Legal types please pay attention SCAM ALERT !!!
 

Tia Ling aka bcdjudo7 is a SCAM artist !

I was just scammed today by Tia Ling,

As of Friday, May 25, 2007 I had received a US money order to the amount of $ 175.00; such being half the amount $ 350.00 USD for a SEO job... This was agreed on and when I was finished that I would receive the other half... I was good with that !

The website was to be SEO ed and I quoted her on 7 Hours at $ 50.00 USD per hour to do her website http://www.povauditions.com/. She agreed !

Even though I told here I would not start until I received payment she starting talking about other projects that she wanted me to do... So even before receiving her payment I began work on the SEO project...

When I had a close look at her html code I found that It was a complete mess and for me to do a professional SEO job I would need to redo her index page... Now I told here I would do this at no charge, because I had already quoted here $ 350.00 and I wanted to be fair... So since it was not costing her anything but some time just to look at the example index page that I had re done for her and spent 8 - 10 hours on... she sent me several fucking emails telling me she had changed her mind ! Ok... I understand now she does not want me to do work for her... Ok I can handle that !!!

She tells me in a email to take $ 50.00 USD from the US money order and to send back the rest...

Now she owes me at least 3 hours such being $ 150.00 USD for keyword research.

Now the 13 or 14 emails that I had sent to her was between 20 minutes to an hour each as to explain technical details on why I was doing what I was and she lead me on until Friday, May 25, 2007 and up to that point she was fine with my service or at least that is how she came across to me !

So I checked the mail box and found here AIR MAIL ed envelope with a US money order to the amount of $ 175.00 USD so I finally thought I would get paid... So I made my way over to Money Mart as to cash the money order. I explained that I had done some work for such and that I would like to cash it and I was told they could not cash it because they did not have a phone number to put into their system and I was told to get such information...

When I had explained to Money Mart that I had to return some of the funds sent to me by her, they told me that they were having problems with scams that went the very same way as what I was explaining... that this was a very likely scam...

Now I went home and started to look around her websites because I needed to get her contact info... such being a phone number and street address and I found everything pointed to a PO box... So I thought as to look at here 2257 records because by law she is to maintain such... and what I found was here 2257 records with a custodian or records pointing to a fucking PO box !!! ... This is illegal and someone need to take legal action !

So I continued further to find that even her DNS information did not even have a proper street address !

So requiring contact information as to cash her money order, I continue...

I find her domain name is through Godaddy.com . The whois information stated that this domain was prohibited from renewal !!! Then I looked down further to find out that the domain that she was trying get me to SEO would expire on: 2007-07-17 !!!

Now why hire a person to do SEO work if the website is prohibited from renewal and the expiry date is 2007-07-17 ?????

So now I have a very likely fraudulent money order in my position; so the only thing I can think of is to contact our local police and to lay a formal complaint and see if thy will take the fraudulent money order and do a criminal investigation. The issues of her 2257 record will be brought up !

I wrote VOID on the money order ! Just to make sure there was no further miss understandings !!!

The following domains are ran by the same people.

http://www.povauditions.com ( this was what I had to SEO )
http://welcum2dahood.com ( same site )

http://tialing.com ( Tia Ling's main website )

Tia Ling Myspace webpage: ( Her photograph and basic info. )

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ID=143 358458

CCbill, ISP and domain name register should be warned !


Since much of the pros in the industry networks here I am hoping someone will take up this good cause !

I did my best to warn the GFY members of this scam, please pass on the word !

Thanks for all of your time,

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Wow.. those sites are shitty. I was getting 404 errors all over those tours.. and she wants $24.95 on a join? I don't want to entertain what the members area might look like - you pay for access and get 404s in the member area. Hmmm...

Damn.. that sucks ass

dude your so far off base i dont even know where to begin..

first off ill start with the end things your mentioning..

the godaddy thing you mention about the domain being prohibited for renewal .. wrong.. it just means prohibited to transfer. theres no such thing as prohibiting a domain from renewing as far as i know.

Lots of people renew there domains yearly whats the problem.

No model in her right mind is going to put her fucking street address on her dns servers, what planet are you on dude ?

Everything you did you got ass backwards..

