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GITZINGER 09-11-2007 08:09 AM

A good day to reflect that Bush has killed more Americans in a war.......
 
....that had nothing to do with 9/11, than Osama Bin Laden did ON 9/11.

Our President is a bigger terrorist to American citizens than the terrorists themselves.

Those are the facts and they are undisputable.

:helpme:error

Blue Player 09-11-2007 08:20 AM

George Bush is the worlds largest terrorist and that is undisputable.

tranza 09-11-2007 08:32 AM

Oh boy.... Here we go again.....

Sexxxy Sites 09-11-2007 08:55 AM

What is indisputable is your lack of insight.

Angie77 09-11-2007 08:56 AM

I hate political posts on this forum. It gets ugly!

tony286 09-11-2007 09:00 AM

Your right and bin laden is still free, why do the right wingers not have a problem with that.

GITZINGER 09-11-2007 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites (Post 13071617)
What is indisputable is your lack of insight.

Feel free to enlighten us on yours....


You cannot argue my first post here, but feel free to make any and all excuses you can.

[ScreaM] 09-11-2007 09:03 AM

Bush is a genius.

Extreme John 09-11-2007 09:22 AM

It's still till this very day amazing to me that they cant find this fucking retard, simple fact is in my opinion they dont want to.

teomaxxx 09-11-2007 09:46 AM

Its sad, he rather listened to his oil/conservative friends, instead of thinking a bit.
Imagine, how 0.5 trilions of dollars (which are the current direct costs of war and non-direct costs are estimated much higher then this), could made this world much safer, if it was dedicated to energy efficiency and savings. Even lesser costs of oil, would shut up all those guys like Chavez, Putin and Ahmadinezad. And US would be much wealthier (so we at EU too).

D 09-11-2007 10:00 AM

Yep.

It's a shame the way it went down.

So much American support - we were all on the bus - right until he took that Left turn into Iraq...

Those of us who cared to have a window seat (and so many people didn't) were like "umm... why are we going THIS way? The bad guys are THAT way..."

And it's been a disheartening matter ever since, imho.

StuartD 09-11-2007 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 13071925)
Its sad, he rather listened to his oil/conservative friends, instead of thinking a bit.

Most politicians are heavily influenced by their oil/energy friends, and other huge "contributors" that have the $$. The level of influence tends to vary for the most part depending on the president....

but consider this. Bush IS the oil/energy friends.

Imagine the big "influences" suddenly becoming the ones with the actual power, to control as they see fit. Hell, they could jack up prices by 30-40 cents per gallon with virtually any excuse like say.... "regular maintenance."

And what would those oil/energy friends (who are now in power) like more than to control some of the largest sources of oil in the world?? What do you think they'd do to get it?

ServerGenius 09-11-2007 10:25 AM

the one people in control are the ones who pay :2 cents:

yo!! 09-11-2007 10:32 AM

yo... "we have all the guns and money" and no matter what the leader of the free world does he or she is going to be hated by a certain percentage.

pornguy 09-11-2007 10:34 AM

Most people are influenced by MONEY. and thats what its all about.

seeric 09-11-2007 11:01 AM

agreed.......

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-11-2007 11:15 AM

There is a guy in Iraq that buries the unknown dead. Daily.

During Saddams reign he would bury about 40 people a month.

During the begining of the Iraq war he buried up to 2000 a month a couple months in a row, these days he buries about 60 Unknown dead a month.

Unknown dead being people whose bodies are not claimed or identifiable.

I am not going to dispute how retarded Bush is, that can easily be agreed on, however the Iraqi's are killing each other far more than Americans are killing them.

To this day I am still pissed about 911, I still do not think America has killed enough Islamic extremists, I think Iraq may have been a mistake but at the same time it has brought many Islamic extremists into Iraq where they are truly slaughtered.

Islamic Extremism is the problem and many extremists have gone to Iraq like flies to shit, our soldiers clear them out daily with ease. I for one am glad they are there killing them mother fuckers, and I do hope they keep killing them.

America has a kill ratio of about 200 to 1 if not more. That 200 to 1 figure is not civilian death, or innocent deaths. They are verified insurgent kills.

No war in the history of the world has had better ratio's with exception to possibly the Spartans 3 day battle with Xerxes.

donnie 09-11-2007 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13072439)
There is a guy in Iraq that buries the unknown dead. Daily.

