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rollinthunder 11-24-2006 12:46 AM

Bigger issue than Zango... AFF shaves!
 
Well if they are involved in this Zango conspiracy, who would actually trust that their stats would be accurate?

Not like you can even do a test order, since they provide no data to the affiliate, no way to confirm anything.:2 cents:

Tryme 11-24-2006 12:47 AM

Zango = 5-10% shave

Philip G 11-24-2006 12:52 AM

LOL...

I was thinking exactly the same thing before I saw this thread.

Fucking cheaters and scammers...in the end will just be losers.

Shoehorn! 11-24-2006 12:55 AM

This might be a long thread.

WiredGuy 11-24-2006 12:57 AM

What you mean they don't provide data? You can see hits, profiles, sales, etc...?
WG

Preacher 11-24-2006 12:58 AM

I pulled down all of my AFF/Cams.com links a few days ago because of the zango shit :NopeNope

jscott 11-24-2006 01:03 AM

i'm delinking AFF

livechat 11-24-2006 01:05 AM

Zango is big shit, but I don't think AFF is shaving anyone, if they were, we would already got to see some stats showing it :2 cents:

Preacher 11-24-2006 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by livechat (Post 11382095)
Zango is big shit, but I don't think AFF is shaving anyone, if they were, we would already got to see some stats showing it :2 cents:

taking away your zango(wned) traffic is not shaving? :mad:

will76 11-24-2006 01:18 AM

LOL you guys post 100x to my 1 about AFF yet Lars only jumps my shit and calls me a hypocrite, broke, attention whore, etc.. etc.. etc..

Where is Lars these days ?

monro 11-24-2006 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rollinthunder (Post 11382019)
Well if they are involved in this Zango conspiracy, who would actually trust that their stats would be accurate?

Not like you can even do a test order, since they provide no data to the affiliate, no way to confirm anything.:2 cents:


martinsc 11-24-2006 01:38 AM

sig spot.... :)

monro 11-24-2006 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 11382060)
What you mean they don't provide data? You can see hits, profiles, sales, etc...?
WG

It's what they let you see. No third party billing.

Dagwolf 11-24-2006 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rollinthunder (Post 11382019)
Well if they are involved in this Zango conspiracy, who would actually trust that their stats would be accurate?

Not like you can even do a test order, since they provide no data to the affiliate, no way to confirm anything.:2 cents:

Post proof or be banned, that's the rule I think.

Not that I'm a mod or anything.

monro 11-24-2006 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf (Post 11382224)
Post proof or be banned, that's the rule I think.

Not that I'm a mod or anything.

He is not saying that they shave, just that it is possible as they admit shaving by the use of Zango. Of course some people will be banned here soon including myself. But it is better to be banned here than just swallow to be stolen from. I think that it is written somewhere: " you shalt not steal."

starpimps 11-24-2006 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11382139)
LOL you guys post 100x to my 1 about AFF yet Lars only jumps my shit and calls me a hypocrite, broke, attention whore, etc.. etc.. etc..

Where is Lars these days ?

hes hiding

grumpy 11-24-2006 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Preacher (Post 11382067)
I pulled down all of my AFF/Cams.com links a few days ago because of the zango shit :NopeNope

we are working on it.
For exmaple they came with the big..ingrease your sales with xxx% and win prices. We improved sales by a 100%. Never heard of them. Fuck aff.

monro 11-24-2006 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starpimps (Post 11382322)
hes hiding

Hiding here:
http://www.d8board.com/images/smilies/dighole.gif

ffmihai 11-24-2006 02:46 AM

aff always payed me well and also payed the xx% in time with no problems!

monro 11-24-2006 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffmihai (Post 11382421)
aff always payed me well

How do you know? Some inside information you could share?

scottybuzz 11-24-2006 04:17 AM

just to let you know i have done a test signup with cams.com and it worked.

marko13 11-24-2006 04:49 AM

post some stats....

Tuga 11-24-2006 04:57 AM

AFF stats are the worst in the industry. For a good reason.

LadyMischief 11-24-2006 05:53 AM

while I applaud the cause, you people are only focusing on Zango. If everyone would realize that Zango (180 solutions) is NOT the only company/software that does this, there's more in the range of 40 different companies that do this... think of the impact of those _40_ some-odd programs are having on traffic these days.

Corona 11-24-2006 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 11382964)
while I applaud the cause, you people are only focusing on Zango. If everyone would realize that Zango (180 solutions) is NOT the only company/software that does this, there's more in the range of 40 different companies that do this... think of the impact of those _40_ some-odd programs are having on traffic these days.

True. However, it is better to focus on one company instead of splitting the effort 40 ways.

Ultimately I think all the effort will be time wasted. I am still considering promoting Zango and the other 40+ scumbags until things get so bad that the government has no choice but to step in and shut them down.

RawAlex 11-24-2006 06:13 AM

The lack of an official AFF response in threads like this make me wonder who decides their public relations moves.

Whoever it is, they aren't earning their fur hat allotment.

LadyMischief 11-24-2006 06:18 AM

Stupid double posts.

LadyMischief 11-24-2006 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corona (Post 11383003)
True. However, it is better to focus on one company instead of splitting the effort 40 ways.