Even money mart confused you heh, they thought you were falling for a nigerian money order scam.

you did some seo work , you made some bad choices, perhaps so did tia, live and learn , the rest of the attack is meaningless.

dont work before the money is in the bank and an agreement is agreed upon or else you were wrong to start, im not saying you didnt do the work , but obviously you started before you got paid.. now you trying to charge a third the price for "keyword research " ?

moral of the story , make sure both parties understand the agreement and moneys are paid before you start doing work. that goes for both parties

SmokeyTheBear I was not off base... I was made to believe one thing and she did another... Perhaps you should look at the actual DNS info before going on as you do... the 2257 record that points to the custodian or records must have a physical street address where the actual records are kept ! Not a PO box furthermore Instead of writing a check and or money order from their company, she sends me a personal money order.

Yes I started before I received payment, however that does not mean that my service is free... I acted on good faith... have you ever done so ???

Lets get something straight here SmokeyTheBear, we had a mutual agreement via email and I had received a money order, however I could not cash it due to Money Mart stating they could not do so and they indicated to me it is most likely a scam !

What a fucking retard!
 

This is Tia Ling. This guy is so full of shit I don't know where to begin. First off, I asked him to do seo. So, what does he do, tries to redesign my front index page with all kinds of crazy stuff. I told him i wanted the index page with the same design. Then , on top of that, his design was absolutely terrible. It was here, http://www.prismvod.com/tia_ling/tia.html, but of course he took down the evidence because he didn't want anyone to see his shitty work. As far as the domain, I bought that domain from sinclair on this site, he's a friend and will vouch for me, we just haven't transferred it yet , waiting for him to do that. The money order. This retard claims I sent him a fradulent money order which is rediculous. I bought the money order from chase manhatten bank , so unless they've started selling fake money orders, I'm not sure what he's talking about. I use a po box for obvious reasons, being that i'm an adult model, I don't want some psychopath on my doorstep asking for a bj, so if you can't figure that out you're dumber than I thought. I would have paid thru epass, paypal , credit card , or any other way but you insisted on a mo or cashiers check. In fact, I asked to talk to this joker by im or phone, he refuses stating he prefers email. This should have been a dead give away! Aside from the fact that the info he was spouting was actually conflicting with what google said you should do to seo. He made no sense and constantly contradicted himself. Still, i wanted to be professional, so I simply said that I didn't think this was going to work out, and that he could keep 50 or so for his hourly rate that he said it took him to do the redesign that i didn't even ask for and that he said he wasn't going to charge me for. He then flipped out on his rant about me sending a fradulent mo. How the hell do you send a fradulent mo anyway?? I'm a porn girl, not a money launderer? Geese! I can post the email that states, he hadn't even started working on seo or seo key word research yet, and had only worked on this retarded design that I didn't ask for. And sharphead, if you're getting 404 warnings it's the first I 've heard of it. I check my sites everyday and never get a warning. So , I don't know what you're talking about. So, all this retard has to do is send me my money back if he can't cash it and I'll epassporte him a reasonable amount, for doing nothing than making some front index page that I didn't ask for. I wish you could all check it out, it looked terrible. DO NOT HIRE This joker, he's clueless!!!! If you would like to check on our integrity about paying without fraud, lol, you can check with sinclair or you can also check with hollywood, who we have just retained to do seo instead and work on our sites. What a jackass you are Dude! Tia

By the way, if anyone doubts my statement , or has questions, feel free to contact me at [email protected]. I'll answer any questions you have about this retard. tia

By the way, if anyone doubts my statement , or has questions, feel free to contact me at [email protected]. I'll answer any questions you have about this retard. tia

none of which is your business nor is it ours nor does anyone here care.
so what ?

i have done that before , thats why i dont do it anymore lol

maybe you should rethink your agreements, initially you said you looked at the site and AGREED to 7 hours .. then you RELOOKED at the page and decided that there should be a new agreement , this is going to make ANYONE worried.

if you took your car into the shop and they told you its going to take 7 hours , then later they change their mind and tell you your whole car needs to be fixed. ( regardless of the cost ) you certainly wouldnt trust the mechanic.. what other suprises are they gonna have.

no what they told you was to get a phone number , then you could cash it.. they were merely WARNING you that it COULD be a scam because you told them you had to send some of the money back ( this is a KEY indicator of a nigerian money scam )

tia told you to cash the money order and send her back part of it.. if you couldnt cash the money order she cant get her money ( btw she cant cancel the money order so she is out whatever the money order cost )

like i said the lesson here is dont do work until your paid #1 , and #2 dont change your agreements , it makes people worried

dont worry i think everyone with half a brain can figure out the guy was just confused, you did nothing wrong.

