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I guess Obama's lost the south now...
"Bitter"... no.. but the whole "... cling to guns or religion... "... that's most of the US he basically slammed..
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its true what he said, your job was sent offshore, your losing your house and the cc companies raise your rate from 12 to 25 just because they feel like it. Those people arent bitter thats funny.
He responded https://youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow&feature=user |
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The truth doesn't matter.. Facts don't matter.. All that matters is whether or not you can win the election...[/QUOTE] |
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i thought the swiss have the most guns per citizen.
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Do you even follow politics in your own country? The base of the republicans for Bush was the religious right and they were the ones that were "energized" to vote him into office. While true that the end result is questionable, it's still a fact that they're the ones that propelled him to have the votes that he needed.. |
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But stats can be twisted however one wants to make the point they want. |
I cant wait to see how they cheat Obama out of this one. Its going to be fucking entertaining to say the least.
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I don't think he was trivilializing it at all. He was saying that people don't vote based on economic issues because they feel the government won't do shit. That they put their energy into some fringe social issues because they know the corrupt government won't change anything.
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The reality is that the guy hasn't been around that long so there isn't that much dirt and both McCain and Clinton are desperate to find anything that they can on him. |
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I'd love to see Obama win and actually make real changes.. But I really don't see either one happening... Even if he does happen to pull it off and win, his presidency just won't get much done.. He hasn't gotten much done prior to it and because of the history making aspect of his presidency he's going spend a lot of time on photo ops etc. What's sort of "sad" is that Hillary is slammed for doing "anything to win" and yet that's exactly what's needed.. Not just to win the election in November, but also to lead and change the country. Look at it this way.. By his statement "I" believe he doesn't respect our bitterness or our religious or gun toting beliefs... Now convince me I'm wrong in 20 seconds.. Cause that's what it's going to come down to come election time. |
Like the white south was gonna vote for him in the first place.
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1) credit card companies dont just arbitrarily raise rates (double them) "just because they feel like it" .... only a moron would make a remark like that to make a point about broader economic issues. 2) jobs offshore? its a global economy. adapt or die. you can't subsidize buggy whips just because you are losing to cars. the choice is to remain competitive or lose. end of story. 3) losing their houses? really? did something happen that they didn't agree to in a massively long contract and process that takes days to go through? God forbid the United States of America look to free markets and the ingenuity of people to solve problems.... and please... please... lets not hold individuals accountable for buying homes they couldn't afford and the fact that no one feels they can live without absurd amounts of debt. :2 cents: |
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Hillary: 1,459,814 Obama: 1,358,785 A lot of the southern states were quite close like that... |
It's not as if those people were going to vote for Obama (or any democrat) anyways.
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The people he just offended (supposedly) aren't going to vote for Hillary in November either. The Dems don't have a prayer in Texas and most southern states. Southern states with large black populations might be close if Obama is the nominee, but by and large the dems lost the south when they passed the civil rights act in 1965, and that's not going to change for at least one more generation. :2 cents: |
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http://www.creditbloggers.com/2008/0...aack-bank.html |
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Here's an idea. read the contract you sign. think about it and what it means more than you are thinking about how you can spend money that isn't yours and that you didn't earn.
