lawsuits, there have been rulings, judgements and settlements.

They have been under significant government scrutiny and have the best legal representation in the country. First you have to spend ... how much? Probably 10-20K just to have attorneys assess the situation fully and give you an opinion on it. Then what? who is going to pay to fight assuming everyone can get on board with a weak case against them? Acacia got right in everyones face and claimed to own the rights to video/audio on the web and were suing people.. yet people did jack shit except for 11 companies and the few that sent cash. Some here know for sure, but i would venture to guess that the legal bill is probably over 1.5 mil by now. If people counldn't get on board to face an obvious, direct threat, then they definately won't get on board to face a threat where no one can know for sure if it affects them at all.

the previous cases are from the perspective of the hapless users who have been tricked into installing Zango or their previous incarnations. This is a different gripe.

Uh people know for sure Zango affects them, do you even know how it works?

Theo 11-05-2006 04:34 PM

zango is untouchable

Rhesus 11-05-2006 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel (Post 11249412)
zango is untouchable

What makes you say so?

Theo 11-05-2006 04:51 PM

the latest FTC regulation, their clients list, their capital + their ability to further raise when needed. Mainstream industry pretty much autoregulated their aff. programs and prohibits the use of it for sales/leads generation after they gave up on rest means of fighting it.

sacX 11-05-2006 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel (Post 11249528)
the latest FTC regulation, their clients list, their capital + their ability to further raise when needed. Mainstream industry pretty much autoregulated their aff. programs and prohibits the use of it for sales/leads generation after they gave up on rest means of fighting it.

their capital is exactly what makes them a target and the FTC settlement only relates to deceptive installation practices.

Theo 11-05-2006 05:06 PM

valid point. I would be more optimistic if I had seen certain big aff.programs step against it, in the contrary though...

There several things that haven't been posted about zango the similar systems even after all these drama threads. For example:

Assuming you have aff.program A taking over #1 bid for their keywords to protect their business. This translates that just a % of the popups will be for this advertiser. Any advertiser can jump and take over 2nd, 3rd etc position with a starting min bid of 1.5cents. Right now I can go and bid on AFF/cams.com/sexsearch.com etc keywords and popup my own ads. So bottom line, do they actually protect their keywords? No, they just hijack sales from their affiliates.

$5 submissions 11-05-2006 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gfx3 (Post 11248918)
True :mad: there are even some services who pay people to upload porn on their free file hosting network, so guys like Squishypimp who want to earn 5$ start uploading all the paysite content they can get their hands on to make 15$. That is what damages conversion ratios these days :warning

You just described several of the most high traffic surfer forums. RS is killing adult webmasters' income. In addition to the weekly or more frequent network password postings. :(

Pleasurepays 11-05-2006 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacX (Post 11249360)
the previous cases are from the perspective of the hapless users who have been tricked into installing Zango or their previous incarnations. This is a different gripe.

Uh people know for sure Zango affects them, do you even know how it works?

yeah, i know how it works.... and i have a zango account. you have yet to clarify which US law is being broken or what your specific grievance is that you feel is defensible in court.

Theo 11-05-2006 05:22 PM

Pleasurepays is right. When FTC goes after you they examine many things and believe me they know zango/180s better than anyone of us. The company that has historykill was hammered by FTC no that long time ago. If you see the report that followed their case it was unbeliable,they had incredible details and pointed out all type of misleading actions that were taking place. For example misleading banners. Do I need to remind you how adult dating sites work these days? With deceiving fake geoads that show ppl that dont exist in those areas and charging surfers money to provide their contact. Enough said..

warlock5 11-05-2006 05:22 PM

Guys, the end is near. McDonalds is hiring.

sacX 11-05-2006 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11249680)
yeah, i know how it works.... and i have a zango account. you have yet to clarify which US law is being broken or what your specific grievance is that you feel is defensible in court.

I'm not a lawyer, that would be their job. It is clear they're stealing.

The FTC were most likely investigating a specific complaint from the installed users point of view. I very much doubt they considered the webmaster point of view at all. Zango surely won't have provided them with any information they didnt' have to.

Pleasurepays 11-05-2006 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacX (Post 11249761)
I'm not a lawyer, that would be their job. It is clear they're stealing.

ok... back to the beginning... how are they stealing? you are the one saying there is a case to be made, so .... ? how are they stealing?

i know how zango works. how is zango stealing?

sacX 11-05-2006 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11249797)
ok... back to the beginning... how are they stealing? you are the one saying there is a case to be made, so .... ? how are they stealing?

i know how zango works. how is zango stealing?

I buy advertising -> people click advertising -> people land on my site -> Zango popup obscures my site.

Pleasurepays 11-05-2006 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacX (Post 11249816)
I buy advertising -> people click advertising -> people land on my site -> Zango popup obscures my site.

again... what law is being broken? you don't own or control the surfers computer. the surfer does. what law is being broken?

i could use that same logic to argue that power outages and crappy hardware, frozen computers and any number of things affect a surfers ability to reach my site. why sue zango? sue god.

sacX 11-05-2006 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11249854)
again... what law is being broken? you don't own or control the surfers computer. the surfer does. what law is being broken?

i could use that same logic to argue that power outages and crappy hardware, frozen computers and any number of things affect a surfers ability to reach my site. why sue zango? sue god.

uh those don't even compare. For one Zango's popups are wilful interference. Like I said I'm not a lawyer, but if this was happening 'in the real world' there's no doubt it would be illegal.

You're obviously a Zango fan, I'm glad to know you're happy to indulge in unethical promotional methods.


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