only thing i can suggest you do in the future is when someone starts changing their agreement with you , make sure they fully understand you cant continue unless a new agreement is written and agreed upon.

p.s. in order to really properly do your seo , your index page is very important o its no suprise he wanted to really change it around.

i cant blame him for that . everything else he was wrong about though lol.

lol This thread is a mess. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Tia my only recommendation would be to possibly think about having someone that does tours that convert redo your site. If its converting as it is leave it be. Content looks great, so you would probably increase revenue a lot with a bit of help. Feel free to email me or icq me if you need any help.

And btw Smokey is 100% right on this lol.

Thanks smokey,

That's why I wanted everyone to see the page. I understand you need to change , but he wanted to put my picture up in the corner to endorse site and stuff like that. Things that have nothing to do with seo . It looked rediculous. When I'm ready for a redesign , I'll get one, lol, just wanted seo. The text he added was like, 2 sentences i think. And, on top of that, the grammar and spelling was terrible. It was just bad all the way around. Didn't have to be like this , though. We could have come to an agreement without him calling me out. That's ok, though. Thanks! Tia

you have an icq #?

bcdjudo7 is full of SHIT !!! --- Be warned !
 

Look all... if you want to get scammed by bcdjudo7 go right ahead...

She never asked for my phone number, for what I could remember, and she could have used a company name with its address, but she did not !, instead she used a personal money order with a fucking PO box. If this is not considered a bit shady then I don't know what is...

I did however say that I did want to communicate through email, since the subject matter of SEO is complex and was being requested by her.

There are many scams online that send away money order(s) and or check(s) and request some of the funds back... such is done normally with stolen credit cards etc ... to buy money orders and to send away for products and or services... Since the credit cards and or their numbers can be stolen; the financial institution who issues such checks and or money orders do not know that a crime had taken place... Now when payment is received by the company and or individual who is selling a product and or service; a partial payment is request back to the sender because the payment most times goes over the amount that the product and or service goes for; when the funds are sent back, as required, the sender just pockets the stolen money ... Saying that someone else sent such and therefore such must be legal... and the person who cashed the check and or money order is held accountable with the individual who are involved with such a scam, however, Like the person I am indicating is committing fraud, there is not contact information for the financial institutions as to get back their lost; and both the receiver and the financial institution are at a loss.. Also going into a financial institution with what is considered by them to be a fraudulent looking check and or money order looks very bad !!! especially when you cannot even provide a proper street address or a contact phone number...

This is why Money Mart and other financial institutions require contact information.

Depending you your local laws you may work under your own name for a very short time then you must get a business license etc... Since she has been conducting her business for a fair amount of time I am wondering why she is hiding her company name why she is not making it available... If this is not suspicious then what is ???

Also by US law the 2257 record keeping law states that the custodian or records MUST indicate the actual street address of the appropriate records being held ... what this person or people are doing is against US law !!! and needs to get reported... as I am...

Now ask yourself why does this person not have a company name and address anywhere within their websites and in their domain name register 's records.. Is it just too just too much work ??? also I did find a company name using a whois service and found a number, however when I did a check online this number seemed not to be in order... Also the initials of this company were swapped around making me wonder ! ... Even the street address of this company looks fake...

Yes I created a new index for her as I was told "to do what every you feel necessary" ... Yes she indicated that she liked the same layout but her whole fucking index page was graphics will little actual text... I stated the keywords must be located within the body of the index page as for them to be relevant !

The index page that I had created for her was at no cost to her so I don't now what the fuck she is complaining about ! ( that is 8 - 10 hours of free work just to pleas her )

Now if your all so fucking dense that you feel this is not the case then go right ahead and let yourself get scammed...

I did my part as to warn GFY members since I feel no one should have to put up with her BS.

I want to make it clear that I will never get paid for many hours of actual work !!!

Also I have waisted far too much time on this retard who can't understand anything explained to her as to have any energy as to keep making posts in this thread ... Now if someone who does not have their head up their ass would like to ask me a question ... I will always have the energy, however I will not keep on repeating myself ... If you are so desperate as to take her on as a client then you are asking for problems...

PS.

My background is in private sector security and I have a fair amount of contacts.


Be warned,

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I want my 5 mins back

Is that a threat of some sort?