be responsible. don't be in debt. don't take out loans you can't pay back. accept responsibility for the debts you have... stop looking to government to be your keeper. stop looking to government to parent your children. stop looking to government for everything. this country has became a nation of helpless, crybaby pussies.. and while assholes refuse to accept responsibility for the decisions they make... the people that have their shit together pay the lions share of taxes to support their irresponsible behavior. whats worse than that, is you have a black nazi telling everyone what they want to hear, that government will take care of them, that life's just not fair, that they don't have to be responsible for their actions and decisions and he's become a rock star for it. the fucking democratic party lost 2 elections just because they couldn't put forward an electable candidate... now we have a communist idiot turned rock star and a vile, pathalogical lying cunt who both want to tax people into oblivion on one side and a wishy washy idiot on the other side whose only claim to fame is getting shot down in vietnam, getting sent to a prison camp and being a republican that acts like a democrat. i've given up. seriously. the rest of the world is right about this country and the direction its headed. its over. i've accepted it. i'm moving back out of the country. what a shame. an economic and military powerhouse - turned into a broke, unpopular nation of helpless, whiny pussies with bad attitudes about the rest of the world. being a leader used to be about communicating a vision for the future. now its about a mad race of telling helpless idiots that their new caretaker is Washington D.C. and how the evil rich guy who actually busted his ass to build something is going to pay for it all. fuck that. |
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this country wasn't built on socialism... it was built on the principles of a free market economy. i kinda agree with you in that people have unrealistic expectations... that with success comes risk... with risk comes losses etc. i understand that people are incapable of thinking about "the good of the whole" vs "the good of me and my shiny new wheels" and thats a problem that will never go away. my issue in all of this is the constant reinforcement of the idea that the individual is never anything but a victim and government is there to pick up the pieces for them. i am tired of the constant pandering to these people. people in this country these days go through life like a 1/2 retarded 10 year old. |
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The middle class in America was built on manufacturing jobs. These were jobs that anyone with a high school diploma could get, work for several years and start making enough money to buy a house, have a few kids and live a decent middle class life. Those jobs are now going offshore. Why pay some dude $20 an hour when you can pay some guy in a third world country .50 cents an hour and you don't have to pay him overtime, give him benefits or provide a safe work environment? This leaves all these people that build their lives around these manufacturing jobs to adapt or die. They basically have two options. They can get another job which most likely will be paying them less or they can go back to school and learn to do something else. I guess they could get into a company and try to work their way up too. I saw the other day on the news that most of the new jobs being created in the US are in the service and retail industry. They said the reason for this is that 70% of our economy is now based on consumer spending. We don't make anything to sell to other people/countries anymore, we make most of our money because our people spend their money on a bunch of shit they don't need. When they stop doing that we are in trouble. Since these are the only industries that are booming (meaning sales/retail and service waiters, gardener etc) most of the new jobs are in those lower paying worlds. Even many of our higher paying tech jobs are going out of the country. Big companies are moving offshore where labor, even very skilled labor, is very cheap. Without some kind of help it will be harder and harder to keep good paying jobs in this country. It isn't impossible, it is just getting harder and harder. I agree that people should work to remain competitive, but our economy is changing and with the globalization of the labor force it is getting harder and harder for our workers to get jobs where they make a good living. Remaining competitive is one thing, but you can't compete against certain things. I don't look to the government to subsidize insdustries and just give them money to stay here, but maybe they should stop giving money to them when they move their jobs offshore and maybe they should help (in the form of tariffs or some kind of taxes) those that are staying here. Make it a little harder for companies to build a product offshore then sell it here. If you have ever been a third world shithole country something you will notice is that most of the people there make their living by either selling stuff to each other or by providing services to each other. With nothing being exported they have no outside money coming in so they just keep passing the same money back and forth. I fear we are quickly heading that way and the phrase will no longer be adapt or die, but just die. sorry for the long post |
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They are free to teach their kids that dinosaurs never existed. But don't go pushing that shit on my kids. |
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$30 billion to Bear Stearns. Billions more to broke investment firms who are giving us crap securities as collateral. I agree with everything you say about people being responsible for their mortgages and everything they sign. I think they should deal with the consequences of their poor decisions. But the only ones in this country who are whining and getting bailed out are the folks on Wall Street. Not the middle class home owners. |
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Wait a sec, African Americans don't have churches, guns and are not bitter?
Oooooppssssss. |
I am not sure why anyone is surprised. It has been obvious for some time that Obama is a left-wing, Ivy League elitist who firmly believes the unwashed masses would joyfully embrace socialism if they only understood their own best interests. Pretty much a typical Democrat.
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I know it's probably just another politican, but something when he talks makes you think that he's not another politican. I can't really explain it, but somehow he conveys hope and change. |
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