During Saddams reign he would bury about 40 people a month.

During the begining of the Iraq war he buried up to 2000 a month a couple months in a row, these days he buries about 60 Unknown dead a month.

Unknown dead being people whose bodies are not claimed or identifiable.

I am not going to dispute how retarded Bush is, that can easily be agreed on, however the Iraqi's are killing each other far more than Americans are killing them.

To this day I am still pissed about 911, I still do not think America has killed enough Islamic extremists, I think Iraq may have been a mistake but at the same time it has brought many Islamic extremists into Iraq where they are truly slaughtered.

Islamic Extremism is the problem and many extremists have gone to Iraq like flies to shit, our soldiers clear them out daily with ease. I for one am glad they are there killing them mother fuckers, and I do hope they keep killing them.

America has a kill ratio of about 200 to 1 if not more. That 200 to 1 figure is not civilian death, or innocent deaths. They are verified insurgent kills.

No war in the history of the world has had better ratio's with exception to possibly the Spartans 3 day battle with Xerxes.

Aren?t you the guy that used to work as a fluffer in gay movies? Why don?t you let smarter people discuss things like this?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-11-2007 11:33 AM

LOL, kids...

mikeyddddd 09-11-2007 11:45 AM

Nobody hates George Bush and his failed policies more than I do, but today is the day to remember the innocent people killed in a senseless attack and grieve along with their survivors.

Dubya and his cronies will eventually pay for their leadership failures and illegal activities.

Vendzilla 09-11-2007 11:56 AM

But anything would be better than Hillary in 08, she'll pull out the troops, let Iran take over Iraq and then cut off our oil supply. I figure we should finish the job we started so that the troops that died didn't do so for nothing!

Just a little fact that the press doesn't tell you
The military does keep a breakdown of deaths due to accidents, disease, or other non-combat reasons. In the 1980's this was usually around 2000 per year. In the 1990's, this number fell to under 1000 per year. Much of this was due to the fact that the total size of the military shrank when the Cold War ended.

http://fred08.com

Brother Bilo 09-11-2007 12:53 PM

How is Bush a terrorist? I mean, I know it's cool these days to bag on the president, but is he leading the troops that are there right now? Is he making the day to day decisions that are happening right now. Did make all those people join the military?

No.

The reason why so many US serviceman are being injured and killed over there is because their hands are tied. This could of easily been over and done with by now and all they would of had to do is give the commanding officers the ability to do what they know works. Even following the Geneva convention, this could of been done and over. If you think that I'm wrong, ask someone who was, or still is, over there. They'll tell you.

flashfire 09-11-2007 12:54 PM

the way he said it is wrong but you cant dispute the facts

teomaxxx 09-11-2007 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 13072634)
But anything would be better than Hillary in 08, she'll pull out the troops, let Iran take over Iraq and then cut off our oil supply. I figure we should finish the job we started so that the troops that died didn't do so for nothing!
http://fred08.com

the other thing is, no army from democratic country is ever able to finish this job. But I agree that withdrawn in this situation would be really stupid, since Iran, Saudi Arabi, Turkey and in lesser extent Syria would come to Irak to protect their own interests = even bigger civil war then its now. Which would mean interruption of Iraq oil supply and really sky high oil prices. The only inteligent withdrawn is only possible by cooperation with these three countries.
Everyone, who read a book from T.Friedman about Lebanon civil war, (he got a Pullitzer price for it) knew how Iraq war will end up, before it started even.

mistergardener 09-11-2007 01:58 PM

Not again...

GITZINGER 09-11-2007 05:12 PM

This video of Cheney from 1994ish saying that they couldn't go into Iraq cause they couldn't get out, really speaks volumes now....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-...elated&search=


They knew the risks and decided to go in anyway. Even tho' Iraq had nothing to do with the war on Terror.

halfpint 09-11-2007 05:25 PM

Dont know if anybody watched 9/11 Fahrenheit in the uk, It was a documentary on 9/11 and what suprised me is that Bush and his father has or did have business deals with the Bin Ladin Family in Saudi. Which Osama is from as he is Saudi Arabian and does not originate from Afganistan

Brother Bilo 09-11-2007 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 13074098)
Dont know if anybody watched 9/11 Fahrenheit in the uk, It was a documentary on 9/11 and what suprised me is that Bush and his father has or did have business deals with the Bin Ladin Family in Saudi. Which Osama is from as he is Saudi Arabian and does not originate from Afganistan

The Bin Ladin family aren't all terrorists though. He doesn't even speak to his family last I heard.

halfpint 09-11-2007 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Bilo (Post 13074118)
The Bin Ladin family aren't all terrorists though. He doesn't even speak to his family last I heard.