Ultimately I think all the effort will be time wasted. I am still considering promoting Zango and the other 40+ scumbags until things get so bad that the government has no choice but to step in and shut them down.


You're missing the point... do the math and think of what percentage of traffic is affected by these programs as a whole before they even get to you, and you soon realize that as much as 40% of traffic is currently going into the adware chasm without being productive. If Zango is only 1-2% of traffic, remember they all add up. While it's a noble cause to go after one, it's only going to mean that when that one is gone, there's 39 or so left to fight.

RawAlex 11-24-2006 06:29 AM

Yup... but Ladymischief, although I take alexa rankings and stats with a grain of salt, there is some proof there. The reach of AFF is down 25% this month from last, and I can't help but think that webmasters de-linking them is part of that reduction, especially in the face of apparently increased spending.

Other programs should take note: You too could suddenly lose a ton of traffic for playing with the wrong people. Zango is only one of many, but the warning applies evenly across all of these sorts of things.

corvette 11-24-2006 06:52 AM

The thread title makes it sound like you know they are shaving when your post speculates that you think they may do it (you had an exclamation point in the title but a question mark in your first post)

The people calling for an AFF response, the thread has been going for around 6 hours, and on the west coast its still very early + it’s a holiday, I just woke up after passing out early last night after Thanksgiving Dinner, so I woke up at 6am and thought I would check out gfy…

I glanced at the alexa rankings for aff a few weeks ago (I cant pull alexa up right now) and imo it did not appear to have changed recently, the trend looked consistent from the end of last year

I try to stay out of threads like this but thought I would make the above points, with all due respect

jayeff 11-24-2006 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 11382964)
while I applaud the cause, you people are only focusing on Zango. If everyone would realize that Zango (180 solutions) is NOT the only company/software that does this, there's more in the range of 40 different companies that do this... think of the impact of those _40_ some-odd programs are having on traffic these days.

You are absolutely right and it is a point I have made several times. The scumware apologists attempt to play down this issue by using this approach to their own advantage.

On the other hand, even if it were possible to organize a strategy instead of having to make do with the uncertainties of board drama, it likely would be sensible to focus on one target at a time. In terms of this board at least, that could mean AFF, cams.com and by extension, Zango.

StuBradley 11-24-2006 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11382139)
Where is Lars these days ?

My guess would be he's shacking up with Michael Richards, laying low and riding out the storm. He knows you guys will forget about this shit in a month or two.

HighSociety 11-24-2006 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 11382697)
just to let you know i have done a test signup with cams.com and it worked.

LOL a test sign-up. :1orglaugh is that whay you call it, buy some dvd's and see if we shave.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 11-24-2006 07:07 AM

popcorn anyone?



















sig spotting...........

jacklaidlaw 11-24-2006 07:08 AM

ahh fuck I missed a decent sig spot this one will have to do

RawAlex 11-24-2006 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette (Post 11383159)
The thread title makes it sound like you know they are shaving when your post speculates that you think they may do it (you had an exclamation point in the title but a question mark in your first post)

The people calling for an AFF response, the thread has been going for around 6 hours, and on the west coast its still very early + it?s a holiday, I just woke up after passing out early last night after Thanksgiving Dinner, so I woke up at 6am and thought I would check out gfy?

I glanced at the alexa rankings for aff a few weeks ago (I cant pull alexa up right now) and imo it did not appear to have changed recently, the trend looked consistent from the end of last year

I try to stay out of threads like this but thought I would make the above points, with all due respect


Corvette, you need to re-check those alexa numbers, because the reality is different from what you are thinking.

Recent numbers show a drop in overall rank, and upwards to 25% drop in reach (pages per million).

As for "give AFF a break, it's thanksgiving", we have been waiting for reponses on these issues for a while now, it ain't the turkey (at least not the edible kind) that is keeping them from the boards. The only time Lars or Sagi has come here to discuss this was to try to tar and feather Will and clickcash... otherwise their entire game plan has been to avoid the subject and keep their contest threads bumped, even if they need fake nick low post count people to do it.

corvette 11-24-2006 08:07 AM

i still cant pull up alexa so im going off of memory, but i dont disagree that there is a 25% drop from one month to another, but when i looked, i though that drop started before this year, and was pretty consistant...

i was not talking about a response to any overlying issue, just about a response to this thread...i am in, or close to the same timezone as lars and the thread was started after midnight the day after thanksgiving and i checked it at 6

RawAlex 11-24-2006 08:09 AM

Okay, Alexa came back:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...iendfinder.com

3 month rank 67, current 85 (same for the week average)... 25% drop

3 month reach: 9565 current 7600, about a 21% drop.

Considering that reach peaked out around 14,000 or so, 7600 is a pretty major drop off. Just as importantly, looking at the reach graph, you can see the drop off relative to Zango here and people indicating that they are removing AFF.

Actions = reactions.

scottybuzz 11-24-2006 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NetDomainia (Post 11383237)
popcorn anyone?



















sig spotting...........




:thumbsup working hard there net

wjxxx 11-24-2006 08:19 AM

see sig :mad:


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