You come in here making accusations that your posts do not back up. You probably voided a perfectly valid money order and then you finish it with a threat..


lololololololol.....


Another Saturday on GFY. Thanx for the entertainment :thumbsup

I use a PO Box for my mail, does this mean I run scams?

sarettah I don't make threats... It's bad for business... Are you looking to get investigated by the FBI ... Push me...

Sicone if you where the one sending a check and or money order would you go out of your way to hide the required contact information as to cash such ?

Would you break US law on the 2257 record keeping law ???

You're an idiot!
 

What a moron! First of all, here's my icq, just got it set up. 461374009. Everyone here knows this guy is a complete fucktard, but I'm going to make a few statements anyway. As I said, I would've been more than happy to fix this in an amicable manor. Any moron can figure out that I have nothing to gain by sending a fake mo? Anyone, and I mean anyone, who would like to see a copy of my money order stub, I will gladly send you copy to shut this retard up. I'll even send you one moron! Many people use a po box in this industry, however, you are right that it's supposed to be a physical address. However, until i get an address that is not my home to use, than a po box will be there. Going to change to an address that i house my records at shortly , but it's not my residence . No model would do that.

Yes, I told you to do what you needed to do for seo, however, i was very clear about the fact that I did not want the design changed at the moment. Just wanted seo. Plus, I didn't like your ideas for design. Nothing personal, but it's not what i wanted.

Also, a money order is considered a legal document itself you fucktard! What's the difference if it's in a personal name or a business name. You pay cash for it either way. Yes, i have a corp set up, however, I was closer to a different bank and had the cash on me. So sue me for paying for a money order at a bank that i don't have an account at jackass. Neither one of us will get our money back. Private sector, please? You're the most clueless person I've ever dealt with, that's why i decided to cancel services. If you spent 8 hrs redoing my front index page, that's your problem. I never asked for that. And the design with the keywords and text were awful. A 15 yo could have done a better job. If it took you 8-10 hrs to do that, then you have serious issues my friend! Anyone could have done that page within 2 hrs max !

You want to have the fbi investigate me, that's fine, they'll find out that the money order is legit, that I am a valid business with an S corp, if you even know what that is, and you'll look like a fool. They'll also see that i have a valid address on my 2257 . You might want to check out my other thread, http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/736658-balalsubturfyoog-scam-artist-seo-guy.html, mentioned your tech their and basically, well , let's just say people don't agree with your seo . I've already hired someone else, so, I dont think anyones going to listen to your bs. You want to keep running your mouth, go ahead. Keep making threats. In the end , you could have avoided all of this by simply :

1. Doing what i asked for and paid for!

2. Instead of throwing a fit like a little sissy when i decided to go elsewhere,you could have emailed me something sensible. If you would have said, let's call it even at 100, I would have just said fine. You don't even deserve that for what you did.

Now what do you have? Nothing! I have no money back either! It's called professionalism! Regardless of what you think, you need to learn what that is. I was actually relieved when I found out you couldn't cash it, because I thought I was just out the money. Atleast now, I know you are, too. I'm done ranting. As I said , anyone who would like to see a copy of the money order stub, I'd gladly fax you one. As for you Balal, you need to grow the hell up!

Sticky, I'll icq you, would love to hear suggestions. thanks,

tia

No, I dont hde my info.. in fact on my checks is my PO box, my phone number and Ca issued License number. On my registrar info for all my sites, it has my PO Box as well.

However, on my my 2257 info, it does list a physical address of where the records are kept.

bcdjudo7 you used me !

Thanks sicone, I was not trying to be smart with you...

Go for it assfuck. Do your best. You have me shivering in your boots.



lolololol.... What a total tard you really are.



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ALL THE BALLERS USE MONEY MART


What a fucking joke.

I try not to argue with people whos IQ is under 50 ... It is degrading !

Thanks for keeping this post alive... I could not do so without you.

Thanks again,

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps she runs her business out of her home and thats why she doesn't put a physical address for psycho's like you to go find her and stalk her because you were too retarded to communicate with her and resolve this peacefully and quietly? .....

Drama.... :1orglaugh

http://myspace-039.vo.llnwd.net/0070...04308039_m.jpg

wow, are you high dude? you are really coming off the fool here... do you really expect anyone to want to use the services of someone who would come to the fora spouting such gibberish? you ruined a perfectly good money order, it sounds like the person at your check cashing place was about as dumb as you are..