Yes they have suposedly broken all links with him but from what the documentry was saying about bush, he is deff has a shady past with his military and his bussines ties with the Arab world before he became president due to his father, Was also suprised to see footage of the one of taliban leaders in America meeting his father, It kinda seems weird that your enemys were once all your freinds

halfpint 09-11-2007 06:00 PM

The other thing that got me to, was when the first plane hit the tower, Bush was at a childrens school, One of his advisers or security guys walked in and wispered in Bushes ear about what has happend, so what does he do..he just carrys on sitting there with a kinda of puzzled look and starts reading a book to the children almost as if he did not know what to do, surely if something disastress is happening in a country and the president is in a classroom you dont just carry on sitting there..

theking 09-11-2007 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GITZINGER (Post 13074060)
This video of Cheney from 1994ish saying that they couldn't go into Iraq cause they couldn't get out, really speaks volumes now....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-...elated&search=


They knew the risks and decided to go in anyway. Even tho' Iraq had nothing to do with the war on Terror.

Pigshit. As someone has already posted...you do not possess insight. The invasion of Iraq has everything to do with the war on "terror".

bobby666 09-12-2007 02:08 AM

well spoken!

Azoy? 09-12-2007 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Extreme John (Post 13071761)
It's still till this very day amazing to me that they cant find this fucking retard, simple fact is in my opinion they dont want to.

Yah with all hat technology and all that billions of dollars Bin Laden is laughing at them by hiding in mountains and riding on a donkey.
Wonder they didn't find him yet.
As far as Bush goes, I can't wait till he's out of office and out of possibly doing more damage to the American reputation worldwide.
Seems everyone worldwide felt sorry for the United Stated but after Bush's moves seems everyone hates the US now.

BlueDesignStudios 09-12-2007 05:08 AM

this thread could go on for a while...

GITZINGER 09-12-2007 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 13075015)
Pigshit. As someone has already posted...you do not possess insight. The invasion of Iraq has everything to do with the war on "terror".

Um, ok, so the administration has admitted there was no connection between Iraq and OBL. You must have some top secret information that the terrorist we call the president does not possess?

:1orglaugh

theking 09-12-2007 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GITZINGER (Post 13076033)
Um, ok, so the administration has admitted there was no connection between Iraq and OBL. You must have some top secret information that the terrorist we call the president does not possess?

:1orglaugh

I said that the invasion of Iraq has everything to do with the war on "terror". I did not say that there was a connection between OBL and Iraq...now did I?

The Duck 09-12-2007 07:04 AM

You guys are all sheep and the NWO is your shepherd.

uno 09-12-2007 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D (Post 13072009)
Yep.

It's a shame the way it went down.

So much American support - we were all on the bus - right until he took that Left turn into Iraq...

Those of us who cared to have a window seat (and so many people didn't) were like "umm... why are we going THIS way? The bad guys are THAT way..."

And it's been a disheartening matter ever since, imho.

I think he took a right turn into iraq. :2 cents:

uno 09-12-2007 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 13072634)
But anything would be better than Hillary in 08, she'll pull out the troops, let Iran take over Iraq and then cut off our oil supply. I figure we should finish the job we started so that the troops that died didn't do so for nothing!

Just a little fact that the press doesn't tell you
The military does keep a breakdown of deaths due to accidents, disease, or other non-combat reasons. In the 1980's this was usually around 2000 per year. In the 1990's, this number fell to under 1000 per year. Much of this was due to the fact that the total size of the military shrank when the Cold War ended.

http://fred08.com

How many have died so far in the 2000's?

Ripshit 09-12-2007 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GITZINGER (Post 13071644)
You cannot argue my first post here, but feel free to make any and all excuses you can.

I can argue with it simply because I wholeheartedly believe9/11 was an inside job


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