Don't know much about 2257 do you?

Yeah i do but she's a model and it is not unreasonable for her to use a P.O. Box for now. Of course she needs a physical address but would you put your home address up on your site? . I'm sure the gov't will allow her reasonable time to get a physical address. But that's not the point. For all we know he is spiteful because she dropped his SEO services and has cashed the M.O. and is using this board to rant his spitefullness while lying to us.

Her failure to follow 2257 laws doesn't affect Balalsubturfyooj at all.

No, you dont.

A PO Box may not be used, and I wouldnt count on a understanding agent or judge. And yes, I do list my home address on my sites for the custodian of record.

If she is so worried about putting her home address, then she can rent a small office and use that address.

but you are right, that really isnt the point of the thread.... I'll let them continue

I would assume your a guy and would have nothing to worry about putting your home address up there under the 2257 but for a female model is a little different. Anyways a lawyer can speak on her behalf if the Gov't so happened to call her on it about the physical address and most likely would give her a couple of days or something to get a physical address like a small office or storage space. Unless of course said judge or agent is hell bent on putting her out of business because of moral or personal issues.

But like I said that is not the point. He is spiteful and wants to get her in trouble on purpose when it could of been handled another way. I chat with her in email all the time and she always replies to me unless she is busy. He is itchy and wants a email back right away. He probably didn't email her or if he did didn't give her reasonable time to reply back. She could of been out of town for all we know and didn't have a computer with her.

Yeah, hard for you to keep up with them eh?






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The issue of the 2257 is my business because that was a requirement of the index page. And US law is VERY strict regarding the 2257 ! If a "actor" cannot follow the required US federal laws then do you think she or they will have any interest in what I have to say, and or to request ???

My conclusion is both reasonable and probable to think she scammed me.

I have to talk to the police regarding this issue on Monday, most likely they will take the money order from me and do a investigation and or at least log the fact that there was an attempted scam... Also they most likely will forward information for the FBI to review... I am not saying they will do anything however they will have the information on hand. The FBI deals with federal issues...

Would you like to see a picture of the voided money order ???

For a retarded monkey it would probably be reasonable.






No, probably not even then.


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Not even a picture of wookies could make this thread any funnier.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9461/wookiesoi5.jpg

Oh wait, it did! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

you wasted $1000 dollars worth of time taking the time to write the posts in this thread. quit while you're ahead and go seo something that is going to work for you. this thread will be forgotten in 30 seconds. people on here still work with each other no matter what anyhow, warned or not.

i just wasted 2.50 writing this post as well. :(

the retard continues
 

I see this jackass hasn't figured anything out yet. You'd think me stating that I'll show the money order receipt to anyone who'd like to see it would shut any person with any sense up, but I guess not. If I could scan the fuckin' thing and post here I would! However, let me end the 2257 issue. Yes, I know the law, however, as lars stated, the simple fact is I'm not leaving my home address to put myself and my family at risk. I did house my records at an outside address and now have a physical address uses for my 2257. I uses you???? For what??? A half assed, half complete index page that looks rediculous with no seo on it??? What exactly did i get out of this except losing $175? I'll tell you what , for those of you who didn't check out my other thread about this fucktard, I'll let you read some of his seo techniques.

1. Site maps are not necessary on the front index page unless you're using sub domains
2. There's no point in seo'ing anything other than the index page unless you're using subdomains. So, his technique is to not do anything to the tour pages?

What do you all think of these theories??? Since google states much the opposite, esp regarding site maps, that was a huge flag that this moron didn't have a clue. Anyway, as I said before, if you'd like to turn the perfectly good mo in to the police, great! Then they can tell you what an idiot you are , as well. You are the only person that thinks I scammed you . The only one that got scammed was me. And it was my own fault for hiring you, knowone else. however, I wasn' t going to continue once I realized what I was dealing with. I'm the one that lost 175, the fact that you didn't get to cash it is funny to me, but that's it. poetic justice some would say! Plus, I'll let you in on a little secret moron. Many models use po box's for their address, however, most of them put down the actual street address of the post office instead. yes, this is also illegal, however, our situation is a little different. Luckily, i have an outside address that i can house my stuff at without paying for office space. You're thanking people for keeping thread alive? Most of them are ripping you , you fool! Unbelievable! Well, i'm off to have some fun , blow off some steam! Have a great weekend everyone!!!

tia